discard I don't understand the term "DISCARD" in this context. You may enter ? to view the full menu. FORUM>Reply, Add, Read, "?" or Exit> }¢̣discard I don't understand the term "DISCARD" in this context. You may enter ? to view the full menu. FORUM>Reply, Add, Read, "?" or Exit> . 89920 12-SEP 23:15 OSK Applications RE: download problems (Re: Msg 89919) From: PAGAN To: MITHELEN >The corrected archive for the OS-9 Late Night 94/08/29 conferance is now in >the New Uploads Database. Thank you for the prompt reply. I d/l'ed the new one and it extracted fine. Stephen (PAGAN) Enter FOLLOW for related Message(s). FORUM>Reply, Add, Read, "?" or Exit> discard I don't understand the term "DISCARD" in this context. You may enter ? to view the full menu. FORUM>Reply, Add, Read, "?" or Exit> read new nonstop follow 89921 12-SEP 23:16 OSK Applications RE: download problems (Re: Msg 89911) From: PAGAN To: EDELMAR >I just downloaded os9ln_8_29.lzh using Tim's older 'xy'. Download was >fine. Used 'lha' version 2.06 to extract. Did this on my IV. I use >Sprint. Speed was 9600 baud. I d/l'ed the corrected version and it extracted fine. Still doesn't explain why the .gz file caused problem. I'll try to grab it as a .Z file and see what happens. >Do you think California Sprint/MCI nodes may be suffering because of defense >cut-backs ? Why not? Everything else in the state is. Seriously, both MCI and Sprint are very unreliable at 9600 out here. I've complained to them several times and they keep putting the blame on Delphi. Delphi claims the problem is with MCI or Sprint - whichever I had the latest problem on. I think it must be that new "Tattler" the government has patrolling the Info Sighway. Stephen (PAGAN) -*- 89925 13-SEP 05:39 OSK Applications RE: download problems (Re: Msg 89921) From: EDELMAR To: PAGAN Stephen, > ... Still doesn't explain why the .gz file caused problem. ... I'm not familar with the '.gz' extension - could that be one of the zip formats? Ed -*- 89928 13-SEP 12:16 OSK Applications RE: download problems (Re: Msg 89925) From: MITHELEN To: EDELMAR ".gz" is a GNU-Zip (or gzip) file. It is very much like "compress" (even handles compress ".Z" files) but does MUCH better compression. gzip is usuallt used in conjunction with tar (or gtar), since gzip itself does not make archives (just compresses/decompresses) -- Paul -*- 89946 14-SEP 06:32 OSK Applications RE: download problems (Re: Msg 89925) From: SCWEGERT To: EDELMAR > I'm not familar with the '.gz' extension - could that be one of the zip > formats? > That's the default extension for gzip or gnuzip. *- rmUIX tar'd files that use hyphens in the directory/file names - it converts them to underscores. I may have it but can't remember the name. It uses the following rule - BEGIN { if (match( $1, @[FILE-ABC]@ ) ) $1 = "FILE_ABC"; } Do you know the program I'm referring to and where it can be found (just in case I lost it)? Ed -*- 89971 16-SEP 13:13 OSK Applications RE: download problems (Re: Msg 89970) From: MITHELEN To: EDELMAR Um... I think gtar is on chestnut (It may also be here) Not sure of the versiom you are talking about, I think the version I have on my MM/1 handles file name conversion properly, although, it doesn't seem to like tar tapes created on my Sun. -*- End of Thread. -*- 89922 13-SEP 00:07 General Information RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89915) From: DBREEDING To: CHARLESAM > Thanx Dave, I got all the parts numbers and will order this week. If I > run into a problem with something I don't understand, I'll give a shout. > You have been a savior with this project. Well, You don't have it going yet (G)... I believe I've told you right on the hookup... The main thing is to be sure you have your pin 1's all right. If I've told you wrong on anything, hopefully someone here will catch it and correct it. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 *** ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ -*- 89924 13-SEP 04:15 General Information RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89888) From: MREGC To: PHXKEN > ... so the Best Buy and Best and Service Merchandise sales... Best? I went looking for CD-i at the Best across from Fiesta and only found Sega and Nintendo. Which Best did you find CD-i at? What kind of selection of titles do they have? ..Eric... -*- 89979 17-SEP 07:35 General Information RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89914) From: PHXKEN To: CHARLESAM The CD-i can be hooked to your TV or to some monitors. My new cheaper model has an external RF Modulator for connection to the TV but I don't use it since I am connected to an old CoCo Color Composite Monitor. I use my living room stereo for the sound but I could just use the TV or the monitors mono sound. Some of the programs that I have actually present an on screen keyboard to access via the joystick in order to save files in a filename of my choosing. Later! -*- 89981 17-SEP 07:52 General Information RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89924) From: PHXKEN To: MREGC I did not find a CD-i at BEST. I did find their ad in the fall catalog that said it would be available in "my" store on Sept 15th with the Combo video cartridge and Magnavox 450 and two programs for under $500. Full page ad. I live in Arizona. -*- 89997 18-SEP 01:09 General Information RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89981) From: MREGC To: PHXKEN Ken, > I did not find a CD-i at Best. I did find their ad in the fall catalog... Actually, I went back into the Best across from Fiesta Mall and they have the new non-DV model on display, plus a decent number of titles. > I live in Arizona. Did you just not think about who you were replying to or did you really not know that I'm in Phoenix too? We've been talking about Best Buy and the new Incredible Universe and I've been mentioning Fiesta Mall as a reference point. In fact, I came to an informal meeting of your users group a couple of years back in the East Valley, but couldn't make your regular meetings as they conflicted with my work schedule. ..Eric... -*- 90006 18-SEP 21:43 General Information RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89979) From: CHARLESAM To: PHXKEN Thats all I need to know. It looks like I'll have to get down to my nearest Consumer's and check out prices. I was waiting till I upgraded because I thought I had to connect via Computer but you've enlightened me on that score. Thanx For your replies, regards ...Charlie... -*- End of Thread. -*- 89923 13-SEP 00:53 OSK Applications RE: Kterm (Re: Msg 89878) From: TIMKIENTZLE To: VAXELF Well, having spent much of the last 8 years delving into the arcane details of VT100 compatibility, I find myself disagreeing with your claim that ``the area that [KWindows] is not compatible, is that noticible (sic)'' KWindows is _not_ a particularly accurate VT100 emulation, and if your program relies on KWindows for it's VT100 emulation, then I can tell you that I won't be making very heavy use of KTerm. - Tim P.S. I should disclaim that I'm only using KWindows ed. 48. It is possible that newer editions have better emulation. -*- 89934 13-SEP 20:20 OSK Applications RE: Kterm (Re: Msg 89923) From: VAXELF To: TIMKIENTZLE You should try the later releases. So far I have not found a system that did not respond correctly. I have notice, that not all BBS's use standard ANSI coding and the newer ANSI Music codes do make KWindows hickup. John D. -*- End of Thread. -*- 89926 13-SEP 08:40 Applications (6809) RE: SOFTWARE (Re: Msg 89875) From: DONALDS To: MORRISA (NR) 10.00 plus1 for shipping; hows that sound. Don -*- 89927 13-SEP 08:44 Applications (6809) RE: SOFTWARE (Re: Msg 89875) From: DONALDS To: MORRISA (NR) I forgot to add my address- Don Strunk PO box 1066 Sagle, ID 83860 -*- End of Thread. -*- 89929 13-SEP 14:36 General Information CONFERENCE NOTICE From: MROWEN01 To: ALL Some of you may be aware that I am posting conference info on the cocolist and the os9ers list. I am also passing conference info that I get on other on-line services for the purposes of communication between communities. I hope this info will possibly nurture cooperation between OS9 communities. Each Sunday from 7-8PM ET, the Coco Real Time Conference is held on GEnie. I do not have any info on topics yet. I also do not know if this includes all flavors of OS9 or simply addresses the Coco. I will post an update when this is made clear. If you know about other conferences (non-Delphi) please send me a mail message. Thanks Mike Rowen mrowen01@delphi.com rowen@fwa.natp.gmeds.com -*- 89930 13-SEP 14:47 General Information FYI Radio Shack Products From: MROWEN01 To: ALL The following RS items for OS9 are listed in the current Consumer Mail Center catalog: OS9 C Compiler 26-3038 $69.99 OS9 Development System 26-3032 $79.99 Multi-Vue 26-3035 $29.95 Pascal 26-3034 $49.95 B Basic09 and others are still listed. These are the ones I scratched down. just ask to see the consumer mail catalog at your local Radio Shack. -Mike -*- 89931 13-SEP 20:07 Programmers Den Syscall+Basic09 From: CPERRAULT To: ALL I am reading (yet again) the tech section of the OS-9 Level Two manual and am trying to make sense of a lot of the syscall stuff I was trying to understand before. Online forums are really the only place I can get further information relating to this. The Tech manual makes a great reference section, but does not, as I said before, supply anything to the novice who needs to understand more about how syscall works before attempting too much. I am just listing some miscelleaneous questions here that are popping up regarding syscall. 1) There are many prefixes to the calls, which causes confusion as to what goes with what else. For instance there are File Descriptor related calls(FD) and Path descriptor calls(PD) in the RBF part. What is the difference between these. Is there any relation between these and the other calls such as those that begin with "V.","IT.","F$","I$", etc... 2) What is the Path number, which is normally option letter 'A' in the calls I read, associated with? What's it for? 3) Do you pretty much have to have a knowledge of Assembly Language in order to understand System calls? In David Breedings reply to me, where he supplied me with the undocumented(can you believe it) SS.FD call, it goes as follows: A=path #(again, what would that be?) B=$0F (wouldn't this already be specified in 'Run Syscall' command parameter?) X=ADDR(buf) (I imagine in my case of filename, the variable 'Fname' would go in the 'buf' section?) Y= # of bytes to read (How does one know?) Sorry about the unlimited amount of ignorance here, but it seems no matter what,I still wind up lost. David's previous message did make things look a little easier, but I was still pretty useless when it came to applying it. Does anyone see where I'm coming from? See Ya! >Chris< -*- 89935 13-SEP 21:09 Programmers Den RE: Syscall+Basic09 (Re: Msg 89931) From: JEJONES To: CPERRAULT > 1) There are many prefixes to the calls, which causes confusion > as to what goes with what else. For instance there are File Descriptor > related calls(FD) and Path descriptor calls(PD) in the RBF part. What > is the difference between these. Is there any relation between these > and the other calls such as those that begin with > "V.","IT.","F$","I$", etc... OK...like the poem says, today we have Naming of Parts. :-) First, though, you need to know what an OS-9 system call really is underneath. On the 6809, an OS-9 system call is implemented as follows: SWI2 The is a real live numeric value that the operating system can look at, because the SWI2 (software interrupt) saves the address of what would normally be the next instruction--the operating system looks there, picks up the value, and uses it to decide which system call the user wants. The F$, I$ are symbols that are defined in assembly language header files, and via those in a library that you can link against. Those symbols are defined to have the numeric values that get plugged in after the SWI2. There's one of them for each system call, and they're named to suggest the system calls they represent. The FD., PD., V., and so forth, are different. They are also symbols defined in assembly language header files, but they are NOT system call numbers; they are offsets of fields in various system-related data structures, such as file descriptors or path descriptors. > 2) What is the Path number, which is normally option letter 'A' > in the calls I read, associated with? What's it for? When you write in BASIC09, for example, OPEN #path,"/p":WRITE path has to be a variable. The OPEN statement stores a value there. That value is a path number. A path number is a number OS-9 gives you to when you open a file, the idea being that whenever you want to do something to an open file, you have to identify it by the path number. (PEDANTRY ALERT: a path is in a way an entity unto itself, since you can do things to it, e.g. I$Dup. It's a connection to an open file.) > 3) Do you pretty much have to have a knowledge of Assembly > Language in order to understand System calls? All you really have to know is the interface. > Y= # of bytes to read (How does one know?) You know because you look at the description of the file descriptor sector layout in the manual, decide how much of that you need in order to get the information you want, and use that size to put in the (image of) the Y register. > Sorry about the unlimited amount of ignorance here You do yourself an injustice. You know what questions to ask, so we're talking a quite limited, and shrinking, amount of ignorance here. (Even if I totally botch the explanation, there are others who can do it right, so I'm sure about the shrinking part. :-) Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors. Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside -*- 89943 14-SEP 00:22 Programmers Den RE: Syscall+Basic09 (Re: Msg 89931) From: COCOKIWI To: CPERRAULT you need a copy of "INSIDE OS9 LEVEL II" by Kevin Darling.....it would help you greatly.....if one could get a copy now is open to..???.someone may have one spare....Dennis -*- 89965 15-SEP 23:41 Programmers Den RE: Syscall+Basic09 (Re: Msg 89931) From: DBREEDING To: CPERRAULT > 2) What is the Path number, which is normally option letter 'A' > in the calls I read, associated with? What's it for? Refer to JEJONES's reply.. Basically, if you are dealing with a file, and after having opened it, OS9 automatically attaches a path # to it, and when you open the path, it is up to you to keep up with it.. Normally, in Basic, you will want to have a variable, say, "pth", and it can either be BYTE or INTEGER, and when you issue the command OPEN, #pth, "myfile" --- you can also include an access mode, (READ,WRITE, UPDATE), (update = read OR write), or if not specified, it will be opened in UPDATE mode, I believe. If the open (or CREATE, I forgot that, works the same).. is successful, the path # will be stored in the variable "pth". > In David Breedings reply to me, where he supplied me with the > undocumented(can you believe it) SS.FD call, it goes as follows: > A=path #(again, what would that be?) > B=$0F (wouldn't this already be specified in 'Run Syscall' > command parameter?) > X=ADDR(buf) (I imagine in my case of filename, the variable > 'Fname' would go in the 'buf' section?) > Y= # of bytes to read (How does one know?) These refer to the CPU registers. To execute a system call, several of these registers will need to be loaded with certain values, and some calls use more registers than others.. BUT.. in all cases, REGISTER A will ALWAYS contain the path #. Also, in the case of the GetStt/SetStt calls, REG B will ALWAYS contain the value assigned the "SS.???" call. Before executing SysCall, you will have to set up a data structure as follows : TYPE registers=cc,a,b,dp:BYTE;X,Y,Y:INTEGER DIM Reg:registers \ (* this assigns a variable Reg defined by the structure "registers" to mimick the registers. You then assign each unit with whatever value is appropriate.. the above SS.FD call would be set up as: Reg.a := pth \ (* Using my above example Reg.b := $0F \ (* for neatness, you might previously define a BYTE variable SS_FD and set it equal to $0F, then you would say "Reg.b := SS_FD.. You can't use "SS.FD", since Basic confuses this with a structure member like Reg.b. Reg.X := ADDR(buf) \ (* Where buf is a buffer large enough to hold the File descriptor data. Reg.Y := (the # bytes you want to read into buf. Now, for neatness, I like to define my syscall #'s.. I would set up a variable (either BYTE or INTEGER) I_GtStt, and then, I_GtStt:=$8D. To do the syscall, then, you would: RUN SysCall(I_GtStt,Reg). Hope this helps... -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 *** ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ -*- 90007 18-SEP 22:46 Programmers Den RE: Syscall+Basic09 (Re: Msg 89935) From: CPERRAULT To: JEJONES >>When you write in BASIC09, for example, OPEN #path, "/p":WRITE<< Ok, that I got. I didn't realize that path number that the syscall calls for was the same as what you used in the regular programming examples such as the one you provided. This is starting to make a little more sense now, but rest assured I'll be crying for help once again. I'll get back one way or another, given I could have a working example done next time I come back. >Chris< -*- End of Thread. -*- 89932 13-SEP 20:08 General Information OS-9 Last Night From: CPERRAULT To: ALL Last night's OS-9 Late Night was another great conference. It wasn't quite so busy as the first one, but we had a steady flow of people(about 7 people in the room at a time average), and a lot of good conversation. Mike Rowen was telling us about how he got his ESDI Hard Disk system from Radio Shack. He had trouble getting it to work on the Coco and it was realised that he would have to write a whole new driver for it. Probably not worth the effort, as was said in Conference. It was good in that Rick Uland and Steve Ricketts both added a lot of harddrive and HD interface information that I found interesting, since I knew nothing about it beforehand, such as the difference in the Ken-Ton and Burke&Burke HD controller/interface. There was also more discussion about the possibility of writing an API or similar set of programs that would allow the OSK programmer to write a program that could run on any Windowing system(Kwindows,Gwindows,XWindows,Rave,etc). This would allow users to run any program that is written for this API, on the Windowing GUI of his choice. This is unlikely to happen anytime soon, but I would love to see it. Don't forget, next week Newton White of the Atlanta Computer Society will be with us for our 'See U In Atlanta' conference! This is for those who want to discuss Cocofests and more specifically, the upcoming Atlanta Fest this October. The ACS is once again sponsering the event and this is a good time to ask questions if you are interested in attending, and is also good for nostalgic talk of the fests of yesterday and the discussion of the future of these great events. Again if you are interested in attending the Atlanta fest, this is the place to be. Monday September 19, at 10:00 Eastern. Also, this Saturday, September 17 at 10:00 Pm Eastern time is going to be another OS-9 Live! w/Boisy Pitre. The subject is going to be, 'The Future of Personal OS-9' and I encourage anyone who can attend to do so. With the return of the MM/1 and the rise of commercial applications being made available for it, the consistent availability of The Delmar and FHL Systems, and the successfull rise of CD-I, we will have plenty to talk about! See ya >Chris< -*- 89933 13-SEP 20:08 Applications (6809) Checkbook+ From: CPERRAULT To: JOELHEGBERG Joel I'm just writing to let you and David Graham know, that I recieved Checkbook+ in the mail today. Already it is set up, and I have all this months transactions entered in. I LOVE IT! This sure beats having to fine tune my dynacalc template constantly, and the graphs aren't too shabby either. See Ya >Chris< -*- 89949 14-SEP 12:59 Applications (6809) RE: Checkbook+ (Re: Msg 89933) From: JOELHEGBERG To: CPERRAULT Thanks for the kind words, Chris! It was a fun program to write, and I really was tired of balancing my checkbook by hand, also! The graphs were just an after-thought and something I did for fun. (Not many people need graphs of their checking accounts!) I mainly wanted to try my hand and (at) circle-graphs, line-graphs, and bar-graphs. Again, thanks for the note. -- Joel Mathew Hegberg. -*- 90008 18-SEP 22:46 Applications (6809) RE: Checkbook+ (Re: Msg 89949) From: CPERRAULT To: JOELHEGBERG >>(Not many people need graphs of their checking accounts!)<< Actually don't sell them short just yet. A person who want to regularly go over his/her spending habits, say at statement time, can find it very usefull. It may help guide somebody to more disciplined spending if they do their homework :-) >Chris< -*- End of Thread. -*- 89936 13-SEP 22:47 General Information RE: Humor (Re: Msg 89847) From: CHYDE To: WA2EGP My wife taught physics using both (toys and hi-tech), I'm not sure which the kids liked better. I'll have to find out . Chris -*- 89955 14-SEP 23:56 General Information RE: Humor (Re: Msg 89936) From: WA2EGP To: CHYDE Well, it is really funny since the software I have (and have used) I cannot use in the "school" computer because it is not "board approved". Yet I can't bring my own machine since it is banned. Have to use their stuff and I don't have enough machines for all of the students. Go figure. (grin) -*- 89959 15-SEP 01:09 General Information RE: Humor (Re: Msg 89955) From: CHYDE To: WA2EGP I don't know, it sounds pretty typical of the bureaucratic mind set. This of course says something for the small school district at least we knew all the board members (some where neighbors), so board approval was a little easier (though probably not much ). Chris -*- 89963 15-SEP 22:49 General Information RE: Humor (Re: Msg 89959) From: WA2EGP To: CHYDE Well, it seems that the story is (might be) that someone was doing taxes on their laptop during school time. It was a second job for them. They got busted and in typical knee-jerk reaction someone down the board offices banned all personal computers owned by teachers. Yeah.......and when I drive a car I get arrested because sometime in the future I could be involved in an accident. Of course, there is added pressure since the state is running the system and this is their last year so they gotta look good. Unforch (for them), the state takeover was an utter disaster so they are over sensitive to any "problems" that will tarnish their image. -*- 89966 16-SEP 01:25 General Information RE: Humor (Re: Msg 89963) From: COCOKIWI To: WA2EGP AND..to add..a universtity around here JUST made it MANDITORY for ALL incoming freashmen to HAVE one,Univ will through bank float th cost of computer till one graduated! tell em that one! Dennis -*- 89998 18-SEP 01:33 General Information RE: Humor (Re: Msg 89966) From: WA2EGP To: COCOKIWI Most of the colleges and universities around here also require them for students who are taking "techinical" and science majors. I did find out more though. Seems some one had a "prepare your taxes" business and their were doing their second job work at their first job. Friday, I was in a training session for the network in school (more like a sales pitch) and I mentioned the ban. The person in charge is going to look into it and put out his own SOP memo to cancel the other one. (Now bring up the music for "Dualing Paperwork") This is getting interesting (grin). -*- 90001 18-SEP 14:43 General Information RE: Humor (Re: Msg 89998) From: DBREEDING To: WA2EGP RE: your discussion about school prohibiting teachers bringing computers to class. I notice that a similar discussion is being carried on over the VirtualNet network... Any of you guys on that network, perchance??? -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 *** ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ -*- 90011 18-SEP 23:17 General Information RE: Humor (Re: Msg 90001) From: WA2EGP To: DBREEDING RE: being on VirtualNet Nope. Geez....I thought I was the only one that had the problem (grin). Actually I originally thought the ban was because I had a UNIX PC on my desk last year and the system was hot for networked IBM PCs. For once, I was not to blame! Just to cheer you up...the principal wants three machines "hooked up" to Internet through a local college. He expects them to be on all the time so students can just walk up and use them. It is 23:17 local......have you had your reality check today? (grin) -*- 90035 21-SEP 02:05 General Information RE: Humor (Re: Msg 89963) From: CHYDE To: WA2EGP Sounds pretty typical. I mean there's always someone who takes advantage of things and there's always someone who over reacts to it . Sorry to hear that the state took over the district. I don't recall ever hearing anything good coming out of the state taking over a district, of course there haven't been that many take overs. Chris -*- 90045 22-SEP 00:25 General Information RE: Humor (Re: Msg 90035) From: WA2EGP To: CHYDE Well, two districts have been taken over already. Several more are on the list. Unforch, the people who take over have a slightly ego-centric (or megalomanical?) and they are right no matter what. And they produce tons of paperwork to prove it. Unforch, I'm one of the people that have the job of producing the paperwork. -*- 90050 22-SEP 22:30 General Information RE: Humor (Re: Msg 90045) From: CHYDE To: WA2EGP (NR) Ahh, where would we be without paperwork? And I remember way back when when they said that coumputers would create the "paperless office" . I read somewhere where more paper is being producedc now in the "paperless office" than before , ya gotta like that. Chris -*- 90056 23-SEP 17:28 General Information RE: Humor (Re: Msg 90050) From: GREGL To: CHYDE (NR) Another piece of humor. . . :-) The Paper Reduction Act was passed by the government so now each mailing from the government includes an extra sheet of paper describing the act. I got such a form with my Income Tax forms last year and rolled on the floor laughing. Actually I think it's the Paperwork Reduction Act, but still. -- Greg -*- End of Thread. -*- 89937 13-SEP 22:52 General Information Windows95 ??? From: FHOGG To: ALL For your enlightened entertainment, When I spotted this I had to read it 3 times before I beleaved it. I read the following in the September 12th 1994 issue of Infoworld on page 10. The title of the piece is: "It's official: Chicago will be called Windows95" The article describes why Microsoft decided on the name Windows95 rather than Windows 4.0 because... "According to Microsoft, users had difficulty understanding which version of Windows, 3.0, 3.1, or 3.11 was the latest." Explains a lot doesn't it. However we must ask the question. Which came first? Do stupid people buy Windows or does using Windows make people stupid? I'll let you decide. Frank Hogg -*- 89948 14-SEP 09:57 General Information RE: Windows95 ??? (Re: Msg 89937) From: MROWEN01 To: FHOGG I would say you are right on both counts regrading which came first ! -Mike Rowen -*- 89950 14-SEP 13:10 General Information RE: Windows95 ??? (Re: Msg 89937) From: GREGL To: FHOGG For what it's worth, I think having different products with the same name is a detriment that really does lead to confusion. It also limits the potential lifespan of a product. Novell, for example, came out with a different version of NetWare and called it 4.0. Just looking at the product catalog, you might think NetWare 4.0 is anewer version than NetWare 3.11 where, in reality, the two are unrelated. Perhaps NetWare 4.0 should have been called NetWare Plus to separate it from the NetWare 3.11. -- Greg -*- 89956 14-SEP 23:57 General Information RE: Windows95 ??? (Re: Msg 89937) From: WA2EGP To: FHOGG That I have to hang on the bulletin board..... -*- 89957 15-SEP 00:05 General Information RE: Windows95 ??? (Re: Msg 89950) From: FHOGG To: GREGL Could it be possible that the minds of users of Intel chips be affected by the backwards byte order? Could this be the reason for their confusion over a simple math problem? Tongue firmly placed in cheek. Frank -*- 89962 15-SEP 14:06 General Information RE: Windows95 ??? (Re: Msg 89957) From: GREGL To: FHOGG Could be, Frank. I think research proved years ago that backwards byte ordering causes a mind warp in programmers that trickled down to the end users. I think the overall effect is causing technology to reverse so it may not be too much longer before we're back to the 8088. :-) -- Greg -*- 89964 15-SEP 23:24 General Information RE: Windows95 ??? (Re: Msg 89962) From: FHOGG To: GREGL In that case I better dust off my old KIM-1. Frank -*- 89969 16-SEP 04:51 General Information RE: Windows95 ??? (Re: Msg 89937) From: BROWN80 To: FHOGG He, he!!!! Good one Frank. I think they are hoping that people who buy windows will be stupid enough to not notice how often they are being forced to buy corrections for bugs in Microsoft's software. John Brown -*- 90003 18-SEP 16:30 General Information RE: Windows95 ??? (Re: Msg 89969) From: 01GEN40 To: FHOGG Hi Frank, I read about this very thing in the computer magazine in our local newspaper here in San Diego, just last week. I say, if someone can- not figure that the higher the number the newer the version, there is something wrong. I do not see any logic in what Microsoft is doing unless this problem is with thier own people. A number is just a num- ber, either higher or lower than the ones on either side of it. I use Windows (3.1) at work for one thing, playing games during slack time. T me, that is all Windows is good for. There should be an "o" after the "T" in the above sentence. Here is a little diversion for those of you that have access to the use of Windows 3.1 (other versions are different). In 3.1, hold down the SHFT-CTRL keys at the same time while opening HELP on any of the Windows moduals. Click on About (modual) and double click on the ICON in the upper left hand corner. Enjoy! See ya. Oh, one more thing, you may have to do the above more than once since sometimes it will not work all the time. Al, make sure that you press SHFT-CTRL at all times through the above procedure. LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! -= 01GEN40 =- -*- End of Thread. -*- 89938 13-SEP 23:08 OSK Applications RE: ZModem & Delphi (Re: Msg 89864) From: CHYDE To: TIMKIENTZLE I's been a few months, but I've uploaded both text and archived files using sz at 2400 baud. I believe I've done them late at night (low usagfge times). I'm not sure of the version of rz/sz I'm using, but I would suspect they are the latest versions for Level 2. The command line that's set up in my upload macro is as follows; sz and bugs in Delphi . -*- End of Thread. -*- 89939 14-SEP 00:06 General Information Back again! From: EMTWO To: ALL Sorry about disappearing on everyone, but I got a job. I am now Program Manager for the Enviromental Services Department of the Jacksonville PSI office. Its not an Electrical Engineering position, but its work. Isn't there a COCO/OS9 group in Jax? If so I have decided to donate All of my COCO & OS9 LII Hard/software/manuals/magazines to them. I'll keep the MM/1 and the PC(for games). -*- 89942 14-SEP 00:21 General Information RE: Back again! (Re: Msg 89939) From: MITHELEN To: EMTWO Nice to see you back Paul... I Jealous about the Job... 8-) -- Paul -*- 89945 14-SEP 00:55 General Information RE: Back again! (Re: Msg 89939) From: DSPICER To: EMTWO EMTWO> Sorry about disappearing on everyone, but I got a job. EMTWO> I am now Program Manager for the Enviromental Services EMTWO> Department of the Jacksonville PSI office. Its not an Electrical EMTWO> Engineering position, but its work. Hey, long time no chat Paul. I plan to start on a Computer Engineering degree sometime next year if all goes right. Glad to hear you found a position. I thought you moved to Jax awhile back to take a position??? Dave Spicer | Access CoCo of L.A.(Lower Alabama) (205)598-2100 dspicer@delphi.com | Now Running and Supporting ONLY OS/2 Composed on Tuesday, 09/13/94 at 11:52pm using * ODN 1.10l Beta - Delphi Navigator for OS/2 * -*- 89954 14-SEP 23:04 General Information RE: Back again! (Re: Msg 89945) From: EMTWO To: DSPICER I was commuting. Finally all moved up. New Ph#,address, ect -*- 89961 15-SEP 06:42 General Information RE: Back again! (Re: Msg 89954) From: DSPICER To: EMTWO EMTWO> I was commuting. Finally all moved up. New Ph#,address, EMTWO> ect That's quite a commute :) Dave Spicer | Access CoCo of L.A.(Lower Alabama) (205)598-2100 dspicer@delphi.com | Now Running and Supporting ONLY OS/2 (OS-9 convert) Composed on Wednesday, 09/14/94 at 10:46pm using * ODN 1.10l Beta - Delphi Navigator for OS/2 * -*- End of Thread. -*- 89940 14-SEP 00:14 Games & Graphics ogre From: PAGAN To: ALL I just recieved E-Mail from Jim Pruyne regarding the game "Ogre" I recently posted to chestnut and to Delphi. >Unfortunately, I can't keep this submission. A while ago, I had an Ogre >like game on the server, but I received e-mail directly from Steve Jackson >Games saying that they were enforcing their copyright on Ogre, and would not >allow any Ogre like software to be distributed. I don't know how strong >their claim would be, but I'm in no position to test them :). I guess this means that the program will have to be removed from the data base here on Delphi as well so I've asked the database managers here to remove it. Stephen (PAGAN) -*- 89944 14-SEP 00:23 Games & Graphics RE: ogre (Re: Msg 89940) From: MITHELEN To: PAGAN It has been removed from public view. Fortunately, there was only one other person that downloaded it. Whoever that person is, please don't redistribute the Ogre game (and if you are a really honest, you will delete your copy) -- Paul -*- End of Thread. -*- 89947 14-SEP 06:45 OSK Applications OS9000 - descriptors From: EDELMAR To: JEJONES James, I have a question which I hope you can and are willing to answer; hoping you don't find answering to be a conflict with your work at MW. It requires your expertise re MW's C Compilers. I'm asking here on the forum because I believe others can benefit from this information. To set the stage - we're dealing with OS-9000, descriptors, Ultra-C and 1.1 C. I have Ultra-C installed and had removed 1.1 C. I installed a fax/modem board and to get it to work under MSDOS, had to change the IRQ (comm 3) to IRQ 5. This meant changing the descriptor for T3 under OS-9000. (Made the change in the systype.h file.) When I went to compile the new descriptor, it bombed out. Went back to the Ultra-C manuals and found a sentence stating "Makefiles and shell scripts which reference 'cprep', 'c386', or 'o386' with the Version 1.1 C compiler are guaranteed not to work with Ultra C.". OK, it was obvious from inspection that the makefile was written for version 1.1. I tried to re-write the makefile for Ultra-C but was unsuccessful. Called MW's tech support people Monday morning and outlined the problem and asked if they had a makefile for Ultra-C. They called me back later and informed me they did not have a makefile for Ultra-C; I had to use 1.1 C to compile the descriptors. (I re-installed 1.1 C and everything compiled fine - port works.) Unfortunately, when they called back, I had umpty-ump things going on and wasn't able to dig as deeply as I should have. I think he said that Ultra-C needed a different header file but I'm not sure. Can you enlighten me on this - or what is the problem? For those who haven't dug into this, the descriptors for OS-9000 are written in C - not assembler. And, OS-9000 does not include 'moded'. Thanks, Ed -*- 90018 19-SEP 22:14 OSK Applications RE: OS9000 - descriptors (Re: Msg 89947) From: JEJONES To: EDELMAR I'm afraid I couldn't do much more than refer you to the people you've already been talking to. Sorry. Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors. Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside -*- End of Thread. -*- 89951 14-SEP 18:51 General Information Shell+ From: PHILSCHERER To: KSCALES Hi Ken--Just want to say thanks for Shellplus 2.2a -*- 89953 14-SEP 21:48 Applications (6809) RE: OSTerm/68K (Re: Msg 89789) From: TIMKIENTZLE To: KSCALES Ken, I just uploaded a bunch of VT100 movies that I've collected over the years. They exercise a lot of the more obscure VT100 functions pretty thoroughly. Have fun! - Tim -*- 90023 20-SEP 00:45 Applications (6809) RE: OSTerm/68K (Re: Msg 89953) From: KSCALES To: TIMKIENTZLE Hi, Tim - > I just uploaded a bunch of VT100 movies that I've collected over > the years. They exercise a lot of the more obscure VT100 functions > pretty thoroughly. Have fun! Thanks a lot! I spent WAY too much time this weekend "having fun" . Thought I would follow up and let you know the results. I tried running the files on several different telecom packages to get a comparison, and so that I could have a "frame of reference" to see any problems that might occur. I set up my '386 running Telix V3.12 (shareware) and the Windows 3.1 "Terminal" accessory (which I will call "WinTerm" for short). On the MM/1, I tried OSTerm/68K V2.2.0 and V2.2.1, as well as a port of Brian Marcotte's "vt100" program and a beta copy of KTerm. I quickly dropped "vt100", after having to reboot twice after using it. ("000:171 (E$Damage) System data structures have been damaged." following one attempt...) I also decided to drop KTerm from the sample, since I only had the beta version, and that version didn't even really claim any VT100 capabilities. (We'll let John D. or David G. cover the official release.) There was a fairly noticeable difference between OSTerm V2.2.0 (the official distributed version most users have), and V2.2.1/beta. The V2.2.1 was created to fix some problems reported by Boisy and JEJ. These "movies" seemed to trigger several of the changed areas. Guess we're going to have to try to package this update for release RSN... (V2.2.1 has only had limited distribution.) So, most tests were with OSTerm/68K V2.2.1, Telix, and WinTerm. Known limitations of these Emulation packages: ============================================== - OSTerm: - does not support double-height/double-width characters - does not support support alternate/special/line drawing character sets. - Due to the lack of "blinking characters" on the MM/1, these are shown using bold font. (Note: Since we want to port OSTerm to non-KWindows environments, we specifically decided NOT to incorporate these capabilities at this time. A bug in K-Windows pushbuttons is another contributing factor...) - Telix: - does not support double-height/double-width characters - Windows Terminal ("WinTerm") - Specific info not available; but from tests: - does not appear to support "blinking characters". They seem to show as bold. - does not appear to support "newline" mode. Results: ======== - General notes: 1) OSTerm only used the standard character set, and substituted these characters for the VT100 special/line-drawing set. This is standard behavior for all test files, and should be assumed below. 2) As stated above, only WinTerm supported double-height, double-width characters. Telix and OSTerm behaved similarly when these sequences appeared (e.g., "fireworks", "xmas"), displaying double-height characters as duplicated vertically. 3) Some of the files required "newline" mode to be set externally to the file. For OSTerm, this is a menu option (or can be set by host). For Telix, I sent the sequence "ESC [ 2 0 h" prior to sending the file. I could not find a way to set "newline" mode for WinTerm (may not be supported). - "beer" - Much of the graphics info was missing under WinTerm. This may have been due to the use of a monochrome monitor (?). - "duck", "moon", "sun", "twilight": - No special notes. - "cobol": - See note 3 above (newline). - Without "newline" mode, WinTerm performed poorly. - "fireworks": - See note 2 above (double-size). - Both Telix and OSTerm left some "firework debris" on the screen, which may result from double-height/double-width characters. Telix also seemed to leave noise from unimplemented VT100 sequences. - "fish": - required "newline off" for OSTerm. - "outer_limits": - See note 2 above (double-size). - OSTerm performed an extra scroll around the start of the "sine wave". - WinTerm did not handle the "soft blur" as well as Telix, due to the poorer special/line character set (or possibly the monochrome monitor again). - "ship": - See note 3 above (newline). - Without "newline" mode, WinTerm was an absolute mess. - OSTerm did not "sink the ship". It was confused by the "1B 5B 48 0A 1B 1B 1B 1B ... 1B 1B 1B 1B 5B 48 1B 4D 0A 1B ..." sequences used to create delays; the odd number of $1B's caused it to get out of sync and display the "[H" and "[1;25r" commands. Replacing one $1B with a $20 (space) in each sequence fixed this, but we'll need to make the program robust against this. - "trek": - Telix did not display the top front of the ship. - Telix and OSTerm left some debris from the RCA explosion. - WinTerm did not appear to show stars at different intensities. - WinTerm and Telix both had the Enterprise partially re-emerge on the left side of the screen. OSTerm ("autowrap off") let it "exit, screen right", while "autowrap on" gave behavior similar to the other programs. Dunno which was intended, but I preferred the exit... - "xmas": - See notes 2 (double size) and 3 (newline) above. - Without "newline" mode, WinTerm was an absolute mess. - WinTerm's special/graphics characters were not as good as Telix's. - Telix mangled the jack-in-the-box. Three "bugs" in OSTerm/68K V2.2.1's VT100 emulation were identified, excluding the "non-supported character sets": - handling of sequential "ESC" characters (used in "ship" for time delays). - one spurious linefeed in "outer_limits" -- cause yet unknown. - the "debris" left in "fireworks" and "trek" also needs to be investigated to determine the cause (both Telix and OSTerm). It sure would be nice to include support for the special/line drawing character sets -- it would make these "movies" look a lot prettier. But our preference right now is not to increase MM/1-specific dependencies. I am glad that the basic VT100 protocol support held up so well under these files . Regards... / Ken PS - BTW, Boisy has provided me with a bunch of similar files for ANSI graphics, too. Uncovered some interesting things, like IBM ANSI homes the cursor after "ESC [ 2 J", while VT102 in ANSI mode specifically does not... PPS - You probably are already aware: there are some news groups that carry these types of files: alt.binaries.pictures.ascii and alt.ascii-art are two I have run across. I picked up a variation of "xmas" on one of these last year, but haven't been back much. Yours was a nice collection. Hope this long message hasn't bored you... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237 -*- 90070 24-SEP 22:38 Applications (6809) RE: OSTerm/68K (Re: Msg 90023) From: TIMKIENTZLE To: KSCALES >>Hope this long message hasn't bored you... Not at all. I hadn't heard of the two Usenet groups with these sorts of pictures. Definitely a good place to look next time I need this type of stuff. The ``trek'' problems with losing the front part of the ship (Telix??) were probably due to a failure to properly support underlining. As I recall, ``trek'' uses underlined spaces to draw that part. Generally, I've been quite disappointed at the various bugs I've found in many commercial programs claiming VT100 emulation. Sounds like OSTerm is now on a par with many PC and Mac commercial programs I've seen. If you have a Coco around, you might try these movies against KBCom (OS9) and V-Term (RSDOS). These particular movies were just part of the testing that Eddie and I did on those programs, and it's kind of neat to see how these programs work in full. (The only weaknesses I know of are that KBCom doesn't support blinking; V-Term doesn't support blinking on graphics displays and lacks double-width/double-height/special chars on hardware screens.) I should also upload the ``vttest'' program I have sitting here. It's a menu-driven program that exercises a lot of odd VT features. Also, feel free to ask me any questions you have. I spent a lot of time over the last eight years implementing and testing several VT100 emulations (V-Term was only the beginning!). Someone else should benefit from those years of effort... - Tim -*- 90073 24-SEP 22:58 Applications (6809) RE: OSTerm/68K (Re: Msg 90070) From: REVKAK To: TIMKIENTZLE Since I use KBCom here on Delphi, I was wondering just exactly what is the procedure to get the Vt100 "movies" into KBCom to view them. Please enlighten me as to this new use. Any help is appreciated. Thanks, . . . Keith PS: KBCom is the commercial version. -*- 90074 24-SEP 23:14 Applications (6809) RE: OSTerm/68K (Re: Msg 90073) From: TIMKIENTZLE To: REVKAK (NR) Unfortunately, it requires another computer or a null modem cable and two serial ports under OS9. Basically, you just put them somewhere where you can ``list'' them while using KBCom. Unfortunately, Delphi won't allow you to ``list'' a binary file, and they must be uploaded as binary files lest they be damaged in transfer. With a null modem cable and two computers (or two serial ports on one OS9 system), you can use KBCom on one machine/serial port and dump the files into the other serial port so they come through KBCom's screen. I'm sorry there's not some simpler way, but there's really not. - Tim Kientzle -*- End of Thread. -*- 89958 15-SEP 00:45 Applications (6809) RE: 8-bit chips (Re: Msg 89815) From: GLOCKR To: AJMLFCO Do you still have the tech notes on the 6809 (single and dual) systems? -*- 90033 21-SEP 00:21 Applications (6809) RE: 8-bit chips (Re: Msg 89958) From: AJMLFCO To: GLOCKR (NR) Yes! I can mail them to you if you give me your address. I have only the dual-6809 design application notes. Of course, a dual 4mhz 6309 design might be feasable??? Allen Morgan -*- End of Thread. -*- 89960 15-SEP 04:17 General Information <486> From: COCOKIWI To: ALL HELP????.......strange things happened to my computer the other night! first my hard drive C: lost a sector ,no biggie,fixed that ok..then the other night my H/D two D: drive died I fianly got it back on line and every thing now is working except....the TWO drives 1 3.5" and a 1.2 meg...A: gives Sector not found error..B: give Data CRC error and the Coloardo 250 works fine!...when this fist came to light and went to load the VGA drivers! no drive! I then checked ALL drives....ALL the floppy side had died.....Tape drive included! So I removed the H/D drive controller/FD and returned it and got a BETTER one! will handle 4 IDE & 4 FD,s 2 ser/1 par 1 game port! NOW the Tape works,BUT the FD,s don,t..........SAME error,s....I,ve changed the cables!EVEN! could have the Card taken out the drives???if it blew!..or is it something else!......apart from this it works great!...and it don,t matter if one UN PLUGs either drive or goes direct to FD....same errors! But the Tape works! Dennis -*- 89967 16-SEP 02:59 General Information RE: <486> (Re: Msg 89960) From: TIMKIENTZLE To: COCOKIWI Hmmm.... Last time I heard about that many things blowing at once, the culprit was eventually tracked to the power supply. A bad power supply can TOAST your entire computer very quickly. My parents have also had computers toasted by lightning coming in over the phone wires (through the modem), and through the power lines. - Tim -*- 89968 16-SEP 03:16 General Information RE: <486> (Re: Msg 89967) From: MITHELEN To: TIMKIENTZLE Heh.. ya.. just ask eddie about his MM/1... 8-) He unplugged the modem, phone line, power on computer, power on monitor/tv.. BUT, forgot to unplug the CABLE on the TV/monitor... zaped his MM/1 good... He finally has a wroking system again, but it took over a year to get it repaired. So, for thos that use a TV/monitor on their systems, keep in mind that lightning can also com in through your cable connection... BTW Tim... I liked the VT100 movies you uploaded... Wish I would have saved all the ones we had at school... KBCom handles them all perfectly! -- Paul Jerkatis - SandV BBS (708)352-0948: OS-9 Support UUCP: amiserv.xnet.com!vpnet!sandv!mithelen ...or... mithelen@sandv.chi.il.us Internet: MITHELEN@Delphi.com -*- 89975 17-SEP 00:17 General Information RE: <486> (Re: Msg 89967) From: COCOKIWI To: TIMKIENTZLE This one was flaky from the start The mother board was bad! this one is the same but newer....and I traded with a 486DX2.,....Dennis -*- 89978 17-SEP 02:46 General Information RE: <486> (Re: Msg 89960) From: JEVESTAL To: COCOKIWI > HELP????.......strange things happened to my computer the other > night! first my hard drive C: lost a sector ,no biggie,fixed that Dennis you might wanna post this on the PC sig or on one of the ms-dos supported usenet groups. Jim ======================== InfoXpress 01.01.00 OS-9/6809 ====================== | Narnia BBS: 11pm-7am PDT serving CoCo OS-9 users ----|---- StG network: sysop@Narnia "Exclusively OS-9" | Delphi: JEVestal@delphi.com Marysville, CA InterNet: JEVestal@narnia.citrus.sac.ca.us | or : JEVestal@citrus.sac.ca.us (916) 743-2617 Voice: 7am-11pm PDT :1 Corinthians 1:18 & Romans 1:16 ============================================================================= Jim Vestal: Assistant editor of The International OS-9 Underground, "Magazine dedicated to OS-9/OSK Users Everywhere -*- 89993 17-SEP 23:09 General Information RE: <486> (Re: Msg 89978) From: COCOKIWI To: JEVESTAL and never get an Answer!..I fixed it,Replaced BAD motherboard!and replaced the 486DX33 with a 486DX-2-66..for $60...trade.... Thanks....Dennis -*- 89999 18-SEP 01:40 General Information RE: <486> (Re: Msg 89968) From: WA2EGP To: MITHELEN Heck, you don't even need the lightning......just the induced voltage from a nearby strike. The phone lines/power lines act like one big antenna. We had a local teenager killed when talking to his girlfriend on the phone during a thunder storm. No sign of arcing in the phonebooth (where he was when making the call) or equipment damage. Imagine what that could do to a computer which has more sensitive circuits! -*- 90017 19-SEP 21:17 General Information RE: <486> (Re: Msg 89968) From: NIMITZ To: MITHELEN Of course, it should take a great deal less than 1 year to repair a system now, as Ray Patterson has more equipment than Mark was forced to get along with, and it is Ray's full time job. (He has income from old contracts, and can devote the majority of his time to the MM/1.....) David -*- 90024 20-SEP 01:57 General Information RE: <486> (Re: Msg 90017) From: MITHELEN To: NIMITZ That sounds very good David... I hope my M/1 never requires the kind of fixing Eddies did, but it is good to know there is someone that is devoteing full time to repair work... -- Paul -*- 90053 23-SEP 01:09 General Information RE: <486> (Re: Msg 90024) From: NIMITZ To: MITHELEN Thanks, Paul. Of course, it's nice to have the information Ray's come up with, and nice to have someone working with the newest modules after a big jump from a much older set of modules. Ray is working out some information regarding some possible incompatibilities between some MM/1 modules that may be responsible for some wierd 'KWindows bugs'. That is VERY tentative, and Ray should be talking to several folks, gathering information and writing some documentation for us. He is also a great resource person, helping me to find some more programmers, and some engineering help. David -*- End of Thread. -*- 89972 16-SEP 17:14 General Information Internet Stuff From: GREGL To: ALL I'm taking a poll, counting 'em twice, so now's the time to vote. :-) Seriously, we're finally getting Gopher and Usenet news groups added to the SIG and I need to know what you as the prime users of the system want and use most often. Considering this is the OS-9 SIG, I figured comp.sys.6809, comp.sys.68k, comp.sys.68k.pc and comp.os.os9 are good bets for news groups. I know there are a couple of FTP sites but I can't remember the full site name -- cabrales and chestnut perhaps? I've also set up a link to the main Internet SIG search tools -- Veronica and stuff like that. I know it's a long time in coming, but we're finally getting it. I'm hoping to whip it into shape and get it visible within the next few days -- the fewer the better, of course. :-) -- Greg -*- 89973 16-SEP 18:48 General Information RE: Internet Stuff (Re: Msg 89972) From: PHILSCHERER To: GREGL Hi Greg--I'd like to see whatever supports the Coco and OS9000. -*- 89974 16-SEP 20:00 General Information RE: Internet Stuff (Re: Msg 89972) From: JOHNBAER To: GREGL Hi Greg! > ... I know there are a couple of FTP sites but I can't > remember the full site name -- cabrales and chestnut perhaps? I've also > set up a link to the main Internet SIG search tools -- Veronica and stuff > like that. Let's see: chestnut.cs.wisc.edu & wuarchive.wustl.edu chestnut is the NEW name for cabrales. Different machine I guess . > I know it's a long time in coming, but we're finally getting it. I'm > hoping to whip it into shape and get it visible within the next few days > -- the fewer the better, of course. :-) The nice thing about having this here is, if you do a `who' in this Sig, you won't have to go get a coffee while the screen scrolls by like I did in the Internet Sig once (ouch) . -- John - < Posted with Ved 2.3.1 & IX 1.2.0 > -*- 89976 17-SEP 01:35 General Information RE: Internet Stuff (Re: Msg 89974) From: MITHELEN To: GREGL Don't forget: lucy.ifi.unibas.ch And, there is a new Tandy Computer related site: musie.phlab.missouri.edu And, the comp.sys.tandy Usenet group wouldn't hurt either, although, that may be more appropiate for the CoCo sig... -- Paul -*- 89977 17-SEP 02:28 General Information RE: Internet Stuff (Re: Msg 89972) From: KSCALES To: GREGL > comp.sys.6809, comp.sys.68k, comp.sys.68k.pc and comp.os.os9 are good > bets for news groups. Probably bit.listserv.coco would be another one that should be added. Thanks for your efforts, Greg! Cheers... / Ken -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237 -*- 89984 17-SEP 14:45 General Information RE: Internet Stuff (Re: Msg 89972) From: JOHNREED To: GREGL > Seriously, we're finally getting Gopher and Usenet news groups added to > the SIG and I need to know what you as the prime users of the system > want and use most often. Considering this is the OS-9 SIG, I figured > comp.sys.6809, comp.sys.68k, comp.sys.68k.pc and comp.os.os9 are good > bets for news groups. I know there are a couple of FTP sites but I can't > remember the full site name -- cabrales and chestnut perhaps? I've also > set up a link to the main Internet SIG search tools -- Veronica and stuff > like that. Nice goin, Greg! Looks like you have the OS9-related Usenet groups pretty well covered. For FTP's, I think cabrales BECAME chestnut (chestnut.cs.wisc.edu). Another one I get into a lot is wuarchive.wustl.edu -- lots of GNU stuff (an lots of everything else too). ******************************** A stitch in time -------------------- ------ is worth two in the bush John R. Wainwright <> <> -*- End of Thread. -*- 89980 17-SEP 07:47 General Information RE: CD-i Observations (Re: Msg 89903) From: PHXKEN To: BOISY You spoke of OS-9 in a black box and it reminded me of an article I just read in Electronic Entertainment magazine about a new "Dos/Windows machine" to be out in a black box for the living room. $1800 which the article said was too high for game machine and about right for a multi-media computer. I too like to browse the Barnes & Noble magazine racks. haha! My Magnavox CD-i has wired joystick, external pwr supply and external RF modulator and only has the ports for video and stereo sound and the joystick and of course the add-on cartridge. Is the add-on where the serial ports that you spoke of located? -*- 89982 17-SEP 09:17 General Information RE: CD-i Observations (Re: Msg 89980) From: BOISY To: PHXKEN The serial port is actually game port #2 (/t2) and is located o nthe back of my 220 player. It may be on the front of yours. I also have now, a CD-i disk with shell and a startup script. When I put it in my CD-i player and press play, I get a shell. My MM/1 hard drive contents are also on the disk, so I can run different programs on the CD-i player. It's a true blue OS-9 machine alright. -*- 89983 17-SEP 13:22 General Information RE: CD-i Observations (Re: Msg 89982) From: MITHELEN To: BOISY Boisy, will you be bringing your CDi setup to the Atlanta Fest? I'd sure like to see it! I'm getting more and more tempted to get one (If only I had the $$$) -- Paul -*- 89989 17-SEP 18:29 General Information RE: CD-i Observations (Re: Msg 89983) From: BOISY To: MITHELEN I won't be bringing the CD-i player, but I can bring the CD-i explorer disk and the serial cable, if someone can bring a CD-i player to Atlanta. Any takers? -*- 89990 17-SEP 19:59 General Information RE: CD-i Observations (Re: Msg 89989) From: MITHELEN To: BOISY I'll ask Chris Hawks (you listening Chris?) Be nice to set it up at the OS-9 Users Group booth to show OS-9 in the REAL world 8-) -*- End of Thread. -*- 89985 17-SEP 14:55 General Information Danosoft?? From: MRUPGRADE To: ALL I thought I heard someone bought theh Danosoft line??? Would like to contaact him,, for "Big Basic". lemme know,,,, Terry Simons UPGRADE Editor -*- 89986 17-SEP 15:07 Programmers Den What the :2? From: DBREEDING To: ALL Got a question.. In the assembly source listings produced by the MW OSK C compiler, over in the comments column, there are these little notations with a colon followed by a number, many 2's.. I would guess they are some sort of debugging tool. Anyone know exactly what they mean?? James...?? Boisy...?? Anyone...?? . Just kinda curious, really.. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 *** ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ -*- 89987 17-SEP 15:47 New Uploads PostScript Utils From: JOHNREED To: ALL Attention PostScript/Ghostscript & TeX/LaTeX/dvips users. I have just uploaded a few handy utilities to help manage PostScript files. With these utilities, you can shuffle pages, set up for book or booklet (both sides) printing, resize documents etc. I found them while wandering around Internet. Compiled on my MM/1a - should run on other OSK boxes. (Source included - GNU/FSF-type distribution) If you use PostScript, you gotta have these. If you don't use PostScript, don't bother -- they are no good for anything else -- except maybe as examples of C programs that rewrite text files. Look for "psutils" in a few days. ******************************** A stitch in time -------------------- ------ is worth two in the bush John R. Wainwright <> <> -*- 90004 18-SEP 18:30 New Uploads RE: PostScript Utils (Re: Msg 89987) From: TIMKIENTZLE To: JOHNREED Great! I've been using these for a few months now for doing two-sided printouts. I would have uploaded them later this week if you hadn't beat me to it.... -*- 90010 18-SEP 23:02 New Uploads RE: PostScript Utils (Re: Msg 90004) From: DSRTFOX To: TIMKIENTZLE Tim, I'd like to get someone to write an article on using Ghostscript/LaTex, etc. on an OSK machine. The stuff that comes with LaTex isn't easily understood as written. I also need some generic postscript stuff for later. Willing to fill in anything? Would be for "68' micros" magazine.. -*- 90069 24-SEP 22:25 New Uploads RE: PostScript Utils (Re: Msg 90010) From: TIMKIENTZLE To: DSRTFOX (NR) Ask me in private email about writing articles. Business doesn't belong here. - Tim -*- End of Thread. -*- 89988 17-SEP 16:58 New Uploads RE: CC3 to SVGA (analog) adaptor (Re: Msg 89767) From: AD To: MRGOOD Thanks for the tip.I found some material in the coco section which should help in dealing with the compatibilty issues between the DOS/other world. I just can't handle two monitors! exit -*- 89991 17-SEP 20:03 General Information RE: OS9 FOR MAC (Re: Msg 89902) From: RANDYE To: DSRTFOX Thanks for the information. If it didn't cost so much, I would try it. Regards, Randy -*- 89992 17-SEP 20:05 General Information RE: OS9 FOR MAC (Re: Msg 89879) From: RANDYE To: FHOGG Thanks for the info. Do know someone I could contact at Gibbs Lab? Regards, Randy -*- End of Thread. -*- 89996 18-SEP 00:20 General Information I/O BOARD From: RGT To: NIMITZ Hi!!! David still waiting for the catologe.If you lost my address then here it is again: 1413 jasmine circle Rohnert Park, CA. 94928 Also I've got the $200 down pament for the I/O Board. When would you like it.please call or whrite or something? My phone# 707-584-1183 RGT -*- 90000 18-SEP 03:42 Programmers Den Floating point data types in C From: MITHELEN To: ALL Well, just had to get message number 90000! Heh... But, on the serious side I'm working on a program that store "double" type variables in a file and have come accross a problem... I want the datafiles to be interchangeable between the OS-9/6809 and the OS-9/68000 versions of the program, BUT it apprears that they write doubles out to the file in a different format (even though both are 8 bytes) is ther a quick/easy/clean way to store this data, and not have to work out fancy workarounds? Any suggerations woube be apprieciated... currently, I am writeing out a struct that has a long, and a double as it members, with a single "write(pn, &struct,sizeof(struct));" and reading it in with a similar read statement.. -*- 90002 18-SEP 14:44 Programmers Den RE: Floating point data types in C (Re: Msg 90000) From: DBREEDING To: MITHELEN > side I'm working on a program that store "double" type variables in a > file and have come accross a problem... I want the datafiles to be > interchangeable between the OS-9/6809 and the OS-9/68000 versions of the > program, BUT it apprears that they write doubles out to the file in a > different format (even though both are 8 bytes) is ther a quick/easy/clean > way to store this data, and not have to work out fancy workarounds? Umm, Paul, I looked into this, think we had a discussion about this recently. I think it would be pretty hard to get interchangeable files. I would have suspected that the 2 systems would write a float in the same format, and it could be that they do. One problem is that OS9 uses "align", where it puts in pad bytes to get 2-byte data types to start on an even byte. In this case, one system trying to read a file written by the other might be starting on the wrong byte for the read.. You might try writing a file under both systems and checking the size.. There's a good chance they won't be the same size. I've given up on trying to share files. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 *** ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ -*- 90005 18-SEP 18:35 Programmers Den RE: Floating point data types in C (Re: Msg 90000) From: TIMKIENTZLE To: MITHELEN The simplest way to share files across platforms that I've found is to use ASCII-format files. Especially with floating point, as machine-native floating point formats vary so incredibly between platforms. Just use `fprintf' instead of `write.' Another benefit is that it's much easier to debug your file I/O routines if you can read the file. Double-checking binary file formats is not particularly easy. A lot of people shun this approach because they think: 1) it's harder to read, 2) it gives bigger files. In fact, it's no harder to read than binary files if you use fixed-format and `scanf', and ASCII-format files can be just as compact if you exercise a bit of care in designing the format. (For example, `0' takes up only one byte in the output as ASCII, but four bytes if you write a long value! `Most' numbers are less than four digits long!) - Tim -*- 90012 19-SEP 00:26 Programmers Den RE: Floating point data types in C (Re: Msg 90005) From: MITHELEN To: TIMKIENTZLE I've decided to rewrite the program to used fixed point arithmatic, and save the data as a long and a char (I onlt need two decimal point percision any ways, ie, dollars and cents...) It's a shame that there is no standard for storing floating point data.. but thats life (maybe there are just too many standards for this 8-) -- Paul -*- End of Thread. -*- 90009 18-SEP 22:46 General Information OS-9 Late Night From: CPERRAULT To: ALL This is just another annual reminder that on tomorrow Monday September 19 at 10:00 pm, we'll be having another installment of the weekly conference, OS-9 Late Night. This weeks topic? "See U In Atlanta!" W/Newton White of the Atlanta Computer Society, sponsor of the Atlanta Fest. I forget the exact date, but in October, for those who don't know already(where have you been), there will be yet ANOTHER Atlanta Cocofest and we will be discussing that, as well perhaps as fests from the past and the future of the Fest. Don't miss it, or I'll have your internet mailbox jammed with Junk Mail! :-) See Ya >Chris< -*- 90013 19-SEP 01:24 System Modules (6809) Shell22a From: VE3DAC To: KSCALES It seems that this is the first, am I the only one having a problem? I installed the SCF and made my new merged shell module and generally it seems to work ok. I installed it to use with my Nitro boot, and all I get is a technicolor screen. We'll see how it goes when the 1.20 update arrives. But one utility fstat no longer seems to work on two different systems. All i get is a read error, on the hard disk or floppy. I installed the scf and shell on my Ribbs BBS system, not Nirtro, and ribbs won't load or run. Its ok with the new scf and my shell2.1. Seems to me I had another problem, but can't find that note. Perhaps you can pass this onto Bill, or make a suggestion? Merv -*- 90016 19-SEP 20:48 System Modules (6809) RE: Shell22a (Re: Msg 90013) From: MITHELEN To: VE3DAC I know at least one person haveing problems with the new SCF that came with Shell+ 2.2a. It causes the overlay windows in Osterm to become munged (Top line gets chopped off or something like that) Without the new SCF installed (adn still using shell+ 2.2a) he does not see this problem. -- Paul -*- 90032 21-SEP 00:14 System Modules (6809) RE: Shell22a (Re: Msg 90016) From: VE3DAC To: MITHELEN Good, I'm not alone. Well I'm not having problems with SCF, I only switched back to the old Shell on the BBS. I'm using the new combo right now with Supercomm. Sorry about the formatting, I forgot to put in the CR's, do it all the time. Well lets hope the various problems get back to the author. The command history is sure nice to have. Merv -*- End of Thread. -*- 90014 19-SEP 18:49 General Information shell22a From: PHILSCHERER To: KSCALES Hi Ken--The only problem I seem to have with shell22a is that I have lost my wild card feature. I have a 6309 running the B&B upgrade. -*- 90022 20-SEP 00:40 General Information RE: shell22a (Re: Msg 90014) From: JEVESTAL To: PHILSCHERER > Hi Ken--The only problem I seem to have with shell22a is that I have lost > my wild card feature. I have a 6309 running the B&B upgrade. What wild card feature are you refering too? Shell 2.2 supports all the wild card features that 2.1 supports, just start the line with a ":". For example: ":del *.txt" will delete all the files in the current directory that has ends in ".txt". Jim ======================== InfoXpress 01.01.00 OS-9/6809 ====================== | Narnia BBS: 11pm-7am PDT serving CoCo OS-9 users ----|---- StG network: sysop@Narnia "Exclusively OS-9" | Delphi: JEVestal@delphi.com Marysville, CA InterNet: JEVestal@narnia.citrus.sac.ca.us | or : JEVestal@citrus.sac.ca.us (916) 743-2617 Voice: 7am-11pm PDT :1 Corinthians 1:18 & Romans 1:16 ============================================================================= Jim Vestal: Assistant editor of The International OS-9 Underground, "Magazine dedicated to OS-9/OSK Users Everywhere -*- 90026 20-SEP 18:28 General Information RE: shell22a (Re: Msg 90022) From: PHILSCHERER To: JEVESTAL HI Jim--I didn't realize that I needed the ':' in the command line. 2.1 didn't require it and I just assumed it was the same. No problem! Thanks!! -*- 90034 21-SEP 00:53 General Information RE: shell22a (Re: Msg 90026) From: BRIANOHAGAN To: PHILSCHERER It seems that the new shell+ v2.2 has new locations for turning on/off some of the various options. Here they are: offset on off $017d 26 20 toggles block function on/off $04f7 26 27 toggles default wildcard on/off $04a5 26 20 strip @ from non superuser command lines (security toggle) Also left out of the new shell plus was the patches to use only 1 page of ram as the minimum data size instead of the shell+ v2.1 default of 31 pages. l shell c 137b 11 01 c 137f 1f 01 v The cd/cx access mode fix and the F$Unlink subshell fix are included in v2.2a so they don't need to be mentioned here. I don't know if the new SCF has the following patches included: scf.ipc or scfkd.ipc from gshell124.ar to allow the mouse button to unpause a sreen scfkd.wp.ipc or scfstd.wp.ipc from gshellpat.ar to fix the disappearing window problem. scf14.ipc from scf14.ar that allows for non sharable devices. If someone knows, please let me know. Thanks. Brian O'Hagan -*- 90038 21-SEP 18:06 General Information RE: shell22a (Re: Msg 90034) From: PHILSCHERER To: BRIANOHAGAN Hi Brian--Thanks for the info. I'll keep your message for reference. -*- 90040 21-SEP 21:24 General Information RE: shell22a (Re: Msg 90034) From: MMCCLELLAND To: BRIANOHAGAN Thanks for posting those patches! The new SCF does unpause a screen when the mouse button is clicked but only under GShell and only when is prompts you to The new SCF does _NOT_ have the feature that lets you click to unpause a screen that has been paused with TMode, however. Maybe someone could bring this to the attention of the author of the new SCF. -=Mark=- -*- 90051 23-SEP 01:01 General Information RE: shell22a (Re: Msg 90026) From: NIMITZ To: PHILSCHERER In Shell+ 2.1, you could patch the module to allow it to work either way. -*- 90057 23-SEP 19:47 General Information RE: shell22a (Re: Msg 90051) From: PHILSCHERER To: NIMITZ Where would you patch it? -*- 90058 24-SEP 00:33 General Information RE: shell22a (Re: Msg 90057) From: NIMITZ To: PHILSCHERER That information was included with the distribution archive. I've been using the MM/1 only for so long, I wouldn't remember the addresses, etc. -*- 90077 25-SEP 03:15 General Information RE: shell22a (Re: Msg 90057) From: BRIANOHAGAN To: PHILSCHERER see forum message #90034 To use shell wildcards when they are turned off, the first character on the command line should be ':'. ex. :echo d* {prints all files in current dir that start with d} The : can also turn off the shell wildcards when the default wildcard option is on. This is for commands that use town wildcards. Brian -*- 90078 25-SEP 08:17 General Information RE: shell22a (Re: Msg 90077) From: PHILSCHERER To: BRIANOHAGAN (NR) Hi Brian--I missed that setting when I downloaded your message. I'll set it on with DED. Thanks! -*- End of Thread. -*- 90015 19-SEP 20:20 OSK Applications Get/SetSst Calls From: VAXELF To: ALL Someone on FIDO, just pointed out to me that I had made a gross error on the Get/SetSst calls, that I am looking for. Somehow I manage to come up with the wrong Hex code for the calls. They are really $87 $88 $89 $8f From what I have been told, the first three are definded under OS9 LII, but the fourth ($8F) is not. Can anyone shead some like on this one. The converted Basic code is: reg.d0= path reg.d1= 143 callcode= $8E RUN syscall(callcode,reg) John D. -*- 90042 21-SEP 22:27 OSK Applications RE: Get/SetSst Calls (Re: Msg 90015) From: DBREEDING To: VAXELF > $87 > $88 > $89 > $8f > > From what I have been told, the first three are definded under OS9 LII, > but the fourth ($8F) is not. Can anyone shead some like on this one. > The converted Basic code is: Quickly, offhand, I can't say about $8f, (you have the others, don't you?) Is $8f something that comes from the Level 2 program you are working with, or is this an OSK code? Most of the codes above 128 differ between OS9 and OSK, (in fact, some of the lower ones do, too)... However, I suspect that $8f is something that someone came up with - probably when they wrote or patched a driver.. Umm, look at what you are working with... it seems that William Brady came up with one or two for his WizPro, and it seems that some others (maybe vi?) came up with one, along with several others.. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 *** ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ -*- 90048 22-SEP 21:05 OSK Applications RE: Get/SetSst Calls (Re: Msg 90042) From: VAXELF To: DBREEDING Further investigation shows these Setsst codes are used to set various features in the SACIA Serail Driver used under OS9 LII. Since I will be using the OSK serial driver, these codes are no longer important. Thanks for the response. I had to trace the code thru many Basic09 subroutines in order to figure out how they were being used. Hopefully very soon, I will be announcing what I am up to. Right now I and others are working a project, that should be very interesting to all OSK usrs. Again thanks for the response. John D. -*- 90064 24-SEP 12:53 OSK Applications RE: Get/SetSst Calls (Re: Msg 90048) From: DBREEDING To: VAXELF > Further investigation shows these Setsst codes are used to set various > features in the SACIA Serail Driver used under OS9 LII. Since I will be > using the OSK serial driver, these codes are no longer important. > Thanks for the response. Glad you found what you were looking for.. In my response, I did fail to mention SACIA.. I thought it did add an SS code or 2, but in looking at the docs when I composed the msg, couldn't find it so neglected to mention this.. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 *** ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ -*- 90068 24-SEP 21:30 OSK Applications RE: Get/SetSst Calls (Re: Msg 90064) From: VAXELF To: DBREEDING I am glad it turned out as it did. I was beginning to wonder how I was going to emulate those functions. Getting close now to beta testing. So soon, I should be able to announce what the project is. John D. -*- End of Thread. -*- 90019 19-SEP 22:45 General Information atari format From: WA2EGP To: ALL Just a quick question. Does anyone know the parametes for an Atari OS-9 disk? I can't find my info on the different disk formats and I need to read (copy) a disk that is in Atari format. Thanks in advance. -*- 90020 19-SEP 23:32 General Information RE: atari format (Re: Msg 90019) From: REVKAK To: WA2EGP Atari ST OS9-68K (double sided) typ=22 dns=03 cyl=0050 sid=02 sct=0010 tos=0010 The above info is from docs supplied for PcDos in PatchOS9. Hope this helps. Keith -*- 90021 19-SEP 23:41 General Information RE: atari format (Re: Msg 90019) From: JOHNBAER To: WA2EGP > Just a quick question. Does anyone know the parametes for an Atari OS-9 > disk? Well, on my MM/1 the dmode shows: name=s0 drv=0 stp=3 typ=$26 dns=$03 cyl=80 sid=2 vfy=0 (on) sct=16 t0s=16 sas=8 ilv=2 tfm=0 toffs=0 soffs=0 ssize=256 cntl=$0000 trys=0 lun=0 wpc=0 rwr=0 park=0 lsnoffs=0 totcyls=80 ctrlrid=0 rates=$10 scsiopt=$0000 maxcount=65535 name=s1 drv=1 stp=3 typ=$24 dns=$03 cyl=80 sid=2 vfy=0 (on) sct=16 t0s=16 sas=8 ilv=2 tfm=0 toffs=0 soffs=0 ssize=256 cntl=$0000 trys=0 lun=0 wpc=0 rwr=0 park=0 lsnoffs=0 totcyls=80 ctrlrid=0 rates=$10 scsiopt=$0000 maxcount=65535 I don't have these in my boot at this time, so I can't say which `typ=' you would use, so try each one to get 3.5 inch and that should do it. -*- 90030 21-SEP 00:02 General Information RE: atari format (Re: Msg 90020) From: WA2EGP To: REVKAK Thank you. I thought I had this info but I either lost (deleted) it or I never had it in the first place. -*- 90031 21-SEP 00:08 General Information RE: atari format (Re: Msg 90021) From: WA2EGP To: JOHNBAER OK. Thanks for the info. Geez.....I forgot that s0/1 was for Atari (maybe I never knew it - I guess I have to RTFM ). I guess it is easier to ask on the sig rather than search the manuals. One day I'll get it together (grin).. -*- 90041 21-SEP 21:44 General Information RE: atari format (Re: Msg 90031) From: JOHNBAER To: WA2EGP Robert, Hey, no problem. Just one thing.. You didn't say how you made out `reading' those disk.. I assUme alright . -- John - < Posted with Ved 2.3.1 & IX 1.2.0 > -*- 90046 22-SEP 00:28 General Information RE: atari format (Re: Msg 90041) From: WA2EGP To: JOHNBAER Read the disk fine. Just kicking myself that I forgot I had the descriptor for that format. I think I'm going to reread the manual and take a careful look at what is on my hard drive (grin). -*- 90049 22-SEP 22:27 General Information RE: atari format (Re: Msg 90046) From: JOHNBAER To: WA2EGP (NR) Glad you made out ok. I know what you mean about rereading the manual . I think I'm due for another rereading myself . -*- End of Thread. -*- 90025 20-SEP 05:03 General Information Hi speed modems and RiBBS From: DGANTZ To: ALL I'm still searching for many answers. I have a LineLink 144e fax/modem that serves me well enough for all but one application. That is using it with RiBBS. I cannot seem to get it setup right to work with RiBBS no matter what I do. I also could use more detailed info on hi-speed modems, protocols (V22, V32, V42, .bis of those, MNP, etc.) Anyway, I've tried seven ways to hanah to get this thing to work with RiBBS including turning off all of its advanced features and setting everything it has in common with my now defunct Avatex 2400 to the same as my Avatex was when I had RiBBS working. Can anyone help in anyway, shape or form? I'm best reached through email but I'll try to make a point of getting in here for replies too. Thanx Dave -*- 90027 20-SEP 22:07 Programmers Den Latest on Syscall From: CPERRAULT To: ALL Ok I have a little sample program I'm working on to test the SS.FD call David gave me. It just gets filenames and is meant to test each one to find out if it is a directory file or not. There are probably some obvious errors in this, they are just not obvious to me. When I run it, it returns an error #56(Parameter error) at the 'Run Syscall' line. It looks fine to me, but I don't know. If anyone can see what I'm doing wrong here, hit me with a stick. PROCEDURE dirsyscall TYPE file=filename(29),lsn(3):BYTE TYPE regs=a,b,x:BYTE; y:integer DIM register:regs DIM fd_att:BYTE DIM name:file DIM count,count1:INTEGER DIM pointer:INTEGER DIM temp:STRING DIM diskpath:BYTE DIM opt(1):BYTE fd_att:=$00 register.a:=diskpath register.b:=$0F register.x:=ADDR(opt) register.y:=1 OPEN #diskpath,".":READ+DIR WHILE EOF(#diskpath)<>TRUE DO GET #diskpath,name IF name.filename(1)<>0 THEN count=0 temp="" REPEAT count=count+1 temp:=temp+CHR$(LAND(name.filename(count),$7F)) UNTIL count=0 OR name.filename(count)>127 OR name.filename(count )=0 PRINT temp RUN syscall($0F,register) '''This is the error^ line''' IF LAND(fd_att,$80)=0 then PRINT "is not a Directory!" ELSE IF LAND (fd_att,$80)=1 then PRINT "is a Directory!" ENDIF ENDIF ENDIF ENDWHILE CLOSE #diskpath END Thanks in advance... >Chris< -*- 90029 20-SEP 23:24 Programmers Den RE: Latest on Syscall (Re: Msg 90027) From: JMURPHY To: CPERRAULT Chris, TYPE regs=CC,A,B,DP:BYTE; X,Y,U:INTEGER This should get you started. You need to pass in ALL the registers, not just the ones you are going to use. Good Luck! John -*- End of Thread. -*- 90028 20-SEP 22:08 General Information OS-9 Late Night From: CPERRAULT To: ALL Last night we had yet ANOTHER installment of our weekly 'OS-9 Late Night' conference and it was yet ANOTHER success. I could get used to this.We discussed how to get to Northlake Holiday Inn and also how we could better the fests and how best to promote them, among other things. Attendance at the conference is still real good, and hopefully we will say the same about the fest! The transcript should soon be available in the New Uploads database. Also, don't forget that next week we will have none other than Alan Dekok and possibly even Colin McKay and others from 'NORTHERN XPOSURE' on hand to discuss the upcoming NITROS9 V1.20 and Alan's Tune-Up project. May very well be our biggest conference of the month! See Ya >Chris< -*- 90036 21-SEP 08:28 System Modules (6809) error 202 From: DONALDS To: DBREEDING Hi; in a earlier message you and Boisey mentioned that error 202 was caused by not having the drive descripters inized. You mentioned a patch for the disto drivers - I looked for that patch here in the data base and was not ablr to find it. Could you email me that patch? I would be most thankful. Don -*- 90044 21-SEP 23:12 System Modules (6809) RE: error 202 (Re: Msg 90036) From: DBREEDING To: DONALDS > Hi; in a earlier message you and Boisey mentioned that error 202 was > caused by not having the drive descripters inized. You mentioned a patch > for the disto drivers - I looked for that patch here in the data base and > was not ablr to find it. Could you email me that patch? I would be most > thankful. Don I'll try to look it up and upload it this weekend... If I don't, be sure to remind me again.. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 *** ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ -*- 90055 23-SEP 09:12 System Modules (6809) RE: error 202 (Re: Msg 90044) From: DONALDS To: DBREEDING OK; thanks for your effort. Don -*- End of Thread. -*- 90037 21-SEP 16:42 General Information Usenet and Gopher From: GREGL To: ALL The Usenet and Gopher areas should be available as soon as DELPHI unlocks them. The menu items are Usenet for the news groups and Internet Gopher for the Gopher area -- note that Gopher includes search utilities (i.e., Veronica) along with FTP sites. I added pretty much what I though y'all might want in the Usenet area so let me know if you want more added or think some news groups shouldn't be here. There's about four pages of news groups, from alt.best.of.internet to the gnu.* groups, plus the German OS-9 groups (de.comp.os.os9 and de.comp.os.os9. sources) for those of you fluent in die blizterschniggle -- whatever that is. :-) The Gopher area is somewhat bare at the moment. Your favorites are at the top followed by a Gopher menu then a link to the main Internet SIG stuff. The Gopher menu contains a link to the Internet SIG search tools, and some FTP sites -- mostly just the four CoCo/OS-9 sites like wuarchive.wustl.edu, chestnut.cs.wisc.edu, lucy.ifi.unibas.ch, and musie.phlab.missouri.edu. wuarchive and chestnut seem to work fairly well in my tests, but either lucy or musie (I can't remember which) gave me fits trying to get in -- I figure either it's slow or just too busy. If you continue to have problems, let me -- I'll keep an eye on it in the next day or so as well. Above all, let me know of any changes you want to see, additional sites, stuff that might make it easier, etc. For example, you think it might be a good idea to add the GNU archive sites along with perhaps ftp.dec.com -- the mother of archive sites? :-) -- Greg -*- 90043 21-SEP 23:11 General Information RE: Usenet and Gopher (Re: Msg 90037) From: DBREEDING To: GREGL > The Usenet and Gopher areas should be available as soon as DELPHI unlocks > them. This sounds really good... I'm still very much of a dummy on using Internet even from the Internet menu.. Is the access the same from here as from there? -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 *** ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ -*- 90047 22-SEP 12:48 General Information RE: Usenet and Gopher (Re: Msg 90043) From: GREGL To: DBREEDING The Internet and Gopher areas work pretty much the same here and in the Internet SIG, so you shouldn't have much problem switching between the two. The big difference, of course, is the content of the menus. -- Greg -*- End of Thread. -*- 90039 21-SEP 20:29 OSK Applications Get/SetSst Codes From: VAXELF To: ALL Thank you for all that sent info to me on the OS9 LII Get/Set codes I post a while ago. Further investigation show that they are SetSst codes for the SACIA serial port driver, thus are not standard codes. John D. -*- 90052 23-SEP 01:01 General Information Dynacalc on a VT100 From: MROWEN01 To: ALL HELP ME! I'm trying to use Dynacalc from my Coco3 on a /T2 attached terminal. I downloaded the VT100 for dynacalc file from the apps database here. There are no instructions with it. I presume that the .trm file is to replace the normal dynacalc.trm file. I am using a Wyse-60 setup for VT100 emulation. When I type dynacalc, it processes for a few seconds and then simply returns the prompt. No errors, it just ends dynacalc. How can I get this to work. With no instructions, perhaps I'm doing it wrong. The vt100 .trm file is the same size as the coco .trm file (12800) If anyone else is using this or has a work-around, please let me know. Thanks -Mike Rowen -*- 90059 24-SEP 00:37 General Information RE: Dynacalc on a VT100 (Re: Msg 90052) From: WDTV5 To: MROWEN01 Unforch, theres a totally junk message here, I clicked on the flippin .info file instead of the text. Here is the right answer (I hope) Mike; If I'm not mistaken, that .trm for dynacalc on /t2 assumes that it was called from a shell started by tsmon/login. tsmon and login then assure that your paths are correct, with /t2 becoming stdin, stdout, and stderr because it detected your terminal attached. You wake up tsmon with a carraige return (I think) and then tsmon determines the baud rate if its a late version of tsmon. It then calls login, which in turn asks you for a password entered at the terminal. It then looks up the password in the file /dd/sys/password, and if that same password is there it starts a shell on /t2. You then start dynacalc from the terminal. Dynacalc (if I recall correctly, its been a day or 500 since I read this) then determines that its running on /t2. The .trm file for /t2 should have all the control aliases for that particular terminal preset. In the case of the VT100, its pretty generic for most of the stuffs that dynacalc needs. While this may not be exact, its the general sequence that takes place to set up the paths to /t2 and get a shell running with /t2 as the 3 paths quoted above. Once thats done, then it should be pretty straight-forward. Read up in the os9 manual about tsmon and login to finetune this. I hope this helps; Cheers, Gene -*- 90067 24-SEP 19:22 General Information RE: Dynacalc on a VT100 (Re: Msg 90059) From: MROWEN01 To: WDTV5 Thanks. I tried this, but I still just get my OS prompt back when I enter the dynacalc command. It definitely does some processing, but nothing is letting me know what's wrong. I tried putting the .trm file in both the CMDS dir and the home dir set up in the password file. Perhaps the vt100 image I downloded is flawed. I'm stumped! Mike Rowen -*- End of Thread. -*- 90054 23-SEP 06:34 General Information Atlanta Info From: DIGIGRADE To: ALL Hi all, Could someone please reply to me with the When Where and How much for the upcomming Atlantafest? I just decided I have to go and I need info. Thanks Dave -*- 90060 24-SEP 10:44 General Information RE: Atlanta Info (Re: Msg 90054) From: MRUPGRADE To: DIGIGRADE Re> Atlanta Fest & NX-1000 printer for $10.00 Delivered! Beat this? A 9600 baud multifont print printer for $10.00 delivered! . That's right a Star NX-1000 9 pin printer (in good used condition) with true NLQ founts, and a wide variety of double to 6X print size. Selectable 80 to 160 Characters per inch. With a 4K buffer. Prints single sheets or fanfold. And handles CoCo Graphics in grand style. For use with the CoCo it will require a Serial to paralell interface, available from several sources. Between the 9600 buad and up to 120 cahracters per second print speed,, your CoCo print dumps will be flat out,,, flyin'! . Before I get an onslaught of mail offering ten dollar bills,, lemme say I'd expect to have more takers, then printers. (and I only have one) I need a way to decide which? Right? . Well, I have come up with a solution: "All ya gotta do is": Don't give the ten dollars to me, but to the: ASC which will get you a ticket to both days of "the Atlanta Fest". Then step over to the "Mid Iowa & Country CoCo," booth and enter,,,, !! THE SAHNGHAI CONTEST !! 1. The Best of Two games. random draw from: 2. The Ten minute challange 3. Best scores determined by: A. 2 "Beat the dragons", in least amount of total time. B 1 beat the dragon and Most tiles removed 2nd game. C. Most tiles removed in two games. D. In case of tie least amount of total time. 1st place: Star NX-1000 (used) 2nd place: Sundog's Photon, 512K ($20) game 3rd place: COCOPRO OS-9 Tools 2 4th and all others: get to see the entire show! . . !! 5TH ANNUAL ATLANTA COCO FEST !! Holiday Inn, Northlake October 1 & 2, 1994 Show hours Sat Oct 1 9:00 AM to 5:00 PM Sun Oct 2 9:00 AM to 5:00 PM Vendor set up Sept 30th 6:00 - 9:00 PM Admission $10.00 whole show Reservations, Holiday Inn Northlake 1-800-465-4329 Fest rates $59/ night Sponsered by Atlanta Computer Society PO Box 80694 Atlanta, GA 30366 BBS: 404-636-2991 . See you there! Terry Simons, UPGRADE Editor BTW: I should add,, just to give everyone a chance,, "I" Won't enter the contest. -*- 90072 24-SEP 22:52 General Information RE: Atlanta Info (Re: Msg 90060) From: CHARLESAM To: MRUPGRADE Terri, just put that printer aside for me, I'll be there and maybe the thousand hours I have playing Shanghai over the years is finally gonna pay off. Of course there may be someone out there who is faster and better but I'll have to see it to believe. And that includes you. No brag, just fact... ;-) he!he! ...Charlie... -*- 90075 25-SEP 00:12 General Information RE: Atlanta Info (Re: Msg 90072) From: MRUPGRADE To: CHARLESAM (NR) Well,, left is theh luck of the draw. As you who've played a lot realize,, Shanghai, will occassionally give you an unbeatable board. i.e. 3 like tiles stacked. Not too often,, but it happens. I7ve thought of allowing a replay,, when it's proven within thhe play. But considering 2 games each @ 10 minutes, each,,, (well 4 or 5 for guys like you),, if many are trying,, tikme may not allow. Suggestions??? Terry Simons UPGRADE Editor -*- 90079 25-SEP 13:31 General Information RE: Atlanta Info (Re: Msg 90054) From: JEJONES To: DIGIGRADE (NR) > Could someone please reply to me with the When Where and How much for > the upcomming Atlantafest? I just decided I have to go and I need info. Here goes: October 1-2, 1994 (9:00 a.m. - 5:00 p.m. Saturday, Oct.1; 9:00 a.m. - 3:00 p.m. Sunday, Oct. 2) Northlake Holiday Inn (800-465-4329 or 404-938-1026 for reservations) Admission is $10 for the whole show. Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors. Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside -*- End of Thread. -*- 90061 24-SEP 11:15 General Information atari_format From: PHXKEN To: WA2EGP (NR) MS-Dos 720K formatted disks can be used by the AtariST under TOS but not vice-versa. If you mean formatted for OSK, please ask me again and I will look it up. Some AtariSTs used single sided formats only. -*- 90062 24-SEP 11:51 General Information RE: OS-9 Patches for the Coco III (Re: Msg 89211) From: DENNYWRIGHT To: MIKE_GUZZI (NR) Actually I was wanting to know if you ever uploaded that file on how to hook up more than three drives to the coco 3 under os-9. If you have what section did you upload it too? Thanks -*- 90063 24-SEP 11:56 General Information Ghostscript From: LUCKYONE To: JOHNREED Hi, John. I have started using GhostScript v2.6x and I want to thank you and anyone else who made it available to the OSK world. I've had v2.4 for a long time as shelf ware and after downloading gs2 I decided to find out what all the fuss is about and found the program to be very useful. A couple of books that I have found to be very useful in learning how to use Gh(P)ostScript and haven't found mentioned in the docs anyplace are: "PostScript Language, Tutorial and Cookbook," published by Adobe Systems Inc. (ISBN 0-201-10179-3 or 10189-0) and "PostScript by Example" published by Addison-Wesley Publishing Co. (ISBN 0-201-63228-4). The second book has a lot more info including info about Level-2 PS. Thanks again. Howard Howard Luckey delphi LUCKYONE CIS 74746,3207 Hold an OS-9 conference and they will come. ********** By InfoXpress 1.01 ********** -*- 90065 24-SEP 14:28 General Information annoying process # From: TEDJAEGER To: ALL OS9 naivete on display! Been trying to write a bit of BASIC code to fork a background process from within another BASIC program. Have found that this approach works: DIM mod1:string[10] mod1="testproc &" shell mod1 In this example, testproc would be packed and stored in the execution directory. Only problem is this puts the process id (e.g., +13) assigned to testprocs on the screen of the main program. I dont want that +13 popping up on the screen of the main program so is there a modification, perhaps to line #3 above using /nil, that would avoid it? Thanks Bests ---TedJaeger -*- 90071 24-SEP 22:50 General Information RE: annoying process # (Re: Msg 90065) From: TIMKIENTZLE To: TEDJAEGER Try this: mod1 = "(testproc &)>>/nil" shell mod1 The thing to remember is that teh ``+13'' message is printed by the shell that puts ``testproc'' in the background. The parentheses here give the command ``testproc &'' to a subshell, whose stderr is redirected to /nil. The thing to be careful about is that this redirection will be inherited by testproc, so you have to be careful that testproc doesn't need stderr. (If my guess was wrong, and the shell uses stdout for that message, then you'll need to make the corresponding changes.) What I suspect most programs do is either clear and redisplay the screen after running the test program (equivalently on CoCo or OSK/KWindows: open an overlay and close it immediately after, with backing save enabled), or directly call the F$Fork call to run the background process. The latter path is definitely trickier, and requires knowing a few subtleties to get it right. - Tim -*- End of Thread. -*- 90066 24-SEP 18:40 General Information Seagate HD info From: TEDJAEGER To: ALL My friend has a Seagate 40 meg IDE HD model #st-351 A/X. He needs to know the number of cylinders, sectors, etc to configure his BIOS on his PC compatible. Also he needs to know how to set jumpers so the drive will function as a slave (second drive) on his system. Thanks for the info! Bests ---TedJaeger -*- 90076 25-SEP 01:56 General Information RE: Seagate HD info (Re: Msg 90066) From: REVWCP To: TEDJAEGER Dear Ted: There is a rather large file here on Delphi called seagate.ar that has the info you are looking for. It should be in the OS9 database, I think under general. With all best wishes, Brother Jeremy, CSJW OS9 User's Group Treasurer -*- End of Thread. -*- 90080 25-SEP 13:31 General Information less than a week left... From: JEJONES To: ALL Holy cow...less than a week until Atlanta. Once again I'll go see old friends and spend money. :-) If you haven't gone to a Fest, you really ought to if you can. It's a lot of fun. Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors. Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside -*- FORUM>Reply, Add, Read, "?" or Exit>