From: TREE BEARD To: RUFUS Subject: rap music Date & Time: 06/14/90 01:09:21 Message Number 5901 >2 Live Crew's music make people want to steal wallets. There some people who you might want to meet. They say that T back swim suits cause insest. I know you were kidding but there are some ignorant people out there. (Yes, that is a partial quote from the Sarasota Herald... Weirdness is invading this fair land. Tree =========== From: TREE BEARD To: BEATLE Subject: reruns Date & Time: 06/14/90 01:13:57 Message Number 5902 I'll wait for the "Ropers" to get out on video... Then I'll have a 4 hours jam packed Roper mania party... Pop tart anyone? Tree =========== From: TREE BEARD To: BEATLE Subject: weighted 4.2 Date & Time: 06/14/90 01:18:37 Message Number 5903 Seems like I have to ask everyone to get off the phone... Even when I live by myself... Sarasota telephone lines... yek Tree =========== From: TREE BEARD To: TURTLE Subject: beam me up Date & Time: 06/14/90 01:22:03 Message Number 5904 I agree.. watching baseball on tv is boring! I would rather watch "Perry Mason" reruns all day long. Now, going to a game is different. The fans are interesting to watch! Tree One cold dog and a warm beer please. =========== From: TREE BEARD To: TURTLE Subject: rap music Date & Time: 06/14/90 01:24:36 Message Number 5905 Probably Lawrenc Welk's bubbling medalies... (SP?) Tree =========== From: SPE11WIND To: BEATLE Subject: reruns Date & Time: 06/14/90 04:57:02 Message Number 5906 A re1ative heard it was being rep1aced!!!!!!!!!!by FAMI1Y TIES they're g0ing t0 have fam.ties, gr0w.pains, kateNa11ie, and 3s c0mpany between 5-7. DAMN! there g0es an0ther h0ur 0f my viewing... =========== From: SPE11WIND To: TREE BEARD Subject: beam me up Date & Time: 06/14/90 05:01:10 Message Number 5907 w0u1dn't the air g0 back t0 rep1ace thespace where the ship just 1eft? =========== From: SPE11WIND To: TREE BEARD Subject: reruns Date & Time: 06/14/90 05:02:36 Message Number 5908 4 h0urs 0n wrest1ing night because the wrest1ing sh0w is 2 hrs 10ng. =========== From: SPE11WIND To: TREE BEARD Subject: weighted 4.2 Date & Time: 06/14/90 05:05:06 Message Number 5910 Saras0ta everything... yek! =========== From: THRUD To: TURTLE Subject: Play Ball! Date & Time: 06/14/90 05:57:03 Message Number 5911 "Married..." is ok, but my wife suspects I only watch it to see the little blond. My wife is very perceptive. The Met scored 43 runs in three games against the Cubs - THAT'S Entertainment. I like baseball on the tube because when nothings happening, I can read a book - ya only have to look up when the pitch of the announcers voice changes. I watch football so that I can learn new synonyms for "Smash". "Synonyms are my life" - Bull (Night Court) Maybe you should change the name of this area to TV guide - we need to discuss something philosopical like - . . "How many angels can swim in the head on a beer" TTTTTTThrud =========== From: DONTHEN To: BEATLE Subject: book Date & Time: 06/14/90 09:01:53 Message Number 5912 Hm. I really didn't like WHO CENSORED ROGER RABBIT very much at all. As a mystery it bit rocks, since the murderer isn't a character until the last few pages. The film isn't even loosely based on the book as far as I could tell; they just used three character names. Some of the ideas in the book were cute, but they were overshadowed by the fact that none of the characters in it were believable at all. The plot itself managed to be hackneyed, which is a considerable trick given the setting he used -- which wasn't nearly as interesting a setting as the movie's. And, the author had absolutely none of the subtlety present in the script. The Hollywood of his book was the Hollywood of 1970's California cop shows; the 1930's "film noir" setting worked much better. The concept of Toontown was something that Wolf (the author) probably didn't have the originality to come up with, yet the differences between the Toon world and reality -- with the undercurrents of racism -- formed one of the most interesting themes in the movie. "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" wasn't really a mystery at all, and it wasn't as racy as WHO CENSORED ROGER RABBIT wanted to be, but it was infinitely more complex. This was one of those rare cases where Hollywood's "trashing" of the original storyline turned out to be a very good thing indeed. =========== From: DONTHEN To: SPE11WIND Subject: Party??? Date & Time: 06/14/90 09:11:56 Message Number 5913 I'm not. "Promises" and "Double-Edged Tavern" were doing the best and "Ace of Spades" (which would have been renamed "Ace of Swords" for arcane reasons) was, evidently, too complex for most people to get a grip on. Since you're on your way to merrily overflowing the Tavern, telling people what they can and can't do, and once again expecting everyone to have memorized the several thousands of pages of notes you seem to have on your world instead of being willing to play along with the unexpected (and perhaps even silly), I'm going to try to bring back "Promises" in the form it evolved into during your long modem absence. You might have noticed that since you started strangling the Tavern with your typical huge-storyline-ignoring-everyone-else, working very hard at removing any possibility of character interaction, the level of posting there has dropped off dramatically. In fact, I'm the only one to post there in about two weeks and I get my character threatened by the "referee." I bet playing a normal RPG with you as dungeon master is pure hell. You can be an extremely creative person yourself, but you seem to have little or no tolerance for creativity on anyone else's part in your world. This is something you "risk" when you let people into your creations; if you keep stifling them, they won't come back. It's that simple. As I said on C. of C., have fun p1aying with y0urse1f, d00d. =========== From: RUFUS To: TREE BEARD Subject: rap music Date & Time: 06/14/90 10:52:12 Message Number 5914 You realize that T-backs cause sin. Why, I bet Satan himself designed these T-backs. Sin, lust, and animal sacrifices are all connected with T-backs. On another not, Rich Unger (owner of "Hot Flash" and pro- T backer) will be on Donahue[^-e] this Wednesday along with some other folks from Sarasota. I'm tempted to make a T-back out of the American flag. I'd love to see what kind of trouble I'd get into. =========== From: RUFUS To: THRUD Subject: Play Ball! Date & Time: 06/14/90 10:56:28 Message Number 5915 Every time I say baseball is boring, I usually get assualted with comments like "It's the great American pasttime, you must love it," or when I comment on the lack of action in the game I get "You must have a short attention span." Gads...baseball...yech...I prefer watching the local high school ladies teams play basketball. The occasional fight is wonderful. To bad my school doesn't have a basketball team, or any othe HS sports team for that matter. ...or a structure that could survive a wind storm. =========== From: TURTLE To: TREE BEARD Subject: beam me up Date & Time: 06/15/90 00:01:52 Message Number 5916 Exchanging the person for an equivalent volume on air on the planet's surface is a /really bad/ idea if the air on the planet's surface is toxic, of a different density as the air on the ship, contaminated with microorganisms, etc. Putting it in space is a better idea, but you still have the problem of what to do with all the excess energy the person has when he materializes on the planet's surface. Also, here's another problem: suppose it takes one second to materialize. On this planet, in one second any given point on the planet's surface will have moved about seventeen miles. So not only is the individual in question going to materialize with a few hundred thousand newton's worth of excess energy, he's going to materialize in a smear that's about seventeen miles long. Eww...yuck! =========== From: BEATLE To: TREE BEARD Subject: rap music Date & Time: 06/15/90 02:05:06 Message Number 5917 > "Saturday Night Live", and "Late Night"... Yeah! Those are definetely in my top five shows (which I really have never organized). Late Night is so weird and silly, I can't help but crack up. Things like "Show Us Your Photos Please" and visits from Terri Garr and Pheobe Cates are really great to watch... Saturday Night Live is pretty unpredictible. I'd love to see it live someday. =========== From: BEATLE To: DONTHEN Subject: book Date & Time: 06/15/90 02:11:37 Message Number 5918 Yes, I thought it was kind of rude to introduce the murderer at the end. Anyway, I have no idea why I seemed to really like the book. The idea of racism you mentioned from the film seemed to be presented in the book pretty clearly. The ideas in the book were quite strange. I can't think how you could live with someone[thing?] where you have to READ everything they say. The idea of doppelgangers appealed to me. Pretty practical idea, too. I was thinking if you reworked the story in the book, gave it a different ending (my idea would be to have the genie of the ending make Roger's doppel real, something I suspected might happen when the book went off into the kettle thing toward the end), and you might have an interesting sequel to make into a film. I don't know why I liked it, but the fact that the teakettle becomes more and more important (even though you figured it had no significance) was neat (to me)... =========== From: BEATLE To: RUFUS Subject: rap music Date & Time: 06/15/90 02:20:55 Message Number 5919 > ^-e To the power of negative e?? Interesting idea. What's the deal? > Make a T-back out of the American flag... That's a pretty good line. Something you expect from a political cartoon (or Dave Barry, maybe)... Why NOT do it? It'd get some of those politicians on your back, but that's about the only way you can get them to do anything, isn't it?? =========== From: BEATLE To: RUFUS Subject: Play Ball! Date & Time: 06/15/90 02:23:48 Message Number 5920 Hey, dude, I hate baseball also. I hate football, I hate basketball, I hate hockey, and I bet I hate lacrosse also. I can't STAND sports! I like watching them less than participating in them. I'd probably get slaughtered PLAYING football, but I'd die of boredom WATCHING it. =========== From: TREE BEARD To: SPE11WIND Subject: beam me up Date & Time: 06/15/90 04:31:09 Message Number 5921 Well, I was thinking that they would have to transpose whatevere atmo- sphere that the person who was beamed down displaced into space. Do to possible poisen in the atmosphere. Just mussing... Tree Hmmmmmm =========== From: TREE BEARD To: SPE11WIND Subject: reruns wrestle Date & Time: 06/15/90 04:33:28 Message Number 5922 Who's your favorite wrestler? (Or as my grandmother would say WRASTLER.. Pinned Tree =========== From: TREE BEARD To: SPE11WIND Subject: G-strings... Date & Time: 06/15/90 04:35:03 Message Number 5923 Yes, legally there will not be any in the state of Florida... It's a sad thought really, most of the people who wear G strings are not fashion models, and are quite funny to look at. I disagree with the goverment on princaple only, not because I believe that people should go about with there as hanging out. Barnett Bank had a mural done by a local artist, and it had a figure of some greek maybe David, anyway the figure is on all Sarasota County cars with them tags on it... Since I seem not to be able to think right now, Ill just get to the point. The artist covered the genitalia with a sea gull... as a joke, but also as a warning. People try and cover up things that they try and repress... Repression leads to violent acts and crazyness.. just look around, and you will see plenty of craziness. Tree =========== From: TREE BEARD To: SPE11WIND Subject: weighted 4.2 Date & Time: 06/15/90 04:43:29 Message Number 5924 Sarasota has one good thing... now if I can only think of it... Ohh yeah, Me. Just kidden, Sarasota has many good things. I just can't think of any. Tree =========== From: TREE BEARD To: RUFUS Subject: rap music Date & Time: 06/15/90 04:45:40 Message Number 5925 Make a T-back out of an American flag, burn it while wearing it,smoke some crack and run for mayor. (Get a few prostitutes to hang around too)... You might get elected... If not, you can always sell time shares Tree =========== From: TREE BEARD To: TURTLE Subject: beam me up Date & Time: 06/15/90 04:49:38 Message Number 5926 People glow when they materialize. Just let that excess energy form a positive charge, and the energy could go into earth... I got a B- in physics so Im an expert (Did better in chem, got an A) Anyway the seventeen mile long smear would not matter, cause this should not really work anyway. Unless, the computer kept track of were the person was supposed to be and kept pinpointing that spot, even if it moved. But if the planet wobbles a bit, then you might have feet here, arms there, ect. Eww....yuck again! =========== From: TREE BEARD To: BEATLE Subject: rap music Date & Time: 06/15/90 04:55:38 Message Number 5927 New York is definetly the place to be to see live Tv... and if you can't get in to the shows, just grab a bag of Nachos and watch the homeless die of exposure... The Big Apple...Not enough to go around. Tree =========== From: SPE11WIND To: TREE BEARD Subject: beam me up Date & Time: 06/15/90 05:04:03 Message Number 5928 I was ta1king time trave1 dip1acement. in that case, a pers0n/0bject C0u1d remetab01ize int0 s01id r0ck, because the s01id r0ck w0u1d return t0 where the pers0n/0bject just 1eft. =========== From: SPE11WIND To: TREE BEARD Subject: reruns wrestle Date & Time: 06/15/90 05:06:55 Message Number 5929 Mr. Perfect, Randy Savage, Earthquake, JYD, Sting, The Sam0ans, Kerry V0n Erich, and a few 0thers. Mr. Perfect's at the t0p 0f the 1ist. =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: Rap & T-backs Date & Time: 06/15/90 17:40:36 Message Number 5932 >Why NOT do it [make a T-back out of a flag]? It'd get some of those >politicians on your back, but that's about the only way you can get >them to do anything , isn't it?? Well, errr, yeah, but the thing you get them to do when they get on your back is throw you in jail. NOT helpful. ...if the purpose of a law punishable by a prison sentence is to protect the members of society from something (say, being murdered, or having their wallets taken), then what evil, nasty thing are you protecting society from by imprisoning a person whose breasts are not "covered by an entirely opaque material from the top of the nipple to the bottom of the breast"? =========== From: THRUD To: TURTLE Subject: BBS LIST Date & Time: 06/15/90 20:38:54 Message Number 5934 Do you have access to a Pinelas bbs list? =========== From: THRUD To: ALL Subject: slow day Date & Time: 06/15/90 20:42:16 Message Number 5935 Jeez, 14 hours between calls, and yall didn't post diddly. I might take up watching TV. Nah. No ball games on. Maybe I'll read some Tom Clancy. Just to let you know, twas a good las 24 hours. Did my accounting final last night - right on the A - B cusp, I hate to screw up my GPA, but I'm so damn glad to be through with that class, I'll take the B with a smile. THEN - I was working on the home of a golf club manufacturing executive (with about 200 clubs in his garage) and vollenteered to field test a few - and he GAVE me the sand wedge of my dreams. Oh happy day. Acme Thrud be gone. =========== From: TREE BEARD To: SPE11WIND Subject: reruns wrestle Date & Time: 06/16/90 01:50:01 Message Number 5936 Thats quite a list... The thing I hate about wrestling is comentater s.. they are so stupid! Tree =========== From: TREE BEARD To: TURTLE Subject: Rap & T-backs Date & Time: 06/16/90 01:52:51 Message Number 5937 >what evil, nasty thing are you protecting society from imprisoning a >person whose breasts are not "covered by an entirely opaque material >from the top of the nipple to the bottom of the breast"? They are trying to protect people from rape, insest, and bagels... (With double cream cheese) Thats what they will have you to believe! NEWS FLASH.... The Catholic Church has threatend catholic senators and crongress people with excomunication if the officials to not take an anti- abortion stance. There are similarities between the above. Both are trying to control our morality. This is not a function of goverment! (or should not be at least! Tree =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: SPE11WIND Subject: godtalk Date & Time: 06/16/90 02:16:14 Message Number 5938 >Ancient Sumer. Bef0re war. Before war it was called Survival of the Fittest. War is just selective breeding on a larger scale...If ya can't f*ck 'em, kill 'em. =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: DONTHEN Subject: Incidentally, Date & Time: 06/16/90 02:18:20 Message Number 5939 You're probably correct to a degree. I've installed AutoCAD v10 on a PC at work to use for some light design (and expand our limited present system) and I think I have been 're-installing' it for about six monthes. If I knew more about the software I would of known about setting LISPHEAP, LISPSTACK, ACADFREERAM, and stuff in AUTOEXEC.BAT and how to do extendedLisp functions and re-allocate RAM usage to optimize the graphics response, what TSR to allow, how to sub-divide the hard disk to keep drawing files from floating around with the operating system and a ton of other stuff I keep learning daily. I wish the software vendor knew as much as I do now, I would've spent my time working 'with', not 'on' AutoCAD......sssssSNAKEBYTE . . =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: RUFUS Subject: godtalk Date & Time: 06/16/90 02:23:34 Message Number 5940 And what do we get for our military $$$$$? A bunch of idle 'threats' that we had better not use that end up rusting away on some base in Alaska. And where would we be if that money were spent on constructive (as opposed to destructive) sciences???? Probable running 96,000,000baud modems hooked to our 1,000,000 gigabyte wrist-watch PC.!.!.!.! =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: TURTLE Subject: Money talks Date & Time: 06/16/90 02:27:10 Message Number 5941 Well spoken! I get NASA TECH BREIFS at work and some of the stuff that is NASA related is unbelievable. Without the militaries backing, NASA would most likely be lacking a lot of other things as well, like the Shuttle for instance. "Let's see, we'll build a ship that can carry a payload in space the size of a railroad car (or a spy satalite, or a laser weapon, or a missle detector, or a first wave strike launcher), and we'll use it to conduct science experiments (or weapons tests) and benifit mankind (or our military strength and power to push dem damn Russians outta offa the Earth). Hmmmmmm. Yeah, the government will back the shuttle."..... .....damn politics. =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: TURTLE Subject: Not FemTalk Date & Time: 06/16/90 02:34:46 Message Number 5942 I'm affraid someone did say being a parent was easy. Howie Madel said (after announcing his wive's pregnancy) "Hey don't clap. It's no big deal. I just fucked my wife". I'm not trying to advocate banning anything. If I had my choice of groups to squash out of existence, gays would be well below many others. I want to quote Sam Kineson about gays and AIDS, "Thanks for the black plague of the eighties, guys", but I know that isn't a good stance. I would rather quote Paul Rodreguez by saying "Sorry guys, but my ass is definitely an EXIT only". (sorry for the Comedy Club quotes...) I guess I'm just taking my stance that I don't aggree with it, so I formed an opinion on it. Just like I don't aggree with power-hungrey dicks with 30-06's blowing a deer's heart out at 1/2-mile away and calling it a sport, I've got an opinion on that too. Like any other parent, you tend to mold your children into your shoes, and right or wrong, all parents do it. I don't feel guilty about my opinions nor about wanting to guide my kids down the road I have driven. It seems to have been engraved in my personality to have the skin crawl up my arms and make me shudder to think about their attraction to each other. Then again, I've seen some women that would turn me off of females forever if I ever saw them naked........yuck You can do what you like, just don't do it around me and I won't throw-up on your shoes......otay???? =========== From: SPE11WIND To: TREE BEARD Subject: reruns wrestle Date & Time: 06/16/90 03:51:25 Message Number 5944 Y0u mean 1ike the WWF? Vic McMah0n is the rea1 0wner 0f the WWF, n0t Jack Tunney (Just s0me guy). I think he writes the dia10gue f0r them, especia11y Jesse Ventura. =========== From: SPE11WIND To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: godtalk Date & Time: 06/16/90 03:54:14 Message Number 5945 This was a time bef0re that. =========== From: SPE11WIND To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: Not FemTalk Date & Time: 06/16/90 03:57:43 Message Number 5946 If there are en0ugh trees 1eft in the united states in ab0ut 7 years t0 ba ca11ed a f0rest, I'm m0ving there. I hate civi1izati0n, (but whi1e I'm in it I'11 be ca11ing AR!). Watch f0r my BBS (as s00n as I get my keyb0ard fixed and get a j0b s0mewhere that'11 hire me). =========== From: SPE11WIND To: SPE11WIND Subject: reruns wrestle Date & Time: 06/16/90 04:03:21 Message Number 5947 I meant Vince =========== From: TREE BEARD To: SPE11WIND Subject: reruns wrestle Date & Time: 06/17/90 04:29:39 Message Number 5948 Yesm, like the WWF. Boring, repetitve dialoug (its 4:30 and I spell even worse this late!) with fake excitement. I think that the wrestlers can be quite proffesional and fun to watch, but they should can the talk, or at least have something more intelligable to say. much like me muk tike lee Poetree =========== From: TREE BEARD To: SPE11WIND Subject: godtalk Date & Time: 06/17/90 04:36:39 Message Number 5949 > This was a time bef0re that. Have I been lax? What does that mean? Tree =========== From: SPE11WIND To: TREE BEARD Subject: godtalk Date & Time: 06/17/90 04:55:46 Message Number 5950 Bef0re war g0ds inspired by war-10ving pe0p1es. Hangin' r0und the 01' firti1e crescent =========== From: TURTLE To: THRUD Subject: BBS LIST Date & Time: 06/17/90 15:34:02 Message Number 5951 >Do you have access to a Pinelas BBS list? Nope, 'fraid not. Don't even have any numbers for random single BBSes in Pinellas floating around... =========== From: TURTLE To: TREE BEARD Subject: Morality & You Date & Time: 06/17/90 15:43:10 Message Number 5952 >There are similarities between the above. Both are trying to >control our morality. This is not a function of our government! Depends on who you ask. According to fine, moral, upstanding citizens like Charles W. Keating Jr, it is very much a function of government. The honorable Mr. Keating appointed himself an "expert" on pornography (he was an expert, you see, on the grounds that he had talked to dozens of priests about the effects of pornography on children) and testafied in front of the Meese Commission on Pornography, during which time he said things like "It is common knowledge that masturbation causes physical and psychological problems and can lead to insanity," "I say, hell yes, legislate morality, and then enforce those laws!" "Pornography is destructive to the well-being of women and children," etc, etc, ad naseum. Six months later he was in front of a Congressional panel again, this time saying "On the advice of my attorney I have decided to excercise my Fifth Amendment rights" when asked about his role in virtually singlehandedly causing the collapse of over a dozen S&L institutions. Obviously, Mr. Keating, a bastion of moral righteousness who will shine on as a splendid role model for us all, never did really quite get the hang of the whole "morality" thing. I wonder if it bothers him that his actions were destructive to the well-being of investors in his S&L's, some of whom were presumably women and children... There is a problem with allowing someone else to dictate your morality-- does anyone /really/ think that Keating, or our illustrious governor, or any other politician (or anyone else for that matter) is a terribly fit guardian of the public morality? Any time anyone offers (or insists) to guide our moral behavior, I think it's time to take a long, hard look at that person and what he stands to gain from his selfless act. =========== From: TURTLE To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: NASA History Date & Time: 06/17/90 15:58:59 Message Number 5953 Speaking of politics, NASA, and the space shuttle: Are you familiar at all with the Dyna-Soar project started by NASA in the early 50's? The idea was to create a winged, single-stage-to-orbit, reusable vehicle that could ferry large quantities into space and return by landing on a conventional runway. The Dyna-Soar was part of a larger project that had a timeline something like: early space stations by the end of the 60's, permanently manned space stations and a moon shot by the end of the 70's, permanently manned moon bases by the 80's and 90's. The vehicles themselves would probably have ended up smaller than the current space shuttle, but they had a few advantages, like the fact that they were supposed to have on-board air-breating jet engines so they could land under power. The Dyna-Soar project was scrapped by Kennedy's declaration that "we will land a man on the moon by the end of the 60's." Well, we did, but I wonder what the world would be like now if the original plan had been stuck to. (assuming, of course, that the government could be persuaded to provide funding for that long, and that it didn't fall into any of a number of various political sandtraps, and so forth). Now, of course, we have moon rocks embedded in Lucite and a Tinker Toy space shuttle that just plain doesn't work as advertised, and frequently doesn't work at all. =========== From: TURTLE To: SPE11WIND Subject: godtalk Date & Time: 06/17/90 16:10:00 Message Number 5954 >>The time before Sumer was called Survival of the Fittest. >This was a time bef0re that. The time before the advent of survival of the fittest was, in fact, very quiet and peaceful, with no violence and no war...BECAUSE THERE WERE NO LIVING ORGANISMS. Survival of the fittest has been the rule of nature since the time of the first two amoebas. Contrary to what you may find in books written by radical femenists and nestled between scholarly works on the culture of Atlantis and descriptions of how crystal power can be made to synchronize with universal rythms in out-of-the-way New Age bookstores, there ain't ever been a human civilization of any size (with more than, say, 50 members or so) that's been entirely free of strife, violence, and other sun- shiny things. I know lots of people will claim that this or that ancient society that nobody's ever heard of was Utopian in every way, and then generally go on to add "...because it was organized around the political views that I happen to endorse," if you actually go back and look at the real evidence you'll be disappointed. Even Cro-Magnon man was prone to bashing his fellows upon the head with the jawbone of an ass. =========== From: RUFUS To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: godtalk Date & Time: 06/17/90 20:27:56 Message Number 5955 I've often wondered where we would be if all the money and man-power spent of military R&D was spent on say, medical research. It boggles the mind. =========== From: RUFUS To: ANYONE Subject: Saturday Date & Time: 06/17/90 20:35:31 Message Number 5956 A recent trip to Tampa on Saturday raised three questions that I have not been able to answer... 1) Would the film "Akira" been as good if it had been called, say "Bob?" 2) Will my parents get me anything similar to the SOL orbiting destructo death beam? If not, maybe a Harrier Jump Jet, and if not that, that really spiffy motorcycle. 3) Why in the hell did I drink about 8 glasses of water before returning to Sarasota? I'm sure Ken found ever bump on I-75. =========== From: BEATLE To: RUFUS Subject: Saturday Date & Time: 06/17/90 23:07:31 Message Number 5958 > Would the film "Akira" have been as good if it was called, say,"Bob"? Who knows? It could become a cult classic and end up on Jeopardy in the "Bobs and Roberts" category. Where will "Akira" fit in? "Japanese Film"? "Movies Shown in Tampa, FL in Converthed Theatres"? "Fluid Animation"? I think if we want these categories, we have to write to the producers. Then, we have to convince them that we DO have better things to do than suggest useless Jeopardy categories, and they hadn't occurred to us at that moment. =========== From: BEATLE To: RUFUS Subject: Saturday Date & Time: 06/17/90 23:12:30 Message Number 5959 Forgive me for messing up your quote... It should have been more like: > 1) Would the film "Akira" have been as successful if it had been > called, say, "Bob"? =========== From: RUFUS To: BEATLE Subject: Saturday Date & Time: 06/18/90 17:08:38 Message Number 5962 How dare you mess up my quote. You worthless slug spit in the gum stuck to the shoe of society. ...actually, I wouldn't have noticed it at all. =========== From: BEATLE To: ANYONE Subject: film Date & Time: 06/18/90 22:58:54 Message Number 5964 I seem to have an odd feeling that someone here used to be a projection person at a theatre. Or possibly, you might just know about it. Anyway, here's the question: When I went and saw Star Trek: The Motion Picture, the film was pretty good for a 12 year old print, but it had some sections at the start and end of the reels that were cut. Is this just because of age or the way the film was assembled? And second, the curtains of the theatre closed a couple times and the lights and projector varried. The manager explained to the 15 people who showed that they had a problem with "onboard cues" or something. I need more info, because I am kinda mixed up. I want long and detailed explainations. I can always use more strange facts. Who knows, maybe someday I'll become a projectionist and have to replace a spliced section of a kiddie cartoon with "Demon Lover". =========== From: KEN OBER To: ALL Subject: ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ Date & Time: 06/19/90 01:40:57 Message Number 5966 Gee, this clock is just a few seconds ahead of my watch -- Isn't that interesting? Which reminds me -- If every clock is different, how can anyone be on-time!? HHmmm -- On the subject of Time, travling it is impossible unless you are carrying an American Express and some Visa travler's checks -- Disney dollars also help, because they are accepted all over the word -- What we need are McDollars !! Which leads me to the fact that every 6-piece Chicken McNugget I have ordered /always/ had 6-pieces -- Don't these people ever screw up? WHat if all chickens fell off the face of the Earth? We'd have to eat Tofu McNeggets, doesn't sound good...What is tofu anyways? Sounds like a Japaneese name to me -- Which reminds me, Akira was pretty cool, but the ending was one of those deep-thought things that no American can make heads or tails of...Speaking of those endings, Total Recall was a total mind-fuck and needs to be banned from the face of the Earth until the producers decide if it was actually real or a dream... What if life is all a dream? It may be like the dream machine -- Just a big video game -- Like TRON except even better! Gee, TRON is a Basic Language command -- Basic isn't the best tho, but I hear GFA basic is cool -- It runs on the Amiga, which makes multitasking pretty easy, even when programming a Basic program...But I hear the PC/Z has better multitasking -- Maybe the Z-System should be made for the AMiga. Anyhoo -- That's why this message is in the Z-Sig! =========== From: RUFUS To: KEN OBER Subject: ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ Date & Time: 06/19/90 13:39:53 Message Number 5967 Ken, are you feeling all right? Too much Diet Caffeine Free Taste free Pepsi? Or maybe you needed sleep?! Tofu, besides being this white substance which can be coaxed into tasting like anything, is the sequal to Akira. Ya see, Akira had an affair with someone which resulted in an offspring named Tofu. =========== From: TURTLE To: RUFUS Subject: MilTalk Date & Time: 06/19/90 16:18:56 Message Number 5969 >I've often wondered where we would be if all the money and man-power >spent of military R&D was spent on, say, medical research. That's easy. We'd all have life expectancies of 150 years, the common cold would be about as common as typhoid, and a broken leg would be considered at most a minor inconvenience. On the other hand, nobody would program in Ada and we wouldn't have to sit through endless inane "Be All You Can Be (tm)" TV commercials, either ("When I dropped out of high school, I could barely figure out how to work a gumball machine, but now I'm responsible for designing the communications network for the entire eastern seaboard!"). I guess you gotta take the bad with the bad. =========== From: TURTLE To: RUFUS Subject: Saturday Date & Time: 06/19/90 16:26:11 Message Number 5971 "You worthless slug spit in the gum stuck to the shoe of society"... I like that. I'll have to put it in my list of Quotes I'm Dying To Use In The Course Of A Normal Conversation But Will Probably Never Get The Opportunity To Use...along with "It's my fault your mommie and daddy turned into monsters" (from Iczer One). =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: film Date & Time: 06/19/90 16:29:32 Message Number 5972 As a matter of fact, I used to be a projectionist at a theater, so maybe I can help. Cuts at the beginning and end of the reels are normal, since every time you put a movie up you splice the reel ends together and when you tear it down you cut off about 1 or 2 frames on each side of the splice. (When you wind the film back onto the shipping reels, you also splice reel protectors onto each end, so the next person who puts the film up cuts them off and loses another couple of frames.) As a general rule, a reel is no longer considered to be viewable if it's missing 5 or more frames at one splice, so a print generally makes it to about 5 theaters before it ends up at 99-cent houses and gets retired. The "cues" are small pieces of magnetic tape that the projectionist attaches to the print as he's putting it up to control things like the automatic shutter and (on newer projectors) the lens changer and sound system; the placement of the magnetic tape depends on the equipment being used by that theater, and in any event it's /supposed/ to be removed when the film is taken down (although as often as not a print will arrive at a theater with half a dozen little pieces of silver tape stuck to its edge). Also, some projectionists will use White-Out to mark the edge of the film where two reels are joined to make it easier to take down the film (when you're breaking it down, it's sometimes /real/ difficult to locate the ends of the reels), and the White-Out can confuse some projection equipment. =========== From: TURTLE To: KEN OBER Subject: ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ Date & Time: 06/19/90 16:40:32 Message Number 5973 >What is tofu, anyways? Bean curd. =========== From: KEN OBER To: TURTLE Subject: ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ Date & Time: 06/19/90 22:02:01 Message Number 5974 I don't believe it.....It is a plot by those damn foireigners to take away our all American beef fat! =========== From: RUFUS To: TURTLE Subject: Iczer One Date & Time: 06/19/90 22:39:56 Message Number 5975 I'm currently trying to pass a law requiring all females to be naked when operating anything capable of destroying entire city blocks with one mis-step. I figure it will cut down on the amount of females operating these things /and/ make for interesting viewing. =========== From: RUFUS To: TURTLE Subject: film Date & Time: 06/19/90 22:43:16 Message Number 5976 Your a Turtle chock full 'o information. Amazing stuff (really). =========== From: TREE BEARD To: TURTLE Subject: Morality & You Date & Time: 06/19/90 23:37:43 Message Number 5977 I agree completely. I just heard a story today. I do not know the validity, but I believe it to be true. A couple with a child visiting from Michigan came to visit Florida. They came to enjoy the beach. So the family went to the beach with their dog. The women got out of the car, and the dog jumped out. The man got out, holding a beer. The child got out throwing a frisbee. The women was also holding a Coca-Cola (in a glass bottle). They went onto the beach. A drive-by cruiser saw them get out of the car, then proceded to arrest the whole family. He then had their car towed and took them downtown and they were booked. Now granted, the arresting officer was young, inexperienced, and generaly behaving like many police do. The Sergant had to book them because they had already been arrested The family had to post bond, then get there car out of inpound (for 60$)... To me this is a horror story, and it looks like the wave of the future With road blocks becoming constitutional, and more morality laws being innacted, we may soon be in a police state. Pretty scary stuff. Tree beard =========== From: ANDREW To: ALL Subject: Hiya Date & Time: 06/20/90 09:48:07 Message Number 5979 I just thought Id say Aloha, this is my first time on this BBS it looks great so far... see ya Andrew =========== From: TURTLE To: RUFUS Subject: film Date & Time: 06/20/90 13:50:51 Message Number 5982 A Turtle chock full 'o information? Sounds like it has great marketing potential: Puzzled? Confused? Hopelessly adrift in a world where all seems vague and uncertain? Call Turtle Chock Full O' Information Services now. Fast, friendly responses to your most knotty questions. Here's a sample: Satisfied Customer: "How do I untie a Gordian knot?" Turtle: "Use your sword, of course!" Satisfied Customer: "Gee, thanks! I never would have thought of that!" That's Turtle Chock Full O' Information Services, Inc. Call Now! =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: RAVEN Subject: God... Date & Time: 06/20/90 15:44:01 Message Number 5983 Point taken! :> So, how've you been? It's safe to assume we haven't spoken in a while. My computer had a first class heart attack..... mother board bit rocks (Franklin, tm.). Anyhow....keep in touch! -The Lady In Black =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: film Date & Time: 06/21/90 17:28:30 Message Number 5987 Thanks for the answers... that really shed some light on the subject. BUT, why can't they take splice the reel ends off where the two ends meet? You don't really have to lose frames, do you?? Anyway, when Ken Ober and I are seeing Star Trek II at Litchfield with about 15 others, when it gets over, I suggested that we ask to see the projection booth. I think it will be an interesting and educational experience... great, now I sound like a high school teacher. =========== From: BEATLE To: TREE BEARD Subject: Morality & You Date & Time: 06/21/90 17:33:04 Message Number 5988 > Pretty scary stuff. Well, that may not have been the best way to deal with the beach situation, but when you are not supposed to have pets, glass, or alcohol on the beach and one family brings them ALL on the beach, something should be done. =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: SPE11WIND Subject: godtalk Date & Time: 06/21/90 19:27:42 Message Number 5989 ....gee Mr. Science, was that before they changed the water? =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: SPE11WIND Subject: Not FemTalk Date & Time: 06/21/90 19:29:04 Message Number 5990 Geeeeez, wish I could afford to set up a BBS...... Oh well, I can barely find the time to be a user, let alone a sysop. What kind of job are you lookin' for...I got a few 'connections' in the area. Hope you get your keyboard fixed before your hands get addicted to typing 1's and 0's instead of L's and O's.... I w0u1d 1ike t0 get a j0b at y0ur 10ve1y c0mapny as 10ng as y0u d0n't make me use the keys t0 the right 0f the 'I' and the 'K'... ....would make for a 'cute' resume.....see ya' =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: TURTLE Subject: NASA History Date & Time: 06/21/90 19:35:50 Message Number 5991 I have a relative that worked on the Titan missles and the division he worked for almost folded, until the Columbia oops. I think we'd be better off if we had a division on science and govenment kinda like what we've got between church and state. No taxes on space projects, free reign...etc. We could have Praise The Launch TV shows (PTL...haha) and raise more money then Uncle Sam has ever dropped into NASA's begging cup. Maybe if we got Russia and US to get along, we could dump a few bills into the space program that WEREN'T intended to used for military weapons shortly down the road.......three, two, one......uhhhhhh =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: RUFUS Subject: godtalk Date & Time: 06/21/90 19:41:14 Message Number 5992 Unfortunately, a lot of the medical research is under the control of ...businessmen. I have even heard rumors that if the doctors discovered a cure for cancer, the American Cancer Society would have them 'rubbed out' to keep their thousands of employees and millions of governemt dollars rolling in. Someone even suggested that a cure for cancer was discovered in the sixties, but it is too BIG a business now to let it out. I think about all the people that mighta died in the last few years to save the bottom line.......sh*t!!!!! =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: TURTLE Subject: HD Date & Time: 06/21/90 19:52:37 Message Number 5994 Okay Mr. Science, I need a little help. A computer at work woke up dead the other day and when we sent it out for service, they had replaced the hard disk (said the old one wasn't responding right and they didn't have the equipment to service it). They yanked out the old one a freind brought it back and gave it to me. It is a 40 mB, 977cyl, 5 head Magnetic Peripherals drive, P/N 40300. Yes for a PC compatable. I took it home at hooked it up to my power supply and the motor runs and when I hooked my cables up to it, the heads moved across the disk, waited, moved out to the parked(?) position and the solenoid to lock the heads kicked back in and the drive motor shut-off with the LED on the front blinking on and off. Everything seems to be 'mechanically' okay, but I'm no Hard Disk Man myself. Any ideas on what could be done to fix 'er up? Also, my driver controller card has a flat cable run to the floppies that both plugs come off one cable, but my hard disk only has a single plug on its' cable. There is another power plug for another disk drive...can I just get another cable to run another HD from my card?......let me know, I'd like to take my memory hog PC up to 72Mb cheap if I can.....s'later =========== From: RAVEN To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: God... Date & Time: 06/21/90 21:57:43 Message Number 5995 > Anyhow....keep in touch! Gee, do I have to? Oh by the way, did you know that Bart is almost as anal retentive as Turtle? =========== From: RAVEN To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: HD Date & Time: 06/21/90 22:08:07 Message Number 5996 1. Do you have one or two flat cables running to your hdd? 2. How many drive bays do you have, and how many are you using? If you have a IBM PC, or another machine with full height floppy drives count each drive bay as 2 bays (as one can mount 2 half height devices in each). It should be relatively easy to add a second HDD to your system, especially if you have a MFM or RLL hard disk in it now (as these are the most common for ms-dos machines they are also fairly inexpensive). -Raven =========== From: TREE BEARD To: BEATLE Subject: Morality & You Date & Time: 06/22/90 03:43:29 Message Number 5997 Yes, I agree something should have been done. A: They are from out of state and do not realize how backward Sarasota can be. B: It may be posted at points on the beach, but the ordaninces are not posted at all paths to the beach. C: I'm in a bad mood. At the best, the officer could have issued a warning. Not arrested the whole family (including a child). Or, the officer could have written some tickets. But he did not have to arrest them. It is illogical to have a state the depends on tourism for it's budjet to send them home spreading tales of woe. What has to happen? A few more dogs get shot? Or perhaps a kid cause he won't put down his frizbee... Treeee =========== From: MMA To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: computers Date & Time: 06/22/90 11:32:36 Message Number 6000 HMmmmm...interesting. I think it's a neat name. I just use my initials. So far about 3 people asked what the middle 'm' stood for. To save you the trouble of asking,it stands for McDonald(no relation to the burger clown) I've never heard of a rotary slide rule. How did you come across it? I also have a wild imagination,it's a little on the sick side though. OJ (Obligatory Joke) What do you do if you come across an elephant in the jungle? Wipe it off,and say you're sorry. 'Bye, MMA (l-house) =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: RAVEN Subject: God... Date & Time: 06/22/90 14:08:09 Message Number 6001 NO, CAN'T SAY THAT I DID....AND, NO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO. =========== From: KEN OBER To: ALL Subject: * AKIRA STUFF * Date & Time: 06/22/90 18:34:13 Message Number 6002 Just to tell everyone, I have found in the AniMajic catalog 2 different CD versions of the Akira soundtrack -- ALso, Akira is availible on VHS tape for about $95 -- I wonder if that is translated, or atleast sub-titled -- They don't say much about the videos -- I should call and find out -- ANyways, I think the soundtrack was $24.95 -- If anyone wants information, I can find it for 'em... =========== From: DONTHEN To: KEN OBER Subject: * AKIRA STUFF * Date & Time: 06/22/90 18:37:33 Message Number 6003 Most of Animagic's stuff is direct from Japan; if it's not indicated as subtitled, it probably isn't (there /is/ a subtitled version of it out there but it's not an "official" release as far as I know). Streamline Pictures, the company that produced the English language version of Akira, has indicated they are planning to release it and other Japanese movies they own the English-language rights to in translated versions on videotape and videodisc, but nothing definite has been set. But at any rate, if you order from Animagic, Anime Mart or one of the other import places, be prepared to get an original copy of whatever you ordered in the exact form a Japanese consumer would if they walked into the Japanese equivalent of Camelot or Blockbuster Video, not one that has been even slightly repackaged for American audiences.... =========== From: RUFUS To: TURTLE Subject: film Date & Time: 06/22/90 19:52:09 Message Number 6004 Let me try this... Often befudled Rufus: "Just what's a Gordian knot? Is that like when you mess up tying your shoe and it gets a really tight knot in it?" =========== From: RUFUS To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: godtalk Date & Time: 06/22/90 19:55:20 Message Number 6005 I've heard similiar (sp?) stories about an engine that got really good milage (like 100 mpg) but the oil companies paid the inventor off or something like that. I don't know how true it is, but I have heard it from several different people. =========== From: RUFUS To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: computers Date & Time: 06/22/90 19:57:10 Message Number 6006 >automation design engineer Huh? What exactly is that? You work on automating things I guess? I'm thinking of engineering as a major. Most likely mechanical with a discipline in bioengineering. =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: RAVEN Subject: HD Date & Time: 06/22/90 23:33:14 Message Number 6008 The hard disk I presently have is a Seagate 32Mb HD and it has two flat ribbon cables running to it (I think one is a 10 and one is a 17 conductor). I have two floppies (3.5HD and 5.25HD) and an open bay for another hard disk. There is an open male pin connector port on my controller card(I think it was for 10 conductor), but no open port for the 17 conductor. I have a hard disk, the cabling requirements match the one I presently have, but I can't get it to run. I think my first problem is to debug the drive but I ain't no HD wizz. The one I picked up lists in mail-order houses for about $595, so I'd like to fix it if possible....thanx =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: MMA Subject: computers Date & Time: 06/22/90 23:39:56 Message Number 6009 It wasn't an effort to come across it, at the time the only portable calculators cost $$$$$ and were not allowed in class, so my Prof went out and bought these for everyone. It works the same as a linear rule, except its made as a dial on a plastic card, accurate to as many as one significant decimal places....haha. OJ If you helped your Uncle Jack on a horse, would you help you Uncle Jack off a horse? 'Bye back atcha.....ssssssSNAKEBYTE . . =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: RUFUS Subject: godtalk Date & Time: 06/22/90 23:44:45 Message Number 6010 Hmmmm. we must be on the same wave length here. I was trying to tell you about that mpg story, but I typed carburetor about ten times and couldn't even spell it good enough to not laugh at it (yes, I'm a crappy speller and I looked it up this time), so I left it out of my posting. Unfortunately, I've heard just as many stories about Elvis being alive, soooooo I don't know what to beleive any more. If its in print "It's gotta be true". I believe the mpg stories. The oil companies run a lot more stuff in this country then we know about. I heard that in the late 60's/early 70's, that because Russia was using a lot of IBM stuff in their military program, that IBM Service Parts Division had more clout with the USSR government then the US government. What a world eh?...... =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: RUFUS Subject: computers Date & Time: 06/22/90 23:50:18 Message Number 6011 >automation design engineer Well, that is what my 'background' is in. My college education was in Marine Biology. Okay, Automation Design Engineer...we design automatic assembly systems with robotics, pick-and-place equipment, PLC controls, servos....etc,etc to manufacture or assemble industrial products from printed circuit boards to typewriters automatically. Sometimes they are small machines (10' square) other times they are full factory systems (ie- the entire plant for IBM Lexington, KY to assemble, test and package the Selectric Typewriters from rough/raw components into the finished product). Right now I am in charge of the CAD group and work closely with R&D for a company manufacturing pouch form-fill-& seal equipment and related components. It's not big into hi-tech automation, but the packaging industry is a little behind others, so the potential for growth is GREAT. I still dabble in robotics and automation systems on the side. Mechanical Engineering is fun, but if you deside to take it up, do everything you can to get hands-on experience. Too many engineers are book-smart and practical-stupid. Automate, emmigrate or evaporate..... (President of GE) =========== From: RUFUS To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: computers Date & Time: 06/23/90 01:06:35 Message Number 6012 Next year I have an externship which will count for one high school credit. All I need to do now is find either a mechanical engineer or someone who designs prosthetics (that's what I'd really like to do). I've always been into hands-on stuff. For instance, I learned just what sulfuric acid can do when you get it on your hands! :) =========== From: MMA To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: jokes Date & Time: 06/23/90 01:57:55 Message Number 6013 Here are a few jokes that I just downloaded from A.U.B. What do you have when you have two little green balls in your hand? Kermit's undivided attention. What has 30,000 fee,and still can't walk? Jerry's kids How many polacks does it take to make chocolate chip cookies? 20. 1 to mix the batter and 19 to peel the M&Ms. Here's a poem to tell your ex-girlfriend (I know you're married,but I hope you like it anyway.) Roses are red the night is black Why is your chest as flat as your back. Not knowing what you like,I hope that these don't offend you. M M A =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: film Date & Time: 06/23/90 19:15:36 Message Number 6017 Once the film has been spliced, you can't splice the same frame again; if you put two layers of tape on the film, it won't go through the projector very well... =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: Morality & You Date & Time: 06/23/90 19:17:42 Message Number 6018 >...[if] one family brings them ALL on the beach, something should be >done. Yeah, something like making less oppressive, anal-retentive laws about what you can't do on the beach. A list of two hundred and seventeen activities which are banned on public beaches, aech of which is followed with "Violators will be persecuted," is not conducive to enjoyment of public beaches--even if it DOES prevent people from seeing anything they might not like. =========== From: TURTLE To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: HD Date & Time: 06/23/90 19:25:23 Message Number 6019 From what you described, it sounds like there's an error in the hard disk controller, rather than the drive itself...possibly the controller can't recognize that drive. Can you get it to do anything /besides/ park the heads? (IE, when you fire it up, will it try to seek Cylinder 0 before it parks 'em, or does it just sit there frantically blinking its light?) It's possble that the drive is too slow for the controller, or that the drive isn't communicating with the controller correctly, or that the controller can't tell when the drive is at cylinder 0...but these are primarily guesswork. Any more info you can give me would help; also, you might want to ask Raven about it... =========== From: TURTLE To: RUFUS Subject: film Date & Time: 06/23/90 19:34:04 Message Number 6020 Just what is a Gordian knot? Rufus, I'm ashamed of you! Go back and re-read your history books, NOW. (Hint: Look up the life and times of Alexander the Great.) ...go ahead, I'll wait. =========== From: TURTLE To: RUFUS Subject: EPA & You Date & Time: 06/23/90 19:35:59 Message Number 6021 I've heard (apocryphally) of a mythical "100-miles-per" engine that got buried by the oil companies, and think they're mostly paranoid bunk. To start with, a car manufacturer (particularly a foreign manufacturer, I suspect) would stand to make a LOT of money from such a device, and the oil companies themselves wouldn't have a great deal of say in the matter. Automotive manufacturers themselves don't have any stake in making sure their products guzzle gas; they aren't the ones who profit by them. Secondly, I suspect that if there were such a device, it would probably have been replicated by now. There are certain practical limitations on the efficiency of any internal combustion engine, and it's difficult to imagine a gasoline-powered internal-combustion engine capable of driving a car and getting 100 miles per gallon unless it's going downhill with a brisk tailwind. ...oh well. --A realistic Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: computers Date & Time: 06/23/90 19:45:57 Message Number 6022 >I still dabble in robotics and automation systems on the side. Really? Damn, I have a friend in Ft. Myers who's really big into armchair engineering--he's been building robots and whatnot since he was in high school. He builds some pretty impressive stuff. Right now he's self-employed and fabricates signs and stuff from plastics, and builds some /really/ bizzare robots out of some of the plastics he works with. Kind of an interesting hobby... =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: Morality & You Date & Time: 06/23/90 20:12:52 Message Number 6025 > A list of two hundred and seventeen activities... even if it does > prevent people from seeing anything they might not like. Well, that is true, but my idea of enjoying the beach isn't like everyone elses. Neither is any particular person's idea. I just don't want to go to the beach and step in doggie-doo or cut myself on glass. Why some beach doesn't allow frisbees, I don't know. What I DO know is that I can't stand the beach with cigarette butts all over in the sand. It looks sick and I do not want to walk or sit on them, much less have them stick to my sandy, wet feet. Alcohol on the beach, maybe, but I don't like drunk people either. =========== From: KEN OBER To: RUFUS Subject: Engine Date & Time: 06/23/90 20:34:21 Message Number 6026 Yes, the engine I heard of ran off of propane and steam and could get up to 100 and something MPH on only two cylendars..... -- Hidehoheho! -- =========== From: THRUD To: BEATLE Subject: Morality & You Date & Time: 06/24/90 10:25:37 Message Number 6029 Although I haven't been there lately, Clearwater beach used to do it pretty well. There's a big pier that divides the beach, and on one side you have music, frisbees, beer, babes, football, whatever, and on the other side it's a bit more sedate and oriented to an older crowd. Personally, I prefer to hit Turtle Beach (tthanks turtle) about 7 am Sunday with my paper and a jug of coffee, then when the yankees and bluehairs start showing up I head for my AC, TV, and modem. =========== From: THRUD To: KEN OBER Subject: Engine Date & Time: 06/24/90 10:32:03 Message Number 6030 I heard that the mars launch vehicle will be powered with two AA batteries - energizers of course.... Also - Henry Ford is alive and well and living in Lee Ioccocas R&D lab. Also - JFK jr and wally mondale will be the next Democratic ticket Also - We'll come up with a subject turtle doesn't know anything about.. Nah, THAT'll never happpen A Sunday BBQ Thrud =========== From: RUFUS To: ALL Subject: Star Trek: TNG Date & Time: 06/24/90 19:54:51 Message Number 6031 Those bastards, those dirty bastards. They expect me to wait around all summer to see what happens? Those dirty bastards... ...at least the Borg [gee, where'd they get that name] could've given Jean-Luc some hair. =========== From: RAVEN To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: HD Date & Time: 06/24/90 21:03:05 Message Number 6032 You prob. have either a st-238r or st138r hard drive. The R stands for RLL (Run Length Limited), an encoding method which allows 1.5x the data to be stored on the drive. The cables to the drive should actually be 20 and 34 conductor each (but every other line is probably ground). It is a simple matter to ad another drive to your system, and another 30 meg drive should be _less_ than $595 (I see 40meg drives retail for less than that installed). Give me a call some weekday between 7p and 1a, or even tonight. My number will be posted in e-mail (M frim the main menu, oops, that's from). -Raven- ps. I also know some good disk drive repair places. =========== From: RAVEN To: TURTLE Subject: EPA & You Date & Time: 06/24/90 21:18:40 Message Number 6034 I believe the world record is about 300mpg, but the vehicle had a top speed of about 30 mph. It can be done, but who wants to ride a gocart to work. -R =========== From: RAVEN To: TURTLE Subject: computers Date & Time: 06/24/90 21:21:39 Message Number 6035 There is an individual from nc who would be quite interested in this thread, as he is doing a robotics thesis. =========== From: TREE BEARD To: RUFUS Subject: engines Date & Time: 06/24/90 22:02:23 Message Number 6036 The problem with those engines is that they accelerate and go too slow.. remember the first sub-compact cars? They could get 50mpg highway. If you read Popular Science March issue I think, they have carbon fiber and other composites to make engine prototypes that are extremely light and fast... besides being fuel efficiant. On another note, remeber the first light bulbs? There is still one hanging in a firestation. It's been burning since Edison made it... thats quite a few hours. Now your lucky to get a light bulb to last a year. Upp, my warrenties up on my computer bye... trkj2948uydosif =========== From: KEN OBER To: TURTLE Subject: MNP Lev 5 & Me. Date & Time: 06/24/90 22:55:16 Message Number 6037 Okay, I have run into some extra money that I can use for computer stuff....(About $300) -- I have a few choices of what I can do with it... 1) Save it for a Hard Drive and wait until I get about $200 more... 2) Purchase a cheap used SCSI interface and hope to find a cheap used HD (Maybe even 10 Megs or something like that) to go with it... 3) [This one involves waiting until Christmas for a Hard Drive.] Purchase a Supra Modem Plus for $129 .... This is a 2400 Baud modem with V.42bis (!?) and MNP levels 2-5 (!?) error-correction and data-compression ... The (!?) mean that I know nothing about what these are, how easy they are to use, what they can be used with, or much else for that matter ... ALl I know is that it gives me 9600 Baud throughput when I'm calling a modem with the same protocols...Can you (or anyone else) describe these to me a little bit -- And can the 9600 baud be used with most BBSes I call that have 9600 baud or higher? (Eg -- /MANY/ boards that I transfer files to and from use Courier HST's that get 19.2 K-Baud ... Can I get the 9600 Baud with those?) I'd really like to get the modem, but if you don't think it is a good deal, worth it, etc.. Then tell me which of the first 2 would be the best idea... Thanks... -Ken Ober =========== From: KEN OBER To: ALL Subject: My BBS Date & Time: 06/24/90 23:05:59 Message Number 6038 My BBS (The ABRACADABRA BBS -- 813/378-2218 -- 8-N-1-2400) Still has not gotten Paragon yet! I'm out of answers for everyone because I have again lost contact with the author of the software! He's gone into "It's time to take all the phones off the hook, lock myself in my computer den and program the BBS" mode....This usually results in him being un-reachable for a few weeks, and him announcing a version of the BBS that is about 20 version numbers higher than the earlier relase. :) Anyways, he /said/ he was sending out Paragon monday .. I /assumed/ that meant last Monday -- SO I will /assume/ he has not sent it for one reason or another...I will inform everyone when I get ahold of him again...It should be in a few days -- ANywyas, keep my BBS in your dialing directories! I SHALL RETURN! :) hehehehehe... -Ken Ober =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: RUFUS Subject: computers Date & Time: 06/25/90 00:02:33 Message Number 6039 Prosthetics?!?! Wow, now that would be an interesting feild. If you like that, my REAL dream was (and still is) to apply my engineering skills and my imagination towards film animation (robotics for movies, sci-fi special effects...etc). I guess if you could design an artificial limb, you could design one for Godzilla....haha =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: MMA Subject: jokes Date & Time: 06/25/90 00:05:38 Message Number 6040 .....(cont. from page 1) Why doesn't Santa have any children? He only comes once a year and that's down a chimney. Why do women have legs? So they don't leave a trail like a slug when they walk. What's the difference between a truck load of bowling balls and a truck load of dead babies? You can't unload the bowling balls with a pitch fork. ....welp, you tell ME if you think you offended me..... (hope I didn't offend you.......haha) =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: TURTLE Subject: HD Date & Time: 06/25/90 00:10:28 Message Number 6041 It seeks Cylinder 0 before it parks and mechanically appears to be functioning fine. The unit was in a PC at work and did the same thing there as it does at home (and at home it was cabled into my existing HD cabling which runs my 32Mb Seagate fine). It was functioning okay at work until a couple weeks ago, just woke up dead. Are you referring to the controller card in my PC or the controls circuitry that is mounted directly to the HD? Do you know anyone that really knows hard disks and could possibly take a look at it for me? ....Raven?? =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: TURTLE Subject: computers Date & Time: 06/25/90 00:14:31 Message Number 6042 My 'dabbling' has also landed me a trouble a few times. I worked for an outfit in North Carolina and we designed and built a dual-headed NC Router for a wood-working outfit. Before it was shipped I snuck in and re-programmed it to router out team plaques for all the top NCAA basketball teams (including logos) and had cut a ton of plaques. I forgo to re-program in all the production routines and on Monday, my software and some 'missed' plaques were found in the plant....ooops. Oh well, it didn't hurt for tooooo long.... =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: RAVEN Subject: HD Date & Time: 06/25/90 00:19:05 Message Number 6043 Thanks, I'll be taking you up on that......... =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: RAVEN Subject: HD Help Date & Time: 06/25/90 00:23:57 Message Number 6044 It's a little late right now so I'll try and get in touch tomorrow. If you get near a phone during the day, I can be reached at 359-4027. That number goes directly to the phone on my desk at work. If it doesn't get answered after about 6 rings, hang-up because I'm not at my desk and it will be transferring you to the operator......s'later =========== From: TURTLE To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: SEARCH..... Date & Time: 06/25/90 00:34:33 Message Number 6046 A scan can't be terminated once it's started, an unfortunate misfeature in this rather pathetic excuse for BBS software. It didn't really hang on you; it just searched backward through ALL the messages in the file (right now that's about 1,200 messages) using a text-search algorithm written in FORTRAN 66 that's capable of searching maybe 10 messages a second. It can take a LONG time to scan all the messages... =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: Morality & You Date & Time: 06/25/90 00:37:17 Message Number 6047 >Why some beaches don't allow frisbees, I don't know. That's an easy one...fear that the county will be sued if someone gets klonked in the head with aplastic disk, causing him to drop his glasses. >...I can't STAND a beach with cigarette butts all over the sand. It >looks sick... ...so that's a good reason to ban smoking on a beach, neh? And if you think T-back bikinis look sick, why, ban them, too! And while you're at it, if you think that bikinis in general look sick, well, get rid of 'em. Come to think of it, there are some one-piece designs that are rather revealing and might be considered sick...better get rid of them while we're at it. Banning something because you think it "looks sick" is not a good idea, regardless of how good your intentions are or how liberal your views on other people's objectionable whatever are. =========== From: TURTLE To: RAVEN Subject: EPA & You Date & Time: 06/25/90 00:43:44 Message Number 6048 >I believe the world record is about 300mpg, but the vehicle had a top >speed of about 30 mph. Could it carry more than one rider? Also, was it a gasoline-burning engine? Small four-stroke engines can get /really/ high mileage when they're propelling a total of, say, two hundred pounds at thirty miles per hour, sure, especially when they're running on something like top fuel or propane. There are, in fact, things you can do to more conventional gasoline engines to make them fuel-efficient (my Honda Civic had a 1.5-liter four in it that got almost sixty miles per, thanks to the fact that it used vector-controlled combustion, but Honda's got an airtight patent on CVCC engines...) I don't think you're gonna get a hundred miles per on a reasonably-sized passenger vehicle with a gasoline-burning engine, though. On an unrelated note, John Deere is now manufacturing a small IC engine for the military for use in second-generation generators that's a miracle of efficiency. The engine generates abut sixty horses, burns just about any flammable liquid (gasoline, kerosene, alcohol, Type A jet fuel, liquid propane, top fuel, you name it), and fits in a bowling bag. It's a scavenging engine that uses a modification of vector- controlled combustion to ignite the fuel in the cylinders. It's not very practical for vehicles, though; it's /real/ expensive and its RPM range is rather limited. =========== From: TURTLE To: TREE BEARD Subject: Light bulbs Date & Time: 06/25/90 00:52:12 Message Number 6049 >Remember the first light bulbs? There is still one hanging in a >firestation. It's been burning since Edison made it... There's a couple of 'em in Edison's winter home in Ft. Myers, too. They glow with a dim red light and provide about 7 candlepower of illumination... :) GE makes a whole bunch of light bulbs for specialized non-consumer applications that have amazing life expectancies, like the 67.5-watt bulbs used in traffic lights that have a life expectancy of over 15,000 hours of constant on-off-on-off (which is kind of hard on light bulbs). There isn't any percentage in making 'em for consumer use, though, any more than there's a percentage in making lithium flashlight batteries (sure they'd cost ten bucks for two "D" cells, but they'd also last for about seven years in normal operation...) =========== From: TURTLE To: KEN OBER Subject: MNP Lev 5 & Me. Date & Time: 06/25/90 00:57:40 Message Number 6050 V.42bis is a data compression algorithm, and MNP is an error-correction/ data-compression protocol. These both can give you an effective through- put of 9600 baud if you're talking to another modem that's doing V.42bis or MNP 5, but that doesn't mean you're connected at 9600 baud; what that means is that if you're sending a bunch of stuff, the modem will use data compression on it (kinda like what happens when you archive a file), send it at 2400 baud, and then uncompress it at the other end. So you're still talking at 2400 baud, but it takes the same amount of time to send, say, a text file as it would if you sent it at 9600 baud without compressing it. (If you're sending data that are already compressed, the effective speed difference won't be nearly as great). No, you can't talk to HST modems at 9600 baud; you are still only talking at 2400, and if the HST modem doesn't do MNP you're talking at plain old ordinary 2400 at that. Myself, I'd recommend saving for a hard drive, particularly if you're planning to go Fido with the bulletin board. You already have a 2400 baud modem, and not all that many people do MNP, comparatively speaking ...and even fewer still do V.42bis. (Besides, there are also programs floating around, although I don't know if they're available for AmigaDOS, that do V.42bis in software.) =========== From: TURTLE To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: HD Date & Time: 06/25/90 01:05:37 Message Number 6051 If it's seeking Cylinder 0 and then parking, I'd say that for some reason the drive itself can't tell when it's at Cylinder 0, but your guess is as good as mine as to why. First guess--the mechanical sensor in the head-positioning assembly is out of alignment or other- wise farkled. Since it's not working with any controller, I'd say it's likely not the controller... :) (Good diagnostics, huh?) I'd also suggest getting Raven to look at it (oh, Raveeeeen...), since after all he does service the -deleted- things for a living...I'm not all that "up" on diagnosing weird HD problems, particularly sight- unseen. =========== From: THRUD To: RUFUS Subject: Star Trek: TNG Date & Time: 06/25/90 09:49:15 Message Number 6052 Dirty bastards ? Methinks you're too kind to the Denubian scumsucking incestuaous bilge-drinking dipshits. If you heard a scream from North Sarasota at 7:59, that was me. It's gonna be a long summer. So what'll happen now? Will Riker destroy the Borg? Will Q come and save the day? Will Jean-Luc (Lucutis of Borg) destroy the Federation, or will our chrome domed hero prove to be more than the Borg can handle? Will Wesley get laid ? (not a chance) Incidently, my brother in law is here from Michigan, and he tells me that they see new episodes SIX DAYS before us ! What the hell are we, second class citizens - or is channel 44 a second class operation ? A Thrud in a Quandry - or is that a nebula ? =========== From: MMA To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: uncle jack Date & Time: 06/25/90 11:08:48 Message Number 6053 NO! I wouldn't help my uncle jack off the horse! I'll let him just fall off! MMA =========== From: MMA To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: jokes Date & Time: 06/25/90 11:12:49 Message Number 6054 I liked the one about santa! I've seen the others before,they're good too. What's more amazing than Moby's dick? Lucille's balls Why do female parachutists wear tampons? so they don't whistle on the way down! Little miss muffet sat on her tuffet,eating her curds and whey. Along came a spider,who sat down beside her and said: "WHAT'S IN THE BOWL B*TCH?!" What do you call a designer condom? Sergio Prevente' Did you hear about the new car for teenagers? It's called the C. Everet Coupe Deville. There are no back seats. MMA =========== From: BEATLE To: RUFUS Subject: Star Trek: TNG Date & Time: 06/25/90 13:11:00 Message Number 6055 > Those bastards, those dirty bastards. At least they gave us a good episode. I hope someone gets Riker to take a command. I'm really beginning to hate seeing him. He has bags under his eyes and he's getting plumper faster than William Shatner. Let's hope if he stays that he keeps his hair, we don't want more dumb looking toupees. =========== From: BEATLE To: KEN OBER Subject: MNP Lev 5 & Me. Date & Time: 06/25/90 13:15:17 Message Number 6056 You see, choices one and two would benefit the users of your BBS and allow expanded message capability. Choice 3 would benefit yourself just about exclusively. I don't think anyone around here has 9600 baud, so who could call you at it. Then again, if you think that it's a really good deal... it's your money, but why do you want people to tell you how to spend it? =========== From: BEATLE To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: computers Date & Time: 06/25/90 13:18:43 Message Number 6057 > robotics for movies, sci-fi special effects...etc Hey, when I reach my dream (being a director in the Spielberg/Zemeckis vein), I'll give you a call! =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: Morality & You Date & Time: 06/25/90 13:22:38 Message Number 6058 > Banning something because it "looks sick" is not a good idea,... Hey, I did NOT use the word "ban" in my message, it's not even in your quote from my message. All I'm saying is that someone should find a way to keep their litter (butts) off the beach. Compare it to something else I said. I say that people should be allowed to take glass bottles on the beach as long as I don't step on them. =========== From: BEATLE To: THRUD Subject: Star Trek: TNG Date & Time: 06/25/90 13:27:59 Message Number 6059 > ...they see new episodes SIX DAYS before us ! OOh, the wonders of syndication!! Each station tapes the episode on a pre-feed (eight days before we get it) and shows it any day in the next week. Since weekends are usually more open to weekly syndicated shows, and because Sunday has high viewership, Ch. 44 does ST:TNG on Sunday night. Incidentally, I will have access to the conclusion airdate through Quantum Link. When I find it, I can access the eight-day early pre-feed and see it before you AND your brother-in-law. Guess I'm a first class citezen, eh?? =========== From: BEATLE To: ALL Subject: Convention! Date & Time: 06/25/90 13:35:23 Message Number 6060 News Flash! (Well, not really) Ken Ober and I are planning on attending the Trekfest convention in Tampa on July 8. It is also running July 7. It will be held at the Holliday Inn Tampa Airport (which I heard is near the Fox's house). Guest will be James "Scotty" Doohan. Question and answer sessions will be both days at 1 PM. Autographs will be given at 3 PM. Trivia games will be played with prizes to be awarded. Door prizes will be awarded. Bloopers and episodes will be run. There (of course) will be a dealer's room. There probably will be at least one other guest. Admission is $12 for one day and $20 for two days. This IS NOT a Vulkon convention! Who else is interested in going?? =========== From: KEN OBER To: TURTLE Subject: Hard Drives Date & Time: 06/25/90 14:27:49 Message Number 6061 Okay, do you think I could find a used Hard Drive (without controller) for $150 or around there -- All it must be is SCSI ... any meg value... See, I have come across a /very/ cheap HD controller, and if I can find and equally cheap HD I can still have money left over for RAM expansion! Amazing, eh? =========== From: KEN OBER To: BEATLE Subject: MNP Lev 5 & Me. Date & Time: 06/25/90 14:31:04 Message Number 6062 > why do you want people to tell you how to spend it? Because when /I/ decide how to spend it, I do it stupidly... (Eg -- Turtle Comics..) And it usually doesn't benefit the people on my BBS or anyone else for that matter, very much....Again, I'm looking for ANY CHEAP SCSI HARD DRIVE FOR $150 OR LESS! If you have it, or know of anyone who has it -- TELL ME ASAP! Any megabyte will do, What I am trying to do, is be able to get the HD with the memory expansion -- If I can't find it for fairly cheap, I'm just going to purchase the memory expansion now and think about the HD later.... (The expansion I am purchasing will bring my total RAM count up to 1.5 Megabytes...) =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: Star Trek: TNG Date & Time: 06/25/90 16:43:23 Message Number 6063 Next season's Star Trek lineup: Riker is commander of the Enterprise, the nasty, bad-tempered young lady is his first officer, and Decks 6 through 16 of the saucer are uninhabitable due to radiation contamination incurred during the battle with the Rubik's Cube of Doom. Picard is floating space-dust; the only thing left of him is the neat-O laser the Borg grafted for unknown reasons to the side of his face as a special effect. Wesley has it out with Riker, ends up in bed with Troi, and dies a week later of acute embarrassment when someone else beats him to the punch and saves the Enterprise before he does. Meanwhile, The Weekly Galaxy News reports that a party of Denubians saw the ghost of Captain Kirk in a Circle-K, near the frozen foods, and that he was last seen running off through the ionosphere with the ghost of Elvis and a "weird green chick." =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: Morality & You Date & Time: 06/25/90 16:49:39 Message Number 6064 I know, I know, I was just pointing out the kind of mindset that results in silliness like bans on T-backs and whatnot. I wasn't actually accusing you of /having/ that mindset; I was simply (trying to) illustrate how a personal distaste can end up expressing itself as repression if you aren't careful. *Sigh*... =========== From: ANGEL To: TURTLE Subject: .... Date & Time: 06/26/90 00:57:39 Message Number 6065 Angel grabs a piano roll from the box at random and loads it into the player. The song, (March of the Siamese Children) begins to fill the bar, successfully covering the grumblings of the confused Turtle. Receiving her drink from Xon, Angel sits beside the charmingly befuddled reptile. "Sounds as if I've missed some interesting arrivals in my short absense. This locale seems to be a nexus of mystery. Catch me up on the gossip; or, if not, I'll play another song. Any requests?" Before Turtle could ask if she knew how to play "Far, Far Away" she continued. "I've been rather busy myself this morning. Besides settling that bit of unpleasantness with the authorities, I've started to straighten my financial situation. I'm rather flush now after collecting on Cartwright's insurance policy. So I've done a bit of shopping. You like the new outfit? And, of course, the piano you've already noticed. Oh, and I must have you out to see the ship. She's a beauty." =========== From: RUFUS To: TURTLE Subject: EPA & You Date & Time: 06/26/90 01:17:19 Message Number 6066 O.K. You bashed me for not knowing what a Gordian knot was [watch it, I could have said "knot knowing..."], so explain vector-controlled combustion is. =========== From: RUFUS To: THRUD Subject: Star Trek: TNG Date & Time: 06/26/90 01:20:56 Message Number 6067 Beatle sees them a week early (of course, he does have a dish). My friend got a call at about 7:59 p.m. and the first words out of the handset were "What's this 'To be continued' shit?!" I myself am still debating as to what I'd like to see. =========== From: RUFUS To: BEATLE Subject: Star Trek: TNG Date & Time: 06/26/90 01:24:49 Message Number 6068 So, what's this I hear about the "Star Trek Conclusion Episode" party at your house? :) =========== From: RICHARD To: SPE11WIND Subject: n Date & Time: 06/26/90 10:15:13 Message Number 6069 when he does, god help us all, we are in a mess now, what would it be wi th him in office, help! =========== From: RICHARD To: JONBOY Subject: n Date & Time: 06/26/90 10:24:51 Message Number 6070 In Bradenton they still are 18 inches long. =========== From: RICHARD To: CRYSTAL Subject: n Date & Time: 06/26/90 10:45:38 Message Number 6071 Great story, but I still laugh, when I think of the two garbage men in the park! =========== From: YNGLING To: TURTLE Subject: Morality & You Date & Time: 06/26/90 17:21:38 Message Number 6072 Turtle - FYI ( as if anyone really cares) - the anti-frisbee ordinance is /not/ because the County is afraid of lawsuits...I do not know why it exists but /that/ isnt the reason. If you were on the beach and someone hit you w/ a frisbee the County would have no liability. The County's duty owed to you while you are using a public beach is to correct any /known/ hazards and warn of any /known/ hazards. A frisbee is not a known hazard unless someone calls the County and complains of that particular frisbee prior to it striking you...and then only if the complaint is in regards to the frisbee being a source of injury or property damage. The Yngling =========== From: THRUD To: BEATLE Subject: Star Trek: TNG Date & Time: 06/26/90 20:35:44 Message Number 6074 A cliff hanger resolution party at your place ? Make it so. I'll bring some Romulan ale (I had it smuggled across the neutral Zone) and a genuine Deana Troi vibrating pillow - love the cleavage queen. Jeez, I hope my wife doesn't go into labor during the first show of the season - she might not understand when I choose to watch our bald headed champion save sector 001 rather than coach her breathing. =========== From: C.C.A. To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: Meaning Date & Time: 06/26/90 21:43:26 Message Number 6075 There is a pretty long story, but to make it simple, my spacebar doesn't work(right now I'm using a joystick's FIRE button) so I couldn't use my normal handle.   At the time I had >a Reader's Digest in front of me and one article was called "Castro, Cocaine, and the Atom bomb" hence the initials C.C.A. =========== From: TURTLE To: RUFUS Subject: EPA & You Date & Time: 06/26/90 23:38:33 Message Number 6076 AARGH! Oh benighted Rufus, doth thou know ANYTHING? Vector-controlled combustion is a scheme by which the gasoline/air mixture in an engine's combustion chamber isn't ignited by a spark, it's ignited by a flame. What happens is this: you have two separate carburetion circuits for the engine, and every cylinder has a tiny combustion chamber off to one side, with the spark plug screwed into it. On each cycle, you put a small amount of very rich fuel mixture into the auxiliary chamber, and a normal amount of very lean fuel mixture into the cylinder. The spark ignites the rich mixture, which starts burning very easily because it's so rich. The burning mixture then spills into the cylinder, where it ignites the lean mixture in the cylinder. That way, you can use an unusually lean overall mix without knocking and misfiring, since the mixture is ignited by a moving flame-front and burns more evenly (and more cleanly). The only production vehicle that uses that type of engine right now is the Honda CRX HF and the CVCC Accord (early Civics also used CVCC engines, but for some reason they don't any more). =========== From: TREE BEARD To: TURTLE Subject: Light bulb Date & Time: 06/27/90 03:24:24 Message Number 6077 7 candlepower? Really? Thats actually enough to read a book by, when you stop to consider that one or two candles is sufficient, if not, per haps a strain. I was wondering if you knew what happens to those stupid lamps along the street? In my younger days when I would go a- wandering, they would constantly blink off when you walked under them. Sometimes this happened several times a night... Geee, I wonder if GTE designed them? Just a-wundering a-Tree =========== From: RUFUS To: THRUD Subject: Star Trek: TNG Date & Time: 06/27/90 15:47:29 Message Number 6078 If she does go into labor during the season opener (which would be a really rude thing for her to do) swing by my house and you can borrow my portable TV. It's color, it's 13 inches, and it picks up 44. Of course with all the chaos and noise, you'd better have the volume up high. =========== From: RUFUS To: TURTLE Subject: EPA & You Date & Time: 06/27/90 15:50:38 Message Number 6079 Ohh...that vector-controlled combustion! Now, answer me this. Just what in Ghods name is the "Hasty Pudding Club?" My mother keeps bugging me to do research on it. I go to the library, they have nothing, then she tells me to look under Harverd. Geesh.... BTW, the library is computerizing the card catalog, complete with touch screens (I think). =========== From: RUFUS To: TREE BEARD Subject: Light bulb Date & Time: 06/27/90 15:53:30 Message Number 6080 Those stupid lamps on the street go off when you walk under them for a very good reason. The lamps are equiped with a motion sensor, and when you walk under them they go off. This makes it easier for you to be mugged. No one has any consideration for criminals these days. =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: Star Trek: TNG Date & Time: 06/27/90 19:16:14 Message Number 6081 I know you didn't mean to be taken seriously, but the start of that spew (Riker is Captain and the blond woman is his first officer) won't be true, because it has been confirmed that Picard will be in the show next season... =========== From: BEATLE To: RUFUS Subject: Star Trek: TNG Date & Time: 06/27/90 19:19:18 Message Number 6082 > Star Trek Conclusion Episode" party Well, I don't think we can watch it here, but if you want me to, I'll tape it the Saturday it airs (at 6 PM) and then as soon as it's over, I'll have Tyler deliver me and the tape to a location where annoyed parents can't complain about how many (and what kind of) people are in the house... =========== From: THRUD To: RUFUS Subject: Star Trek: TNG Date & Time: 06/27/90 20:22:21 Message Number 6083 Thanks for the offer, but I think I have a better idea. On Quantam Leap Sam once halted labor by injecting a saline solution into the mother, which got her drunk and slowed down labor. I don't know exactly what the solution was, but I have a couple of months to find out. And id - I mean IF - it doesn't work on Mindi, I'll try it on myself and maybe I won't care as much. =========== From: THRUD To: BEATLE Subject: Star Trek: TNG Date & Time: 06/27/90 20:27:05 Message Number 6084 I hope this is true, because Jean-Luc MAKES the show. One element that I think makes the show believable and enjoyable is that Picard is just the sort of person who should be on the cutting edge of human exploration and relations with alien cultures. He constantly emphasizes that his mission is scientific, not military. A lot of sci-fi is heavy into weapons and wars, and while TNG has it's share of both, you can actually believe Jean-Luc would rather negotiate and learn than fight. Besides, we bald headed guys haven't had a real hero since Kojak, and I had hair down to my shoulders when he was on TV. =========== From: THRUD To: BEATLE Subject: concl episode Date & Time: 06/27/90 20:35:34 Message Number 6085 My daughter will testify that I am sometimes an "annoyed parent". However, I might just entertain the thought of a conclusion episode party. The question is, will I like you guys as much in person as I do on a green screen ? And would you admittedly graphicly superior amiga-heads make fun of my XT clone ? Interesting thought....... =========== From: KEN OBER To: RUFUS Subject: Star Trek: TNG Date & Time: 06/27/90 21:34:57 Message Number 6086 Or you could stop by Beatle's and watch it a week early just to make sure! :) =========== From: KEN OBER To: THRUD Subject: concl episode Date & Time: 06/27/90 21:37:31 Message Number 6087 Not just the Amiga users, but EVERYONE would make fun of your XT Clone! Apple users, C=64 users, TRS-80 users, etc, etc, etc... We'll make you feel very insecure... =========== From: ANGEL To: RUFUS Subject: Hasty Pudding Date & Time: 06/28/90 01:44:59 Message Number 6088 Why on earth would your mother want you to research the Hasty Pudding Club? There must be something strange in your family's past. =========== From: RUFUS To: ANGEL Subject: Hasty Pudding Date & Time: 06/28/90 12:36:29 Message Number 6089 Uhh, actually, some lady where my mom worked was reading the obits. and asked my mom what the Hasty Pudding Club was. This sparked my mom's interest. There is nothing strange in my family's past (but I'm working to rectify that problem). =========== From: BEATLE To: THRUD Subject: Star Trek: TNG Date & Time: 06/28/90 13:04:55 Message Number 6091 > On Quantum Leap... Speaking of Quantum Leap, I have been watching the show during Quantum Leap Week. I am sorry I have been missing it! Luckily, I have been able to pick up the concepts pretty quickly (such as what happens to the person whose place is being taken) with a little help from my Starlog collection. I really enjoyed the last two episodes (the ones about the lawyer and the dejay) and am looking forward to watching the show from now on. It is supposedly being moved to Friday nights in the fall. Anyway, here's an annoying question. Does anyone have some of the original episodes on tape? I would especially like to see the first one (the two hour movie)... =========== From: BEATLE To: THRUD Subject: Star Trek: TNG Date & Time: 06/28/90 13:09:58 Message Number 6092 Well, on the good points for Jean-Luc, /I/ would agree, but I KNOW Ken Ober would disagree. He hates Picard, Wesley, Riker, and Troi... and the show in general. He still watches it, and I don't remember why. =========== From: TURTLE To: TREE BEARD Subject: Light bulb Date & Time: 06/28/90 16:15:52 Message Number 6093 I dunno if you can read by one candle or not, but I do know you can write long, rambling, incoherent letters by the light of one kerosene lamp. Once you're finished, you can mail them to people who refuse to speak to you, too. About the street lamps: We had some arc lamps at McDonald's that were on a light sensor, only the sensor was positioned in such a way that it could "see" the lamp. It was on a 3 minute delay timer so that headlights and stuff wouldn't cause it to shut off the lamps, and it takes 2 minutes to fire up a mercury- vapor lamp; result, every five minutes the lamps shut off and turned on again. Really annoying. Speaking of which, I used to drive a (different) VW Bug when I was working in Ft. Myers at 5 AM, and every day I'd get up at about 4 to drive to work. My car had a /really/ noisy electrical system that spewed out broadband RF noise all around it. On the route I took to work was a house that had a burglar alarm installed, with one of those neat radio "panic buttons" ytou wear around your neck in case you see dark shadows at night. Every weekday at 4:30 when i drove past the house the burglar alarm went off, and every afternoon on my way home I'd see an alarm company service van in the driveway. This continued for two weeks before they finally solved the problem. Just thought you might like to know. --An RF Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: RUFUS Subject: EPA & You Date & Time: 06/28/90 16:21:52 Message Number 6094 The "Hasty Pudding Club" is an organization of Harvard individuals who are, in a kind of peculiar quirky way, devoted in some sense to the performing arts. They frequently give hasty pudding awards to famous individuals for no readily apparant reason, but that's only because (as they will probably tell you quite giddily) there IS no apparant reason. Past winners have included Cher, who predictably showed up at Harvard wearing almost no clothes. =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: Star Trek: TNG Date & Time: 06/28/90 16:23:56 Message Number 6095 >The start of that spew...won't be true, because it has been confirmed >that Picard will be in the show next season... Yes, but will Wesley end up in bed with Troi? /That's/ what I want to know! =========== From: TURTLE To: KEN OBER Subject: concl episode Date & Time: 06/28/90 16:27:13 Message Number 6096 >...EVERYONE would make fun of your XT clone! Apple users, C=64 users, >TRS-80 users,... ...SB-180 users, LISA users, PDP users, DECsystem-20 users, Timex- Sinclair users... Actually, I shouldn't say that, since I now own an XT clone. Of course, I'm planning on swapping it for a CP/M machine, but as long as I still have it I shouldn't make fun of people who through no fault of their own are unfortunate enough to be stuck with MS-DOS machines... =========== From: SAM To: RUFUS Subject: Pop-Tarts? Date & Time: 06/28/90 16:45:42 Message Number 6098 Sam shakes her head at the sudden question. "No, I don't have any pop- tarts," she says impatiently. "What you're sayin' is that you blew up some IBM place, and now they want you dead. So figure you can't go to the Guard without tellin' them why the IBM people are after you, right?" She sits down on the bed next to the sometime insurance salesman. "So how did they know where to find you? More to the point, do they know you're here now? Figure it'd be hard for anyone who didn't know this place to follow you here, but if someone saw you coming this way it won't take 'em long to find you. Got any ideas?" =========== From: TURTLE To: ALL Subject: Meanwhile... Date & Time: 06/28/90 16:52:51 Message Number 6099 The confused reptile looks somewhat disconcerted by Angel's sudden appearance. "Hey, you got any Metal Church rolls?" he asks her, unsuccessfully. "Um, gossip? Well, this guy came in here...yeah, well... um, sure, I noticed the piano. It's quite lovely. I saw the outfit when you dragged it in. Um...a ship? Here? What ship? Yikes!" The reptile springs away from the bar stool as if expecting a large oceangoing vessel to appear there. When it fails to materialize, he sits back down again, somewhat uncertainly, and says abruptly, "You know, I had a bad experience on a ship once. This guy came up to me, and he had this bag, see, that was full of cats. I asked him why he had a bag with cats in it, and he said something about rats deserting a sinking ship, and...never mind. I got seasick, too. Did you know a whole lot of dock workers have tattoos of anchors on their shoulders? Kinda silly, huh? The Dockworkers Guild coulda been creative, used a picture of a train station being smashed by the fist of the gods or something, but no. Why do you have a ship? Oh, my, Mulligan looks kind of annoyed. I bet he's going to drag Gold off and explain Ranean law to him now. Yep, there they go. I hope Gold's smart enough to get something to drink--that's likely to take a while. Well, at least he's not arresting him. Hey, I like that outfit. Is it new?" =========== From: THRUD To: TURTLE Subject: hasty puds Date & Time: 06/28/90 17:10:05 Message Number 6100 Another essential part of the ceremonies at one of America's most distinguished universities is that the members of Hasty Pudding cross-dress when presenting the award to such luminaries as Carol Burnett, Margot Kidder et al. I suppose this prepares them for the life of wealthy guilt ridden liberalism to which they are doomed. Unless your name is Oliver. =========== From: THRUD To: TURTLE Subject: PCP Users? Date & Time: 06/28/90 17:14:40 Message Number 6101 Jeez, you really shouldn't bring drug abuse into the conversation like that. Anyhow, while I absolutely refuse to get into an argument over machines and operating systems, I must say that my crappy little XT clone has managed to help me stay around a 3.8 GPA while I support a family and go to college at night. And since the rest of the ignorami of the world will continue to live in the world of MS-DOS, it stands to reason that a buck can be made by a guy who trains himself to help them all thru the jungle. And since Ober the pinhead is sure to stick his nose in here, may I add that anyone who professes to hate everyone on TNG and watches it anyhow must either have no life other than TV, or perhaps has not yet mastered the remote control. =========== From: THRUD To: BEATLE Subject: Star Trek: TNG Date & Time: 06/28/90 17:26:52 Message Number 6102 Yes yes, turtle had hit the nail on the head. At the conclusion of the conclusion episode, the cleavage queen will take Wes to bed with her. Unfortunately for Wes, he will be in an urn on her nightstand, having been fried by the Borg while saving the Enterprise one last time. =========== From: KEN OBER To: BEATLE Subject: Star Trek: TNG Date & Time: 06/28/90 23:15:17 Message Number 6104 I still watch the show because there is no other Star Trek on anymore! It's been replaced with SITCOMS!!! ACK!!!!! =========== From: KEN OBER To: TURTLE Subject: Star Trek: TNG Date & Time: 06/28/90 23:16:33 Message Number 6105 Wesley will end up in bed with his Right, Left, or Both Hands! =========== From: RUFUS To: BART AND/OR TYLER Subject: Thank you Date & Time: 06/29/90 00:17:38 Message Number 6106 Thank you for giving me such useful information like the fact that Bart's breasts are the wrong size and nothing /useful/ like just what the plans were for the Tampa trek. Like where you were leaving from and if I should join you at someones house or you come and pick me up. If someone would be practical enough to call me on my nerd hotline and inform me of what's going on, it would be greatly appreciated, and just maybe the aardvark of love and happiness would lick your toes. ...oh yes, let my nerd line ring repeatedly. =========== From: DONTHEN To: KEN OBER Subject: Star Trek: TNG Date & Time: 06/29/90 15:47:44 Message Number 6107 Actually, Wesley will end up in bed with Worf. =========== From: TURTLE To: THRUD Subject: PCP Users? Date & Time: 06/29/90 18:07:20 Message Number 6108 >And since Ober the pinhead is sure to stick his nose in here... Come, come. Ken Ober may be a knucklehead, but he's /our/ knucklehead, so let's try to show SOME consideration for the nice gentleman. ...or not. =========== From: TURTLE To: THRUD Subject: Star Trek: TNG Date & Time: 06/29/90 18:09:08 Message Number 6109 At the conclusion of the season opener, the Borg, having redeemed themselves in the eyes of sapient beings anywhere by their selfless act of public service (namely, frying Wes), will be welcomed into the Federation with open...uh, manipulators. Unfortunately, they will soon prove that you can't reform a bad apple when they stage a leveraged buyout of several of the Federation's largest industries (like Joe's All-Night Starship Fuel Depo and Ship Wash chain), build grandiose monuments to themselves in Atlantic City, and finally vanish forever under a mountain of debt, never to be seen again. Wesley's ashes are used in a research experiment which involves sending them through the Transporter backward in an effort to reconstruct his essence from fragments of DNA sill present in the ashes. Unfortunately, all that results is the sudden appearance of a can of Spam, confirming some suspicions his crewmates have had about him since day 1. =========== From: BEATLE To: KEN OBER Subject: Star Trek: TNG Date & Time: 06/29/90 23:41:18 Message Number 6111 Well, I'm just back from galloping around the cosmos... well, Quantum Link. Anyway, the word out is that at least four people have not re- signed for the fourth season. Patrick Stewart and Marina Sirtis (Picard and Troi) have not signed yet, but most likely will. Wil Wheaton has signed, as well as Johnathan Frakes... unfortunately, they're gonna let Frakes direct one of the fourth season episodes. =========== From: RUFUS To: BEATLE Subject: Star Trek: TNG Date & Time: 06/30/90 03:09:32 Message Number 6112 Marina Sirtis had damned well better be back! Preferably with a lower neck line! Meow! =========== From: RUFUS To: ALL Subject: BBS Date & Time: 06/30/90 03:10:58 Message Number 6113 Yes folks, it's the Armadillo Connection, run by your very own Knucklehead, Ken "Donald Trump" Ober, with help from your very own biomechanical engineer wanna be Rufus, and even more help from Beatle. That number again is: 378-2218. It's running at 2400 baud, with 1200 and 300 available 23 hrs. 53 mins. a day. It's running on Paragon, the BBS that will change before your eyes (or at least between your calls). In a nut shell: 378-2218 3/12/2400 Weird SysOp and weired remotes. ...voops welcome (just don't soil the main menu) =========== From: KEN OBER To: RUFUS Subject: BBS Date & Time: 06/30/90 17:55:58 Message Number 6116 Ya all! You MUST call my BBS soon! I'm improving it more and more... BETTER NEWS -- I have over 1Meg of storage space left after installing the BBS -- This means I /should/ be able to do FIDO /very/ soon -- Lets cross our paws! Yip! :) Call!!!!!!! The Armadillo Connection -- 813/378-2218 -- 8-N-1-300/1200/2400 ANSI and ASCII supported with more on the way if I can get the specifications!!!!!! :) =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: TURTLE Subject: HD Date & Time: 07/01/90 00:06:11 Message Number 6117 Oh well. too inebriayed to answer properlu tonight. RAVEN turmed me on to some repair places. I haven't been around, beeen movin' my PC into the pool yable room (livin room) besides the PC, just tryin to make sure everything still works. "Damn them White Russians". Oh well...see ya'... =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: MMA Subject: uncle jack Date & Time: 07/01/90 00:10:45 Message Number 6118 Goood plan of action./ Wow, whaite a set ofg White Russians!!!! oF WELL WATCHIN' ShadowPlay so I guess it dopes,nt matter. Where the hell is my keyboard????? Gotta stop drinkin' before I get on....sorry.... ....damn gooooood White Russians and TANGO & CASH is GOOD...... =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: MMA Subject: jokes Date & Time: 07/01/90 00:14:46 Message Number 6119 "Hey, I my tongue up some bitches ass. You know how boaring those bank be".....get you;re dice-man straight!!!! Ooooops, sorry for my intoler- ance.....I'm a lil' intoxicated right now....Why not???? Damn them white russians.......oooooooops. . Seee ya''''' does anyone else out t there think 98 might kick 95's ass if 95 doesn't dump some of their some add's...!?!?!?!?!?!??!??!?!?!?!?!???? =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: BEATLE Subject: computers Date & Time: 07/01/90 00:20:30 Message Number 6120 You better call damn fast fast. My immagination might be pretty be outda by you cost. weELL, where does an immagination get you these days??? Broke.....lost....forgotton.......Oh well......oooooooops. =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: C.C.A. Subject: Meaning Date & Time: 07/01/90 00:23:49 Message Number 6121 Understood. I geeel guiltity for understood intelleget. An oooops for each to the source code. Oh well, no-one is understood for long. aaaaaId Understand an answer, it must be to return. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!! Let' make a deal........too late, too drunk....oh well!!!!! It's just a movie .....ahhhhhhhhh!?!?!?!?!? I Love You Eva........smoooooch!!!!! =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: ALL Subject: ooooops..... Date & Time: 07/01/90 14:49:11 Message Number 6123 Welp, it's much later an I'm almost sober again. WOW, a little intoxicated, my ass! I'll have to re-answer to posts that I answered last night, I think I was trying to do myself in one drink at a time. At least I remembered that I called here, I guess I wasn't totally gone. Gotta quit doin' that stuff. I'm too old to recover like I used too. . It's amazing what you can (and can't) type when you're totally bombed...hehe. Think I need one of those intoxication switches on my PC so I don't DRINK AND POST. Well......see all you guys around. Just moved my PC into the house (it was in a home-made office in my garage ) so I can be comfortable when I post and work. s'later a sssssssssslightly sssssssssssorry ssssssssssSNAKEBYTE . . =========== From: DONTHEN To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: jokes Date & Time: 07/01/90 14:56:45 Message Number 6124 > Does anyone else out there think 98 might kick 95's ass if 95 doesn't > dump some of their ads? [detoxed version] In a word, no. 98 lacks the variety YNF has--their playlist is all metal and hard rock, and almost entirely current. You'll hear Poison's new song on there, assuming you wanted to, and you'll hear "Lips and Hips" every hour on the hour, but you're not likely to hear too much old Moody Blues, any of Bruce Hornsby's stuff or the new ones from Jeff Lynne and David Beirweiler. They also play just about as many ads as 95 does, and their self-promotions are downright obnoxious. I've flipped channels on them more than once because I don't like being told how stupid I am for liking 95. The "New" 98 Rock has the same format as the OLD 98 Rock from a decade ago--something nobody seems to have noticed yet--and the grace, wit and charm of a Smurf-metal version of the "Power Pig." =========== From: TURTLE To: RUFUS Subject: Star Trek: TNG Date & Time: 07/01/90 15:09:24 Message Number 6125 >Marina Sirtis had damned well better be back! Preferably with a lower >neck line! Well, in a manner of speaking, yes. I've just heard from Apocryphal Publications, Ltd. (a division of Turtle Press) that Miss Sirtis has agreed to re-sign with the cast of ST:TNG on the condition that her character is more fully developed. Specifically, she wants her character to be depicted in a more realistic fashion, with hobbies (Denubian belly-dancing) and interests (the logistics of zero-gee orgies) outside of Starfleet. =========== From: TURTLE To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: computers Date & Time: 07/01/90 15:13:51 Message Number 6126 >weELL, where does an imagination get you these days??? In bed with Troi in a Denubian belly-dancer's outfit (and attitude)? =========== From: RUFUS To: TURTLE Subject: Star Trek: TNG Date & Time: 07/01/90 18:55:24 Message Number 6127 >Denubian belly-dancing...the logistics of zero-gee orgies... Ohh....goodie goodie goodie. Maybe we'll soon see "Troi Look alike contests" at some Cons. Fun fun fun./ =========== From: THRUD To: TURTLE Subject: cleavage queen Date & Time: 07/01/90 19:05:16 Message Number 6128 Much as I'd like to believe this, we all know that the ever lovely Troi has three breasts too few to be a Denubian Belly Dancer. And we all know that 0 Gee orgies have been passe on Betazoid(?) for decades, even years now. BTW, I finally saw "Hunt for Red October" (exellent) and did anyone notice who Jack Ryan's wife was? Gates McFadden ! Our very own Dr. Beverly. She was only on in the very beginning, had one or two lines and was never seen again. I wonder if the TNG crew will have the stereotyping problem the ST crew did, it seems like none of the ST gang really had any major successes afterwards. No, I do not count TJ Hooker as a success. =========== From: ANGEL To: TURTLE Subject: ... Date & Time: 07/01/90 22:38:46 Message Number 6130 "Yes, it's a new outfit!" She was wondering how many times she'd have to draw that fact to the reptile's attention before it sunk in. "And you don't have to duck. The ship's safely anchored in harbor. She's a lovely thing, a hermaphrodite brig fast as the wind. I'm looking for a good shantyman, would you like to go to sea?" The Turtle turned an even deeper shade of green at the thought of a sea-cruise. =========== From: THRUD To: ANGEL Subject: ... Date & Time: 07/01/90 23:11:25 Message Number 6131 "Gnu outfit! How dare you wear a gnu outfit." A previously somniculous mass rose from a dark corner of the room. Vafthrudner, frost giant of Denmark, approached the mortals gathered round the bar. "Abuse not the cloven creatures of my domain, lest ye feel the ardor of my club. I didst smite Oden himself whenst he thought to cross my land. Better you should turn yon shellhead," gesturing at Turtle, "into a pair of shoes, than mess around with any of my gnus." With a benign smile, the giant gestured to the barkeep. "I am Vafthrudner, gentlefolk, but you may call me Thrud." As he reached for the freshly proffered mug, the titan realized there was a burning candle within. "FOOL, I wanted a Bud Lite!" =========== From: RUFUS To: THRUD Subject: cleavage queen Date & Time: 07/01/90 23:54:07 Message Number 6132 >No, I do not count TJ Hooker as a success. How about "Rescue 911?" Did you happen to catch our friend Bill in a movie called, I think, "Kingdom of the Spiders," about these spiders that overrun a town. Wow...what a movie. =========== From: RUFUS To: ALL Subject: Public message Date & Time: 07/01/90 23:58:17 Message Number 6133 And now, a public message: Griffle-snibbits. This message payed for by SKRAM (Society to Keep Rufus' Mental health). ...okay, it doesn't fit that much. =========== From: BEATLE To: RUFUS Subject: cleavage queen Date & Time: 07/02/90 13:49:20 Message Number 6135 > How about "Rescue 911?" I would say it was a success. It won a People's Choice Award, and was renewed (not because of ratings!). > "Kingdom of the Spiders" Our friend Bill directed the sequel. Yes, sequel. I hope that I never have to see that movie. If he can foul up the sequel to a GREAT movie, I wonder how bad the sequel to a BAD movie would be. =========== From: RUFUS To: BEATLE Subject: cleavage queen Date & Time: 07/02/90 14:06:35 Message Number 6136 There was a sequel to "Kingdom of the Spiders?" Gee, seeing how the spiders managed to encase the whole town in webbing, I don't see how they managed a sequel. With Bill directing it, I don't think /I'd/ watch it, and I watch things like "Class of Nuke 'Em High." =========== From: JONBOY To: TREE BEARD Subject: express Date & Time: 07/02/90 20:27:13 Message Number 6137 Sorry I've been away (no - my own free will!) actually a self-imposed isolation - anyway _ thanks! I've heard it's wax,cloth, dye but how in HELL do ya get the stuff off the cloth????! Anyway I will look forwa to further elucidation when the books are available. Thanx again =========== From: JONBOY To: ALL Subject: Ziggy Date & Time: 07/02/90 20:46:48 Message Number 6138 oooohhhh! I'm in heaven! They released David Bowie's Ziggy Stardust on CD!!! I snarfed it up hot from the delivery van. My ex wife screwed my LP up in a fit 5 years ago and I've been bereft! =========== From: JONBOY To: ALL Subject: Vanishing Point Date & Time: 07/02/90 20:48:42 Message Number 6139 Hi folks! sorry that I've been away for awhile. I'll explain lest I get accused of stirring the fires and splitting. I've been writing a rather involved piece of software to measure thermistors (temperature sensitive resistors with a HELL of a non-linearity) and building the equipment etc etc. After a full day of true torture - I mean like nobody has done this before and I have to become an expert first - I really had no desire at all to turn on any of my systems at home. Unbelievable even to myself but true.... matter of fact there are a lot of late-nite empty mugs at Brenton Reef to attest to my abiding interest after work. Guess what! Now that it's over - I get to do it AGAIN!! But this time 42 of them at once on a machine that we affectionately call "The Octopus". groan.... JonBoy =========== From: JONBOY To: LADY IN BLACK Subject: ...Earth Callin Date & Time: 07/02/90 21:04:44 Message Number 6140 Look for mail in the private E-mail from me... Has it been /that/ busy? JonBoy =========== From: THRUD To: RUFUS Subject: our friend Bill Date & Time: 07/02/90 21:36:10 Message Number 6141 Bills record - ST - great Barbary Coast - bust TJ Hooker - bust (exept for Heather) Directing ST movies - bust 911 - get serious, do any of yall watch this Spiders - well, back before I detoxed, I kinda liked it Did I miss anything ? I did see him in death valley days or some such late at night on USA - he played an immigrant farmer who had to roll around and fight in the mud, perhaps thats how he got the Kirk roll. =========== From: TURTLE To: RUFUS Subject: Star Trek: TNG Date & Time: 07/03/90 01:02:42 Message Number 6144 "Troi look-alike contests" would be a good thing to see..."Troi act- alike contests" would be better. Particularly if the show /does/ get hobby as a Denubian belly-dancer. If they don't, i guess an act-alike concert would be limited to dispensing sage advice in an incredibly somber fashion, but hey. It'd also be nice to get Marina Sirtis to come to a Furry Party some time... =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: DONTHEN Subject: jokes Date & Time: 07/03/90 02:09:03 Message Number 6145 I think I'll have to agree with you after today. I listened to 98 at lunch today and heard the same song twice in less then a half an hour. . I wish 95 would screen their ad's a little closer and at least make them geared towards the audience (US) that they KNOW they have. I guess I fall for 98 in the afternoons when their format seems a little more 'flowing' then 95's and they usually don't have a 'live' DJ on . Don't even talk to me about the Power Pig...... =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: TURTLE Subject: computers Date & Time: 07/03/90 02:13:01 Message Number 6146 >In bed with Troi in a Denubian belly-dancer's outfit (and attitude)? Yeah, I think I was there Saturday nite. (I still have a problem typing I as 'I' and not 'i', It was rough....). Don't care to visit there any time soon, I think I got kicked out but I managed to retain the belly-dancer's outfit...... =========== From: RUFUS To: TURTLE Subject: Star Trek: TNG Date & Time: 07/03/90 11:03:02 Message Number 6147 What I'd like to see is "ST:TNG meets the Bundys." Patrick Stuart could play Al, the Dr. could play Peggy, Will Wheaton could play Bud, and Marina Sirtis could play Kelly Bundy. Could make for some interesting scripts. ...Jean-Luc with one hand down his pants and Troi in a mini-skirt. =========== From: KEN OBER To: RUFUS Subject: cleavage queen Date & Time: 07/03/90 14:41:32 Message Number 6148 Hey! I liked TJ Hooker and Rescue 911!!!! I think old Will should do SUPER SNACKER commercials, tho... =========== From: JONBOY To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: jokes Date & Time: 07/03/90 22:09:20 Message Number 6149 I almost wanted to barf one morning listining to the idiots on 98 pulling a "wild and cahrayzie guys" routine and trying to tell me why they were so much "cooler" than 95. And then to top it off they started to act like being a delinquent in school was the ultimate - I wouldn't listen to those creeps on a bad bet. After all - I would fear for when the music finally stopped and I would have to listen to them again! Ron & Ron carry things a bit far sometimes but are by and large one of the best DJ's I've heard. They are comparable to Dr. Don Rose in San Francisco and he is of international fame. =========== From: JONBOY To: ALL Subject: Earth? Date & Time: 07/03/90 22:14:52 Message Number 6150 I just noticed... where's Chip? Lady in Black? Acapulco Gold? Even Yngling is sparse of late... By the way Turtle... I finally was forced to put the Apple together so the CP/M stuff is "available". I will see if I can capture a directory and comment it as to what the stuff is and then you can pick-n-choose. I finally took the box of books aout of my car as it was obvious I was gonna be delayed awhile. I will try again next week. Leave me yer address again in case I lost it 18 something in the apartments next to SuperAmerica etc etc. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: THRUD Subject: ober Date & Time: 07/03/90 23:49:53 Message Number 6151 T> And since Ober...is sure to stick his nose in here, may I add that T> anyone who professes to hate everyone on TNG and watches it anyhow T> must either have now life other than TV, or perhaps has not yet T> mastered the remote control. If that's who I think it is, then well spoken. Funny! (Sorry, I just got here...I've been reviewing all the old messages.) =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: KEN OBER Subject: BBS Date & Time: 07/03/90 23:57:22 Message Number 6152 Yeah, Yeah....ok already. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: HD Date & Time: 07/03/90 23:59:44 Message Number 6153 About your hard drive...could you tell me exactly what is the problem? I work on PC's & other computers for a living...(hrumph), maybe I can help. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: RUFUS Subject: cleavage queen Date & Time: 07/04/90 00:08:14 Message Number 6154 Kingdom of the Spiders...very third rate. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: THRUD Subject: our friend Bill Date & Time: 07/04/90 00:11:51 Message Number 6155 Yeah, you missed an episode of Kung Fu...where he was a Scot, and (fool) tried to take Kane in a fist fight.... Lost, of course. (Different script writers.) =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: ALL Subject: I'm Back! Date & Time: 07/04/90 00:32:40 Message Number 6156 Crispan walks in just as the two uniformed men are leaving the bar. He can't help but notice that one looks a little reluctant, while the other looks as if he'd rather be sitting in some dentist's chair. He passes the piano, noting the repiar work on the wall behind it, and moves over to sit at the bar, one seat down from where Angel and Turtle are facing a large, brutishly dressed man. Xon walks over, still looking with a slight intrest at the large man. "Well," he says at last "look who's back. What would you like?" Crispan thinks momentarily about the mead, but remembering the last time he'd had some, decides on somthing different. "Something..." he speaks louder, to talk over the (hollow, noisy) music. "Something in a bottle, that has a seal on it." Xon frowns briefly, then grins. "Right." He returns in a second, with a sealed bottle of water. "Here." Crispan looks over, and speaks loudly, "So who's the Norse Giant?" His words fall nicely into the abrupt silence the ending song leaves. =========== From: RUFUS To: JONBOY Subject: Earth? Date & Time: 07/04/90 01:26:36 Message Number 6157 Jonboy, you wouldn't happen to have a spare serial card sitting around you'd like to part with? It would go for a good cause, mainly my BBS. So far, all the hardware I have for it is used, and if it all speaks with one another after I put them in the Franklin Ace 1000 (the case that can withstand at least 160 lbs. standing on it) I'll have the BBS up and running. =========== From: RUFUS To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: cleavage queen Date & Time: 07/04/90 01:29:22 Message Number 6158 The Specialist! He's back and he's reviewing movies. I didn't catch all of "...Spiders" and it was on at 3 a.m. or so. The only thing that kept me from turning it off was my friend screaming "Kirk." ..."Scotty, beam us up. We're surrounded by spiders." =========== From: DONTHEN To: JONBOY Subject: Earth? Date & Time: 07/04/90 01:53:15 Message Number 6159 Well, Chip is in Washington, DC, doing work for the Republican party (trying to convince minorities that they should vote Republican, a job he doesn't seem a likely candidate for -- especially since he isn't a Republican). Acapulco seems to have dropped back to only calling the Suncoast City BBS. This is doubly annoying now that "Ranean Tales" has started again; we've had to push his character to a back table finally to get things rolling, since a lot of the /other/ characters were waiting on him from when the story left off. =========== From: THRUD To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: slivovitz Date & Time: 07/04/90 15:59:23 Message Number 6163 "Vafthrudner of Aalborg, friend, a homeless wanderer in a strange land." With that, the colossus tosses down his Bud Light and slams a gold coin on the bar and glares at Xon. "Now might you bring a tankard befitting a Frost Giant of the Old Order! And while you're at it bring a round of Sliv for me and these three here," indicating Crispin, Turtle and Angel. "Are you Rooshins?" the gargantuan Dane queries the threesome. "The Rooshins sank a nukular submereen off my island and poisoned my land - I'll not drink with Rooshins." As Xon hurries over with the drinks, Thrud remembers that there is a Vikings game on TV and asks him to change the channel. Noticing that the bar is silent and all eyes are upon him, Vafthrudner blushes and gestures at the piano. "Does anybody know 'Ride of the Valkyrie?'" =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: RUFUS Subject: New subject. Date & Time: 07/04/90 17:01:45 Message Number 6164 R> I didn't catch all of "...Spiders" ... Don't feel deprived. R>..."Scotty, beam us up. We're surrounded by spiders." "Coptan! Uh canna do it! The taransporters are covered with tribbles!" =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: THRUD Subject: piano Date & Time: 07/04/90 17:07:42 Message Number 6165 Turtle, Angel and Crispan all echange glances. "No," ventures Crispan, "but I know a little chopsticks." He gets up and starts towards the piano. "Waitaminute. I spent good money on that, and I'll not have anyone messing it up." Angel gets up and starts browsing the rolls. "Now, let me see." She starts picking over titles, mumbling "Too dumb, too sappy, too...." Crispan shrugs, and heads back to the bar. As he sits, he notices the blank stare that Turtle is giving him. Crispan waves his hand. "Hello? Anyone home?" Turtle blinks. Crispan looks nonplussed, and turns his attention to the Giant. "..." Turtle jumps to life. "Crispan! I thought I knew you. You know, I was saying to myself, I'll bet that I know that guy, I've seen him some where before, but I could not for the life of me figure out where! I was thinking, Metallica concert? Rush concert? Noooo, not those, but I just knew that I knew you! I saw you here, last night! Right?" He looks away, frowning. "Or was it?" Crispan looks at Xon, who shrugs and looks away. He turns his attention to the Giant, once more. "So, thanks for the drink. Where..." "'Ows 'at?" Angel has changed the roll in the piano player, which is now plinking out some outlandish tune in a slightly sharp key. "I mean, 'How is that?'" =========== From: DONTHEN To: ALL Subject: * Date & Time: 07/04/90 17:54:20 Message Number 6166 [From Xonzoff] "What's a television?" I say, suddenly tired. It's only, what, half past noon and somebody's ordering a round? Angel already has a drink and gives me a quizzical look when I bring her another one; I point at the giant in explanation. Where DID that fox go, anyway? =========== From: TURTLE To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: computers Date & Time: 07/05/90 01:58:49 Message Number 6171 >Yeah, I think I was there [in bed with Troi in a Denubian belly- >dancer's outfit] Saturday night... And you're COMPLAINING? Hell, I'd give Donthen's right arm to go to bed with Troi! I'm particularly attracted to her nice, large... shoulder blades. Her knees aren't half-bad, either. Come to think of it, she doesn't have any body part that's half bad, and she has more than a few that are more than half-good...ahem, I'm going to stop now. ...so what'd you do with the outfit? =========== From: TURTLE To: KEN OBER Subject: cleavage queen Date & Time: 07/05/90 02:01:46 Message Number 6172 Bill Shatner's perfect role: making Froot-Loops commercials. That way, nobody would care that he can't direct for diddly squat. =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: Earth? Date & Time: 07/05/90 02:03:03 Message Number 6173 >...where's Chip? Washington. >...the Lady? Blown five motherboards in two weeks...aah, IBM. >Acapulco Gold? Workin' for Info World, and too busy to call out. As far as CP/M stuff goes: I'd be quite happy--nay, absolutely ecstatic, running over with joy--to see your CP/M catalog. I'm currently residing at 1895 Sanford Circle; that's the apartment complex right between De Soto Rd. and SuperAmerica on 301 (we have our very own traffic light now, so you can't miss it even if you try), in Building 12; just look for a remarkably ugly gray Baja Bug. Also, if you'd like an obsolete computer or two to take home with you, hey, it's a buyer's market over here. Just moved machine #12 (a Heath H-89 with a ton and a half of peripherals and about a dozen 77-track 5.25" floppy drives) in here, and my other half is quite unamused. (Heck, she'd probably pay /you/ to take some of the TRS-80's...) =========== From: TURTLE To: WYVERNERS Subject: Goin' Nowhere Date & Time: 07/05/90 02:12:26 Message Number 6174 Xon arrives with drinks; Turtle looks at his uncomprehendingly, then with a "what the hell" expression tosses it back and turns to the towering Norse myth. "Uh, you know, Crispan being here reminds me of this time this really large nasty-looking person came running after me with a club, and....awwqk!" He gasps, stares wildly around with the look of a man who's just noticed that his house is on fire and there's a six hundred pound kangaroo rat lunching on his Porsche, then picks up the empty mug and turns it over. "What was THAT, battery acid with just a touch of lime??!! Yikes, anyway, this guy was coming after me with thi club, because I was trying to get into this tent, see, where there was this wizard...you know, that's really obnmoxious music. Hey, Crispan, know anyplace I can find shells for a...never mind. You know, there's this turnip farmer named Crispan in Raneahdros somewhere. He has NO life. Maybe I should give him mine." The turtle turns back to the bar, picks up the mug again, and gazes into its depths searching for enlightenment, looking for all the world like he dearly wished someone would come along and say somethig profound to the sound of soulful music. When it didn't happen, he looked around again, and brightened. "Say! You don't have anyone chasing after you with illegal weapons today! I bet you're happy about that, huh?" =========== From: RUFUS To: TURTLE Subject: Earth? Date & Time: 07/05/90 13:43:30 Message Number 6175 >>...the Lady? > >Blown five motherboards in two weeks...aah, IBM. FIVE MOTHERBOARDS IN TWO WEEKS!? How? BTW, she was on CofC yesterday. =========== From: BEATLE To: DONTHEN Subject: Earth? Date & Time: 07/05/90 14:22:23 Message Number 6176 > Chip...trying to convince minorities...Republican Does he support legislation against flag burning? =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: computers Date & Time: 07/05/90 14:24:52 Message Number 6177 > doesn't have any body part that's half bad,... Sure, but I personally think she's a little too thin. She's still quite interesting to drool over. By the way, would you like a picture of Troi to scan into the Mac and do some "modification" a la Kei & Yuri?? =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: cleavage queen Date & Time: 07/05/90 14:27:03 Message Number 6178 > Froot-Loops commercials. "And now, William Shatner for Froot-Loops..." ::William Shatner, without his girdle:: "Hello, I'm William Shatner, you may remember me as Captain Kirk on Star Trek, and if you don't remember that, you have no idea in hell who I am. Kelloggs has generously agreed to double my normal appearance fee to tell you how much I love Froot-Loops. As a matter of fact, through the 70's when I was out of work, Froot-Loops helped me attain my current weight of a trim 346 pounds. Also, if you buy Froot-Loops now, you'll get a free glow-in-the-dark plastic 1-inch replica of the Enterprise. So, follow my girth and enjoy the weighty taste of Froot-Loops.... Did I hear someone say Super Snacker??" =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: Earth? Date & Time: 07/05/90 14:32:41 Message Number 6179 >> Where's Chip? > Washington. Is that supposed to be GOOD news or BAD news? =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: ALL Subject: drink Date & Time: 07/05/90 17:14:59 Message Number 6181 Crispan notes Turtles violent reaction to the drink called "Silva" and decides immdiately against imbibement of any sort. He waits till the Giant turns to listen to Turtle, and dumps it into the spitoon next to him. It dissapears with hardly a sound. He wonders briefly if such a substance could be illegal, but dismisses the idea. He sets the empty glass on the counter and turns to answer Turtle's question. "Yes." Turtle waits for a few seconds, probably expecting Crispan to say more, but then turns his mad harrange back to the giant. Crispan turns his attention to Angel. "So, you got a ship, did you? Tell me all about it. I like ships." =========== From: JONBOY To: RUFUS Subject: Calling... Date & Time: 07/05/90 20:59:27 Message Number 6184 Well, I only have one super serial card that I use to convince my Apple that there really are other computers - nice computers that will talk in a nice sort of way given the proper circumstances... I would rather not cripple my Apple beyond the framework of what it already is.. I DO have a Prometheus 1200 baud modem that I will dispose of for the absolutely ridiculous sum of $75. It is an internal modem that exactly imitates the supers serial card with a HAYES 1200 stuck on it. I have to shake my head when I think that I paid $340 for it 5 years ago! Anyway - I understood that 1200 is what you'd be running anyway. I really do use the serial card to talk to my CP/M machines and my IBM's. I *still* have to use my Apple to get certain Statistical work done because I don't have anything that works on the IBM. Mostly I need software that curve-fits - preferably to a specified degree polynomial. Anyone know of anything? JonBoy =========== From: JONBOY To: DONTHEN Subject: Earth? Date & Time: 07/05/90 21:07:16 Message Number 6185 Hehhe - have him piss off the Frost Giant and get turned into a grease spot for his efforts! Serve him right after his rather "klunky" entrance which forced quite a bit of jockying around for everyone. And THEN to further stir the mud by getting moony-eyed over another recent arrival "whasshername". Ya 'know a story line can only stand so much before it starts to sound like Danielle Steele is scripting it! I will probably enter my character after a suitable interval AND I get a better "feel" for the story line - I can't help but wish some of the others had been so inclined. A Lit-Crit JonBoy =========== From: JONBOY To: TURTLE Subject: Nahhhh! Date & Time: 07/05/90 21:16:28 Message Number 6186 Gee! And I thought summers were for screwing off and felt bad - where the hell did these folks get the burst of ambition. Gee - too bad about Lady having motherboard problems - if you know how to get in touch with her I have an 8 Mhz XT motherboard she can plug in until hers gets straightened out. Or mayhaps she would like to borrow my laptop. Or I even have an assembled 12 Mhz XT with a 20 meg harddrive! As for the CP/M stuff - I will be happy to get a listing - I have tons of CPMUG stuff which some is garbage & some is Gold. There are enough programming languages to keep anyone going plus macro processors games DBASE, SuperCalc, WordStar, Project Management stuff, too much fer my feeble brain to remember but it is on about 200 floppies. I got rid of an H-89 when I left Utah too! 2 floppies, HDOS and a H-19 terminal (also an ADM-3A and an ADDS Viewpoint) I still have the cassette software (debugger, BASIC etc) if you want it... Lessee - I'll see your TRS-80 model I and raise you an Osborne I! I know how wimmin are - I just got rid of one -- no sense of humor when it comes to toys - I mean they actually ask questions like :why do you need another computer? What a silly question!!! (Hope Crystal doesn't take this serious!) JonBoy =========== From: JONBOY To: BEATLE Subject: computers Date & Time: 07/05/90 21:29:16 Message Number 6187 Gimme the MAC and I'll suck it into a couple of rendering packages that I have (hehehehehehe oh boy.....) =========== From: RUFUS To: BEATLE Subject: cleavage queen Date & Time: 07/06/90 01:41:42 Message Number 6188 Your really weird. But at least that was amazingly funny. =========== From: RUFUS To: JONBOY Subject: Calling... Date & Time: 07/06/90 01:44:14 Message Number 6189 yea, I'll be running at 1200 baud. I tried using a Prometheus ProModem w/ the BBS software. The software just belched and the card hid in the corner. That was my first modem, which I sold to get an Apple Cat (damned fine modem, just the fact that I had to send it to California every week kinda pissed me off. Relay never worked right.). Luckily, the people I got it from refunded my money. Then I purchased a VenTel from a friend (that's what the BBS will be using). Then I picked up another modem the last day of school which I later sold to The Specialist. Now I have a 2400 baud Zoom (aack, gag) modem. And somewhere in there I lent the VenTel out to Donthen. Like you really care about the history of my modems. =========== From: CRYSTAL To: JONBOY Subject: Nahhhh! Date & Time: 07/07/90 14:14:32 Message Number 6191 Don't worry JohBoy when it to comes to Turtle and ANOTHER computer I just close my eyes and hope he picks the right answer. But fitting more then 13 computers in an apartment this size is crazy. * CRYSTAL * =========== From: DONTHEN To: BEATLE Subject: Earth? Date & Time: 07/06/89 21:54:37 Message Number 6192 No, Chip doesn't support legislation against flag burning. Go back and reread the original message -- he's not a Republican. (This is not to say that all Republicans are for legislation against flag burning, but it seems to be a real big partisan issue now that there's nothing else more pressing for the two "sides" to argue about.) =========== From: DONTHEN To: JONBOY Subject: Earth? Date & Time: 07/06/89 22:02:32 Message Number 6193 Actually, the guy getting moony-eyed over Oversoul Seven's character, Deva, was "Lord Valar," who seems to have vanished once again into the mists of BBS'ing. I'm going to try to get some of the Ranea stories over here for downloading for people who are interested in learning more about the world. My computer was actually turned on for the first time in three months yesterday -- everything works (amazingly enough), but the keyboard is almost completely shot. The spacebar is effectively dead, making the system unusable for, well, just about anything, especially BBS'ing and word processing. =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: HD Date & Time: 07/06/89 22:57:07 Message Number 6195 Okay, about my disk. A freind of mine at work has a PC that came down from Chicago last year and it is used to run AutoCAD. The other day it woke up dead. I checked it out and it would not recognize that there even was a C: drive. He took it to CAD CENT ===========