LI FILE ON MARGIN IS 80 STATUS: ENTER ONLY NUMBER OF LINES: 609 1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask... 2 ********************** REMOVED: 28 AUG 84 ******************************* 3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator 4 ************************************************************************* 5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION 6 PLACED ON THIS SYSTEM. 7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privately owned 8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public. 9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. As the system is 10 privately owned, I retain the right to remove any and all messages which 11 I may find offensive. Because of the limited size of the system, it will be 12 *** I AM THE MONITOR *** 13 14 ENTER mode. The message is automatically stored. If after entering the 15 message you find you made a mistake, use the replace command to replace 16 the line. To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up. 17 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system. 18 ************************************************************ 19 20 Ah, good, the dreamers have wandered off, and the arguers are back. 21 Read the a&b disks yesterday, but they were full so I couldn't slip 22 in any snide comments, and now it seems that both are gone, and a new 23 one has taken their place. ?What has passed by in between? 24 25 It wasn't the telephone system in Hawaii that died from the Bikini 26 tests, it was the streetlights. EMP may be able to zap solidstate 27 electronics directly, but the major effect is to cause huge induced 28 surges on the power lines. Anything attached to the AC power lines 29 can be zapped by EMP, or it can be connected to any long wires at all, 30 like aboveground phone lines. CB antennas are too short to worry about, 31 if it gets this, you're dead anyway from the blast. 32 As to how it works, a nuke above the atmosphere sends out a lot of ions 33 and electrons, which travel at different speeds, and when they hit the 34 ionosphere (heavyside layer) push it around. This large moving charge is 35 called electrical current, and creates a magnetic pulse. The wavelength 36 is long, but the pulse is fast, so high freqs exist. A big nuke has a 37 very sharp, powerful, but not very long ranging effect by itself, but 38 this is of interest only to heavily shielded military installations 39 because only they are around long enough to care. The high burst is 40 probably able to zap most of the US's power systems, and take out just 41 about anything connected to it on the way. The phone system would go, 42 too, because it is powered from AC. (Surge proctection is already in 43 the phone lines because of lightning, etc., and the smaller wire used 44 offers some attenuation, but don't be holding a phone during a nuclear 45 attack.) Even if your equipment is shielded, it will get it from the AC 46 line. Battery powered things are probably safe, unless connected to long 47 wires. 48 49 I also like the "none of the above", especially if it neans "never, ever 50 again." However NOTA is not enough, politics runs on power, not opinion, 51 so it is not an effective vote unless nearly a majority. 52 Casting a vote for a noncandidate may feel good, or even seem like a good 53 idea, but is ineffectual. It is a way of saying something, but like all 54 communication, what is said and what is heard is not always the same. 55 If the person to whom you are trying to say something can't understand 56 you, you aren't talking, you're babbling, and who listens to a babbling 57 idiot? You have to say your message so that it will be understood. 58 To a politico, this means you must vote for someone with some chance of 59 winning, or at least who will get a large portion of the vote. That is to 60 say, will have power. No one else counts. Don't let your pride get in 61 the way of your head. 62 63 Enough stale politics, here's another point to ponder, or even argue 64 about: in a society, many things an individual does affects others, so 65 it is correct for the society as a whole to declare rules about behavior. 66 The passage of information can both help and hurt citizens, so the means 67 of passing information must be controlled. Electronic bulletin boards, 68 like BWMS, or CBBS, are an especially dangerous example because they 69 are uncontrolled and fast. Laws should exist to properly regulate them, 70 and government agencies should be empowered to enforce these laws, lest 71 they be abused to the detriment of society. They may be so dangerous they 72 should be banned altogether. 73 .............................................B.A.D........................ 74 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?`? ? ?/ 75 IAN:it may seem that you have an unbeliever in your midst who does not think 76 that`exploding wires will erase mag-anything that isn't shealded. Shall wg 77 we`build? 78 Alex:The light bus has to go, I lit a candle near the prototype last night. 79 MiG 80 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/ 81 ^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^ 82 The reference was to the classical Rhetoricians statement to the 83 pure logician. If everything I say is a lie, then this is a lie also, 84 which means that everything I say cannot be a lie. That confouded 85 the logicians because they thought in terms of either or, and not 86 shades of gray. (or grey, if you prefer MiG) The correct solution 87 to that particular dilemma was the simple fact that that statement was 88 false, ie, not everything that I say is necessarily a lie. 89 90 I am, however, equivocating. The answer to your question is yes. Laz 91 believes everything he writes. If you have read Illusions, you will 92 remember a statement therein- 93 "Try to live your life so as to never be ashamed of anything that is 94 said or written about you, even if what is said or written is 95 not true." 96 97 On another subject- W O W ! ! ! Now that was a speech. 98 99 And our Democratic VP Candidate did not want to disclose her 100 financial position because: 101 A) She is rich, and the Demo's are supposed to hate the rich. 102 B) She owes a bundle in back taxes, which the Demo's are saying the 103 rich always get away with. 104 C) Her husband illegaly borrows money from estates he is supposed 105 to be disbursing honestly. 106 107 108 I would feel nervous about disclosure if I were her. 109 110 DA seems a little wierd. 111 112 Barry was a reference to Dave Barry, and a piece he did on arguing. 113 114 ^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$ Laissez-faire $^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^ 115 116 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 117 118 L'homme, 119 Well this lull was being called the " pause that refreshes " .....But 120 it seems to have become the " refreshless pause ". This low volume wallowing 121 has become a market habit recently. I still feel there are good prospects 122 for a rise in the not to distant future....provided it starts within the 123 next 60 days or so...after then the managers start looking at locking in their 124 profit before year end and are reluctant to provide any stimulus. Except in 125 the face of something overwhelming & unexpected. 126 My views on future economic prosperity......are colored by the almost 127 opaque tint of " DEFICIT ". We bought ourselves out of the recession and its 128 time we started paying for it !. Weather it takes the form of higher taxes 129 (YUCK), decreased spending or any of the more creative combinations, the 130 payments must start. Both parties seem to agree on that so at least the 131 first steps towards a solution have been taken. All that remains is what 132 form the repayment will take. It is interesting to note the encouragement 133 of foreign investment.....As Americans and residents we can only hold 134 government obligations in registered form....Foreign non-residents can hold 135 the same securitys in bearer form. This disconcerting double standard due to 136 take effect at the first of the year. I should note that currently there are 137 a few bills in congress to outlaw that policy....But back to the economy... 138 In total I feel the solution to the deficit is well within our power 139 to correct...and will be done so in the forseeable future. If I was to 140 characterize the single greatest threat to the economy it would be Third 141 World debt. That is a problem that defies a cheap solution !. 142 I know...I have heard all the jokes about repossesion and auctions... 143 but there has yet to be a solid move to address the growing problem. 144 As it stands now it is just a patchwork quilt of borrowing facilities, 145 debt reschedulement and interm financing. Even in some cases the suspension 146 of accruing interest...so that the lending institution won't be forced to 147 classify the loan ! ! . If you wanted a topic with a lot of facets this 148 would be it !. I have most of the pertinant datum around here....somewhere.... 149 As to who lent who how much and at what rate..if I remember correctly the 150 figures are astonishing somewhere in the 220-250 billion range...or as 151 percentage of the total assets of the 10 largest banks....25-35 %.... 152 at a rate of prime + 1/4 or libor + 1/2 to P+2 or L+3....even the repayment of 153 interest is staggering...............But I have rambled on long enough. 154 155 ::::::::::::::Alex:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 156 MiG, 157 Darn......That was such a unique feature...so simple to use...I guess 158 its BTTDB....::::::::::::::::::::::::::A:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 159 <+|+> {159} 08241412 160 *(%@#_)(%+*(%+@*%+!*#%+*!%*@_)#*%@)_*@#)_*%_)@#*%!)*%!#_)*%)_@#*%)_@*%)_@*%_ 161 Alex: I remember reading quite a bit about the foreign debt also. We can 162 thank coutries like Brazil and Poland for our misfortunes in the future. 163 While we in the US complain about double digit inflation of 10-12 percent, 164 other countries have TRIPLE digit inflation. One example is Israel, where 165 the current rate os somewhere over 200%! 166 It seems to me, with so much of world society banking on the 167 international money flow, a large country with a large debt like Brazil 168 could have a much more damaging effect on world economy than our "little" 169 debt here in the US. If foreign investements decline, and the large banks 170 who have billions in loans to countries like Brazil fail, economic 171 pandamonium will result. Easy solution? Like you said, there is none. It 172 will take many years of careful action to reduce the burden these 173 countries carry. It doesn't look like there is even a complicated way out. 174 I think the world has purchased an enormous debt. It's really scary. 175 The United States has long been considered the life boat of the world. 176 I think it is time to leave the area of the disaster, and try to care for 177 the occupants already on board. Foreign aid...Can we stop it? What about 178 our allies? Can we leave them out in the cold? But can we continue to 179 spend millions that we don't have? Somewhere there must exist an answer. 180 There must be a way to stop this death spiral of deficit spending. It 181 would be interesting to see what Reagan would do if he was elected. I have 182 heard it often said that it would be better to elect a President for one 183 six year term, with no chance of re-election. This would free the Prez 184 from worrying about losing votes by his actions. A one-shot pres. would 185 solve many of the problems associated with the re-election strain. While 186 Reagan is campaigning, who is running the country? Al Haig? People seem 187 to forget that while the president is out stirring up votes and giving 188 empassioned speaches, the country marches on. I worry about the day when 189 some crisis comes up, and the president striving for re-election is out 190 on some farm in Nebraska telling some farmer how his wheat and corn is 191 going to be worth more next year. They take precautions, but are they 192 enough? I wonder what would happen... Well enough of this. 193 As for Risk, anytime in the next few weekends is fine with me. If 194 you are sufficiently recovered from our last fest, then you set the date. 195 I am sure the rest of us can agree to that. 196 *%)#*%)@#*%)@#*%@)#&% L'homme sans parity *)#*)@#*%*%_(%_#*%@#_*%@#_*%@_#*%@ 197 _________________________________________________________________________ 198 DISTINCTIONS 199 200 A businessman is aggressive; a businesswomen is pushy. 201 He's careful about details; she's picky. 202 He's a stern taskmaster; she's difficult to work for. 203 He's forceful and charismatic; she's domineering. 204 He's efficient and competent; she's compulsive. 205 He follows through; she doens't know when to quit. 206 He isn't afraid to say what he thinks; she's opinionated. 207 He exercises authority; she's tyrannical. 208 He's strongwilled; she's stubborn. 209 He makes wise judgements; she reveals her prejudices. 210 He's prudent; she's obsessive. 211 He loses his temper because he's so involved in the job; she's bitchy. 212 He's depressed (or hung-over); she's moody, so it must be her time 213 of the month. 214 He's discrete; she's secretive. 215 He's shrewd; she's scheming. 216 He's outraged; she's hysterical. 217 He's articulate; she's gabby. 218 He's curious; she's nosey. 219 He's a man of the world; she's "been around". 220 He's absent minded; she's scatterbrained. 221 He's easygoing; she's frivolous. 222 He converses; she gossips. 223 He's concerned; she's emotionally involved. 224 He's touched; she `turns on the tears'. 225 He's thoughtful and considerate; she's oversensitive. 226 ____________________A WORD FROM THE WISE - PART XI_______________________ 227 228 Word from the wise-you were, I presume, being facetious. Nevertheless prt of 229 what you say is true,which is one reason we don't ned a woman VP. 230 RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY 231 Mig: So sorry, but I have GREAT difficulty believing that you get 232 a 200 mile kill radius from even a 200 Mton bomb. When things get a bit less 233 hectic, I'll dig out the handbooks & give a MINIMUM estimate for the 234 required blast. 235 I don't care to build the "mag pulse bomb" as I do NOT have access to 236 the required explosives. Neither do I have sufficient experience in handling 237 said explosives. (I also seem to recall that the BLAST effects went to about 238 10 feet! 239 240 L'homme: HELLO???? You didn't answer my question. DO I NEED TO FORMAT THE 241 DISKS?????????????? 242 Ian MacHinery 243 RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY 244 hey, what is this? I just called a number that was to have a computer 245 answer...this occured...but what is this? Who set this up and for what 246 purpose?? 247 248 exit 249 <+><+><+><+><+><+><+><+><+><+><+><+><+><+><+><+><+><+><+><+><+><+><+><+>> 250 HI ELRIC 251 252 THIS IS ASP. MY AGE IS 17 AND MY GRADE IS 12. I LIVE IN A PORT 253 LAND A BIG TOWN NORTH OF WILSONVILE. 254 255 I HAVE HAD SOME EXPERIENCE WITH D&D.I AM A SF READER BUT I HAVE A 256 LOUSEY END GAME,HOWRVER I AM TRYING TO GET BETTER. 257 SO, IF INTERISTED WHAT NEXT? I CHECK BWMS WHEN EVER I CAN GET ON 258 SO LONG FOR NOW. 259 260 261 262 ASP 263 264 PS.HOW IS STORMBRINGER DOING? 265 PPS.I WILL BE OUT OF TOWN MONDAY AND TEUSDAY,BUT I WILL BE ON BWMS 266 BEFFOR THAT.IF ON SOME SLIGHT CHANCE YOU DONT GET A CHANCE TO REPLY BE 267 FOR THEN I WILL TALK TO YOU ON WENSDAY. 268 269 270 <+>+<+>+<+>+<+>+<+>+<+>+<+>+<+>+<+>+<+>+<+>+<+>+<+>+<+>+<+>+<+>+<+>+<+> 271 272 273 274 ******************************************************************** 275 F FIN: My god! they actually upgraded something on one of those beasts?!! 276 I didn't think they even knew how the old stuff worked! 277 278 Mig: The first step is to make sure that your grounds are real grounds 279 like I said before. The next step is to put zero-inductance bidirectional 280 transzorbs on the lines. Since the little buggers cost $5 to $10 each 281 though, you might consider going with the poormans tranzorb, a zener 282 diode. A transzorb is just a speacial zener diode that uses silver 283 contacts and special doping to get fast response times. (under a pico 284 second - how much under, they aren't sure since the tranzorbs act faster 285 then the mesuring equipment.) Anyhow, a couple of zeners back to back 286 will do for most things. They worked quite well for me when I was putting 287 the afore mentioned computer back into shape. And 10cents is a whole bunch 288 cheaper then $10! then idea is to stop the vlotage spike on the line 289 before it hits the computer. There are limits to this of course, The 290 normal methode of failure for a zener is to short out which helps in 291 this case since if it was that bad, you would rather have to replace 292 the zener then the computer. But, if the zap is big enough to burn open 293 the zener, (we're talking wire melting power here) then it just kinda 294 melts into a little blubbering blob of chared sillycon. Luckily, about 295 the only thing that would be that strong, is ploping ac line power on 296 the beast, (assuming the fuses didn't blow first) or a direct hit by 297 lightning. The point here is that the zeners can stop lots of volts 298 from wasting your poor computer, but they can only go so far in the 299 amperage dept. Of course if your are paranoid, there are 10KW transzorbs 300 available, and they can be paralleled....... 301 ************************ CISTOP MIKEY ******************************* 302 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/ 303 IAN:What?!? a little explosives bother you? Actualy I was refering to the 304 much less dangerous technique where you explode a thin copper wire with gobs 305 of wats. No blasting involved. A great way to get loud radios on a tri-mess 306 bus to quit being loud. 307 Mikey-under a pico-second? I may invest for somethin like that when I 308 get equipment worth something. For now, the zeners at 15 volts trip feeding 309 a BIG SCR crowbar circuit is what I will use. 310 I forgot who it was, but someone suggested using some wierd 6809 311 configuration. I am using 6803 and 6805, not too much different except that 312 the 6803 has my serial port and my sound generator in it! and the software 313 re-writes would kill me. I guess I will just put the thing in a large wire 314 box when not in use. The 6805 system that is, the 6803 is trash. 315 MiG 316 317 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/ 318 Migguy. If you want, I will send you information on the 6809 kit I mn- 319 tioned. The only problem with this is heat. The 6809EMP gets hot when 320 used yhis way, but usually works OK if you use a copper heat sink under 321 the lead shielding. There is a ML program that comes with it, which auto- 322 matically switches CPU chips if the one being used should be damaged. 323 Brcause of the special configuration, when it switches, the DP register 324 becomes 'confused' and the CCR (1) reads overflow. This is easily corrected 325 by pokeing 0 into 65494, waiting a few seconds, and then resetting the 326 machine. The data will still be in the buffer, and can be recalled. Then 327 poke 0 into 65494 to return the SAM chip to normal speed (remember to 328 do this, or you will get I/O when you try to load to disc or print. Let 329 me know if you are interested. 330 jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj 331 Hi! I'm back. I doubt if I'll make PorSFiS tommorow because 332 I have to help somebody move. It seems as if everything has decayed 333 into an argument on EMP. Well, have a great evening and I'll see 334 you all in the dreamscapes. (Except, of course, for MiG because he's 335 a vampire and only sleeps in the day.) 336 The Ninja 337 jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj 338 What? Migguy is a vampire? Fascinating. My grandfather was a vampire. 339 Untill he crash landed on a picket fence. 340 COLECOVISION FOR SALE! 341 5 CARTRIDGES:ZAXXON, DONKEY KONG, DONKEY KONG JR. 342 VENTURE, AND TURBO PLUS STEERING MODULE. 343 LIKE NEW!!! $250.00 OR BEST OFFER. 344 CONTACT JASON AT 285-xxxx, ASK FOR JASON. 345 ***************************************** 346 347 /S 348 SAVE 349 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/ 350 UNKNOWNGUY:I AM PLANNING ON GETTING A COCO WHEN RS APPROVES MY CREDIT RATING 351 TILL THEN I AM STILL USING THE 6805 TERMINAL. THE 6809 STUFF DOES SOUND 352 INTERESTING, BUT ONE COMES TO AN IMPASS RATHER QUICKLY. I.E. YOU DON'T KNOW 353 WHO I AM, AND I THE SAME FOR YOU. BOTH ARE UNWILLING TO TELL THE OTHER. 354 DO YOU KNOW SOMEONE ELSE ON BACKWATER WHO WE CAN USE FOR A TRANSFER? 355 NINJA:I THOUGHT I HID IT BETTER THEN THAT. OH WELL, WHEN HIGH-SCHOOL COMES 356 AROUND SEPTEMBER 5TH. I MUST LEARN LIGHT TOLLERENCE. BY THE WAY, THE LITTLE 357 TM DISCUSSION YOU STARTED ON C.S.F. HAS GROWN A LOT, BUT WILL BE CLEARED 358 SOON DUE TO CARL DOING AS YET SOMETHING UNKNOWN TO THE SYSTEM. 359 PERHAPS YOU COULD DOWNLOAD IT? 360 MIG 361 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/ 362 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 363 YOU EMP GUYS, A PULSE WILL DO WONDERS TO INCREASE THE POWER LINE VOLTAGE, BU 364 T THE INDUCED LINE CURRENT WILL ONLY CLIMB TO THE LINE RATING AND SOMEWHAT 365 ABOVE DUE TO THE LOADING EFFECTS OF THE LINE, AND LINE SWITCHES. FURTHER, 366 THE VOLTAGE CAN ONLY RISE SO HIGH, UNTIL IT WILL ARC OVER THE INSULATORS TO 367 GROUND. THE EFFECT CREATED IS ON THE ORDER OF A BIG STATIC DISCHARGE, PULSE 368 OR NOT. IN FACT, SINCE IT IS A SHORT DURATION PULSE, THE LINE CAPACITANCE ON 369 LONG LINES(YES, THATS CAPACITANCE) MAY ABSORB IT. IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN THE OS 370 CILLOSCOPE TRACE OF A SQUARE WAVE HITTING A CAPACITOR , YOU WILL GET THE 371 IDEA. ELECTRICIAL POWER IS STRANGE, SAY DIRECT CURRENT AND NOBODY CARES, SAY 372 FREQUENCY, OR PULSE AND PEOPLE THINK YOU HAVE THE HOTTEST THING SINCE TESLA. 373 ++++++++++++ AS FOR THE DEFICIT, THE INTERESTING THING IS THAT IT IS ALL 374 MONEY THAT WE AMERICANS OWE TO OURSELVES. IF WE WENT BANKRUPT, WOULD WE SUE 375 OURSELVES? (DONT ANSWER THAT) . TO THE PERSON WHO TALKED ABOUT A 6 YEAR TERM 376 , IF THAT WERE THE TERM THEN THE INCUMBENT WOULD STILL BE OUT CAMPAIGNING 377 WITH JUST AS MUCH ENERGY, ONLY THEY WOULD BE CAMPAIGNING FOR THEIR PARTY, 378 NOT FOR THEMSELVES. +++++++++++++++ 379 ON FOREIGN BANKING, EVENTUALLY, THE PATCHWORK QUILT WILL CONSISTS OF STRANDS 380 ALONG WHICH NO MONEY FLOWS, AS EVERYONE STOPS PAYMENT ON PRINCIPLE OR 381 INTEREST, THIS IS ALREADY HAPPENING, AND THEN THE GREAT "CRASH" WILL EXIST 382 ON PAPER ONLY. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++0000001TED++++++++++++++++++++++ 383 0001TED- part of what you say is accurate, but is irrelevant to the issue 384 which is that the EMP is a serious problem. If one large hydrogen bomb 385 is detonated from a satellite a hundred miles above the Earths surface 386 the resultant EMP causes disruption of communications. OK- not everything 387 is affected. But-some damage will occur to unprotected equipment. If SOME 388 communication is interrupted, the result could be a total nuclear exch 389 between the USSR and the US. For example: Many countries now have satelites 390 (if you want a list, I have one). There are a numbe of nations that have 391 the proverbial bomb. Ergo, one radical group, one remote detonated bomb 392 from a satellite, and we have potential chaos. There is an article in, 393 I believe, Scientific American, (and other articles elsewhere) that 394 that theorize that such a single detonation would cause serious disrup- 395 tion to communications over much of the northern heisphere. If ANY dis 396 ruption in communication between us and 'the russians' were to occur at 397 such a time, the potential result could be all out war. Maybe it wouldn't 398 happen. Maybe it would. The point is that it COULD happen. That is why 399 the EMP is such a big deal. You are partly right in your statement about 400 what it is. A nuclear explosion causes countless trllions of electrons 401 to be 'knocked' out of the outer shell of the atoms /molecules of what 402 makes up the atmosphere: Nitrogen, Oxygen, water vapor, trace gasses 403 (Xenon, Argon, etc). These electrons tend to form 'lines' parallel to 404 the magnetic flux lines of the Earths magnetic field, and 'condense' on 405 any conducting material. Antennas, eg. which causes a surge of current 406 (which is, of course the flow of electrons) that can overload the input 407 circuits such as RF Amplifiers, Oscillator/mixer stges,even the IF stages 408 or the detector. The result is obvious. The EMP is a serious problem for 409 two nations who are always ready to fight, but don't want to since they 410 both lose. 411 A square wave 'hitting' a capacitor? Do you mean th result of capacitace 412 applied to the output of a square wave generator? The result could be 413 a sawtooth wave, or whatever, depending on the amount of capacitance, 414 and the time constant, and other factors. Could you be more vague? 415 Migguy- I didn't say we didn't know each other, and I didn't say I would 416 not tell you who I am. You said that. If you do buy a COCO, you might 417 consider buying an older one, and not the COCO II. Try to find one with 418 an "F" board. It has several advantages. For one, you can use the 'high 419 speed poke which causes the SAM chip to run from 1.5 to 3 times faster. 420 (Put a GOOD heat sink on it). This runs your programs that much faster. 421 Also, using a disc drive is less expensive. Also, dn't buy any R.S. soft 422 ware. Check into 80+, Bee Color in Aloha, etc. PS The 6809EMP is upward 423 compatible, so programs written for other 6800 series CPU's should run 424 100% (at least machine language programs). If you'll tell me how to acss 425 the NERD, I'll tell you more. PPS, I DO know who you are. Star date EDEN 426 152. Har de har har, and nyaah nyah (etc) 427 //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// 428 With slow, deliberate steps I moved towards the multi-bladed beast which 429 would thrust me into the vast blue heavens that smiled generously on the sun- 430 drenched earth. Alas, neither warmth of sun nor gentle caress of summer breeze 431 could ease torment of a sorrow laden soul. 432 Glorious dreams 433 crumbled to dust, 434 and iron-clad schemes 435 riddled by rust 436 437 Two men with wits fleet 438 and once full of life 439 lie dead at my feet, 440 blood on my knife 441 442 Twisted visions of might 443 and a craving for power 444 will smother all light - 445 enter the darkest hour. 446 447 I snapped out of the trance and found myself on the helicopter. I had climbed 448 aboard and we had lifted off without my realizing it. My mind was absorbed by the 449 problems I had created for myself. Now I was headed for the one place that 450 could save me--spiritual contentment to be found only at the largest religious 451 festival in the world. I think the place was called RAINdeer. 452