read new nonstop follow 87918 13-JUN 12:50 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 87894) From: CBJ To: MRUPGRADE You've gotten some mis-information. Attendance was atleast as good as last year and many booths were OSK & OS-9. RS-dos has some support still but for the most part there are few vendors that are willing to write new programs under that environmemnt. The vendors that made the most money were the ones that had new products to sell. Most of the new products were in the OSK area but Northern Xposure was an exception. The Glenside Club has already reserved the Holiday Inn for next year. We have at least 75% of the vendors saying they will be back next year. I suggest you ask some of the vendors directly for their impressions of the Fest. Carl z -*- 87919 13-JUN 19:26 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 87918) From: MRUPGRADE To: CBJ (NR) I have asked,,, but not being into OSK, I usually don't get much response. From what I heard there still just isn't much available foro OSK. Several remarked attendance seemed down. But it may have just appewared that way to them. the important thing, as youo state, there are enough vendors oto support it's continuation. Til then,,, Terry Simons -*- 87926 13-JUN 22:07 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 87919) From: KSCALES To: MRUPGRADE > I have asked,,, but not being into OSK, I usually don't get much > response. From what I heard there still just isn't much available foro > OSK. Terry, it's true that there aren't a large number of commercial software products for OSK. But if you include the many, many powerful non-commercial programs available, it far exceeds what is available for Level 2, except in the areas of games and graphics, IMHO. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237 =-=-=-=-=-= Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible =-=-=-=-=-= -*- 87929 13-JUN 22:58 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 87926) From: MRUPGRADE To: KSCALES RE> It (OSK) far exceeds what is available for Level 2,,,, All that much? Are we talking (grin) three or four pieces of software?? Sorry, Ken i couldn't resist. In applicaion software,, OS-9 is quite limited,, discounting the useless RS stuff. OS-9 or K as most will admit is a "hackers" not a "users" environment,, though it is changing. Til then,,, Terry Simons -*- 87944 14-JUN 21:21 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 87929) From: JEJONES To: MRUPGRADE > RE> It (OSK) far exceeds what is available for Level 2,,,, > All that much? Are we talking (grin) three or four pieces of > software?? Well...let's see. As far as text processing, there's TeX, Lout, and Ghostscript (a PostScript clone so that you don't have to have a PostScript printer in order to use PostScript), just off the top of my head. sc is a considerably more capable spreadsheet than DynaCalc, and the price ($0) is right. Ditto for gnuplot versus Phantomgraph, or elvis or stevie versus tsedit. I think Microware still sells SmartWare for OS-9/68000, which is an integrated word processor, database, and spreadsheet. For that matter, I'd bet that a fair number of packages available both for OS-9/6809 and OS-9/68000 are developed first for OS-9/68000, or improvements made first in the 68xxx version, because the developer can concentrate on the product rather than on working around the limitations of the 6809 and the debugging environment is a lot better. Some improvements don't make it into the 6809 version (vide Vprint and Ved). Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors. Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside -*- 87946 14-JUN 22:55 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 87919) From: HAWKSOFT To: MRUPGRADE Terry: For what it's worth (2 cents). The 'fest was as well attended (maybe better) than last year at Chicago. Altho I do work with os9 and osk, my biggest seller was an RSDOS program! HAWKSoft Home Control allows you to use the old Coco Plug 'n Power controller from RS with your Coco 3! It doesn't have the questionable block graphics that the Rom-Pak used, but, does allow you to program the controller to run your home. Also, it was the BEST 'fest (profit-wise) in several years!! Chris :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> Chris "HAWKSoft" <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: Delphi: HAWKSOFT Internet: HAWKSOFT@DELPHI.COM ******************< Uploaded w/ InfoXpress vr. 1.01.00 >****************** -*- 87949 14-JUN 23:00 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 87944) From: MRUPGRADE To: JEJONES I'd guess OS-9000 would have a fair amount of application. Why am I saying this to you the expert?? Just saying,, it wouold be a fair assumption form even a lil ol RSDOSer, like myself. it was the comparison to CoCo OS-9 applicaion availability,, I found to be a but humorous. In that case,, are we talking two or three pieces? Til then,,, Terry Simons -*- 87954 14-JUN 23:48 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 87946) From: JRUPPEL To: HAWKSOFT (NR) And all of us there really appreciated you and the missus in those SNAZZY UNIFORMS! Coco Trekkies unite! John Ruppel Coconuts in Lansing -*- 87955 14-JUN 23:52 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 87929) From: KSCALES To: MRUPGRADE (NR) > RE> It (OSK) far exceeds what is available for Level 2,,,, > All that much? Are we talking (grin) three or four pieces of > software?? Sorry, Ken i couldn't resist. In applicaion software,, OS-9 > is quite limited,, discounting the useless RS stuff. OS-9 or K as most > will admit is a "hackers" not a "users" environment,, though it is > changing. Til then,,, Terry Simons Hi, Terry - I'm afraid that there is a tendency for Level 2 users to see OS-9 through "CoCo coloured glasses". I won't try to kid you that we don't long for more applications under OS-9/68000 -- there are still lots of opportunities for folks to fill in the gaps! But the world of OS-9/68000 applications really is significantly expanded beyond what is available under Level 2. As one of the publishers involved in this market, it would probably be a good idea for you to familiarize yourself with what is really out there, in order to ensure that you "know your potential market". Here is a sampling of the available applications. I will try to avoid any that are specific to a single platform (e.g., MM/1): most of the following should run on ANY sufficiently configured (e.g. enough memory, etc.) OS-9/68000 box. No attempt to be comprehensive here -- mostly just some of the stuff I have collected on my harddrive, or am aware of... Text Editing/Processing: umacs, Ved, DynaStar (commercial) mg2a, elvis, vue ispell awk, sed, ... "volks hypertext" viewer Document Layout and Processing (Desktop Publishing) TeX, Ghostscript, lout gnuplot CirCADD (schematic design) gif2ps, dvips, psf, dvi2ep2... Ray Tracing: dkb_osk, pov_osk Audio/Graphics Processing: sox_osk jpeg Communications (excluding terminal programs): faxsend (GNU NetFax) ka9q/net (packet radio, SLIP, FTP...) RCIS, UUCPbb atp Spreadsheets: ControlCalc (commercial) sc Database: Sculptor, IMS, datadex (commercial) home librarian Games: Aside from the Rogue/Moria/Sokoban/etc. family, some highlights: InfoCom game interpretter GNUChess Developers' Tools: Too numerous to even make a dent! Highlights, aside from Microware's library: GCC (ANSI C-compiler), GPP (C++ compiler) flexelint (commercial) System Management: Speedisk (disk optimizer; commercial) bash, sh, csh, ... gzip, unarj, ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237 =-=-=-=-=-= Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible =-=-=-=-=-= -*- 87961 15-JUN 07:31 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 87949) From: JEJONES To: MRUPGRADE (NR) A while back I was watching Larry King Live on CNN, and King had as his guest the comic Rich Hall. Hall is probably most famous for his "Sniglets," and people were calling in with suggestions for new sniglets. Most of them fell extremely flat. It occurred to me then that I was very lucky to be a programmer--because if I go to a party or meet a friend of a friend, and it comes up in conversation that I'm a programmer, the person to whom I get introduced will never collar me and show me this great new sort routine he came up with. Comedians aren't that fortunate. Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors. Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside -*- End of Thread. -*- 87920 13-JUN 19:29 General Information 9600 Baud modem? From: MRUPGRADE To: ALL As modem prices come down,, what is theh going price of a decent 9600 baud modem? What models are recommended? Til then,,, Terry Simons -*- 87927 13-JUN 22:49 General Information RE: 9600 Baud modem? (Re: Msg 87920) From: JEJONES To: MRUPGRADE > As modem prices come down,, what is theh going price of a decent > 9600 baud modem? I think that these days one can find v.32bis modems going for $150-$200, and those run 14.4K bit/sec, so 9600 bit/sec should run less than that. I wouldn't be a good source for what good brands are...heck, I bought a CompuCom Star just before the company went bankrupt. (OTOH, aside from not having gotten the v.42 modes promised in a later firmware version, it's been a reliable beast, so I don't think their demise was for technological reasons.) Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors. Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside -*- 87932 14-JUN 00:54 General Information RE: 9600 Baud modem? (Re: Msg 87927) From: MITHELEN To: JEJONES Yes, as James says, 14.4K baud modems (v.32bis) are going for ~ $150 -$200 for external units (I have actually seen some even less then that though on specials) For long term reliability, I'd have to recomend Hayes, or US Robotics they cost a bit more (especially the Hayes) but the tech support is great and you have guerenteed compatiblity. I have a Hayse Optima 96 (it is only a v.32 9600 baud modem) and it is a real trouper (a friend has 8 of them on his Unix box) My other modem is a Zypcom Z32b-SZ, which is a v.32bis 14.4K/FAX modem. I've only had it for about 4 or 5 months, so far it is still working, but it does have a few weird idiosyncrocies (?SP?) that make it act strange once and a while. (i paid 150$ total on it) it is also upgradeable to V.Fast which is the 28.8K baud "standard". -- Paul -*- 87945 14-JUN 22:22 General Information RE: 9600 Baud modem? (Re: Msg 87920) From: LMCCLURE To: MRUPGRADE If you are buying new, I would strongly recommend going with a 14.4Kbps, as the price difference between these and 9600bps modems is typically small. In fact, flipping throught the July issue of Computer Shopper, I note that quite a few places don't advertise 9600bps (V.32) modems... even those that also advertise 2400bps models. I myself have nothing but good things to say about Practical Peripherals. I currently own a used 9600SA, which has performed very well for me, and on an occasion in which it did not, it was replaced for a mere $15, which included 2-day UPS return shipment. I have had mixed experience with Supra's equipment. My first, a basic 2400bps model, worked without problem. Later, when I acquired their 2400+ (with MNP & V.42bis), I found it could not connect via Sprintnet with a MNP-4 connection. Neither my older Data Race modem (with MNP) , nor my current PP 9600SA (with MNP & V.42bis)have had any problem of this sort. The fact that Supra offered no means to upgrade the ROM or otherwise alleviate the problem left me wary of their current products. -*- End of Thread. -*- 87921 13-JUN 20:07 General Information RE: Nitros9 and Graphics (Re: Msg 87916) From: CHARLESAM To: ILLUSIONIST Yeah Mike, Nitros9 takes alot of time and effort, least for me it did. I just found out my printer won't work under Nitros9. Back to the drawing board again. I just heard yesterday about the crytal hack. I hope '68 Micros' has something on it. Thanx for your input. Charlie -*- 87924 13-JUN 22:07 General Information RE: Nitros9 and Graphics (Re: Msg 87921) From: WDTV5 To: CHARLESAM Hi Charles; I expect the printer problem is because you're useing a seriel printer and the nitro speedup just made your 2400 baud driver into a 3100 baud driver! /send jrupple dunno, it was/is slow to my thinking too Try the program utility called tuneport, it may restore operation. As I recall, you'll have to resave 'printer' afterwards as its been modified to adjust its time delay loop that control the fine tuning of the baud rate. Essentially the same thing I had to do to 'um3play' to make the midi driver work again. I expect ypu'll get other similar msgs too. Cheers Charley; Gene -*- 87925 13-JUN 22:07 General Information RE: Nitros9 and Graphics (Re: Msg 87921) From: KSCALES To: CHARLESAM > Yeah Mike, Nitros9 takes alot of time and effort, least for me it did. I > just found out my printer won't work under Nitros9. Back to the drawing > board again. Charlie, this is a common problem with folks after they first set up NitrOS9. You probably need to run the "tuneport" utility to adjust the timing on the bit-banger port, since NitrOS has changed the speed of the timing loop. Regards... / Ken -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237 =-=-=-=-=-= Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible =-=-=-=-=-= -*- 87928 13-JUN 22:58 General Information RE: Nitros9 and Graphics (Re: Msg 87924) From: CHARLESAM To: WDTV5 Thanx Gene! I never used tuneport but I guess I'll learn now. I'll get out the books and have a go. Someone else mentioned it to me yesterday but they was just guessing. Good guess I'd say. I'll get back on this and let you know how it turned out. Regards Charlie -*- 87930 13-JUN 23:04 General Information RE: Nitros9 and Graphics (Re: Msg 87925) From: CHARLESAM To: KSCALES Thanx Ken, Gene and Keith agree on that so I guess its a go. As I told Gene, I never used tuneport but I'll learn now.... This is teaching me alot of things I would not have taken the time to learn so even if I never get it 100%, I'll have learned how to use several very good utils. Eg. EZ-GEN. I could have saved myself so much time if I had read thr e docs on this utility when I got it. Thanx again Charlie -*- End of Thread. -*- 87922 13-JUN 21:22 System Modules (6809) RE: Ramdisk (Re: Msg 87822) From: ROYBUR To: WDTV5 sorry to be so late; i see your last note was 06/08/94. so wha' hoppen'd t'the time?! actually, i've been livin' on the job, lately - thanks to a layoff, i got shoved into a position for which i'm near-totally unqualified. 'course, that's true of about _every_ job that exists! anyway, belated congrats...KNEW you'd make it work! 8*)..........roy -*- 87923 13-JUN 22:02 System Modules (6809) RE: Ramdisk (Re: Msg 87922) From: WDTV5 To: ROYBUR (NR) Thanks, now if Paul would make it visible . . . Cheers Roy, Gene -*- End of Thread. -*- 87931 14-JUN 00:05 General Information Survey From: REVWCP To: ALL Dear friends: I am currently working on an article for one of the OS9 magazines and I need to conduct an informal survey. While at the Fest in Chicago, I got to meet so many of you and I came to realize that with the amount of gray hair in my beard, and the lack of hair of any color further up, I am beginning to feel like one of the geezers of OS-9. After all, I am over forty. I was amazed at how young some of you are, and that brings me to the point of this posting. Could you please take a moment and answer the following: 1. Name. 2. Current age. 3. Age at which you got started on the COCO. 4. Age at which you got started with OS9. 5. Did you have formal programming training? For example, I am going on 41. I was 33 when I aquired my first COCO2. And I started working with OS9 in 1988 with OS9 at age 35. I have not had any formal programming training, just what I have learned with the help of so many of you. Thank you for you replies. With all best wishes, Brother Jeremy, CSJW OS9 Users Group Treasurer -*- 87933 14-JUN 01:39 General Information RE: Survey (Re: Msg 87931) From: COCOKIWI To: REVWCP Dennis McMillan > 1 < 2 > 49 going on 50 3 >37....Jan 81 CoCo-1.....4 >os9 level 1.00 when it came out 82 ? 5 thats why I got the CoCo....I did learn a lot! Regards Dennis -*- 87938 14-JUN 16:24 General Information RE: Survey (Re: Msg 87931) From: ILLUSIONIST To: REVWCP 1. Michael Graffam 2. 19 3. 14 4. 14 5. the only formal training I had at 14 was Logo..but I taught myself some basic. -*- 87940 14-JUN 19:10 General Information RE: Survey (Re: Msg 87931) From: DSPICER To: REVWCP REVWCP> 1. Name. Dave Spicer REVWCP> 2. Current age. 39 REVWCP> 3. Age at which you got started on the COCO. 27 REVWCP> 4. Age at which you got started with OS9. 34 REVWCP> 5. Did you have formal programming training? No Composed on 14 Jun 1994 @ 10:57:57 Access CoCo of L.A.(Lower Alabama) Now Running and Supporting OS/2 (205)598-2100 * ODN 1.00af Beta - Delphi Navigator for OS/2 * -*- 87941 14-JUN 20:39 General Information RE: Survey (Re: Msg 87931) From: JOHNREED To: REVWCP > 1. Name. John R. Wainwright > 2. Current age. 49 > 3. Age at which you got started on the COCO. 38 (A 16k Silver F-board COCO - still works) > 4. Age at which you got started with OS9. 39 > 5. Did you have formal programming training? "Introductory" courses in COBOL, FORTRAN, and flowcharting at National Security Agency while I was stationed there during my time in the Air Force. (1964-71). Took a course in high school on the operation of an early computer called the "slide rule". 6. Less hair than Br. Jeremy. My hairs never turn gray -- they just leave. 7. "Geezers?" Not me! I don't feel a bit different than I did at 25 -- unless I try to move. > ******************************** A stitch in time -------------------- ------ is worth two in the bush John R. Wainwright <> <> -*- 87948 14-JUN 22:56 General Information RE: Survey (Re: Msg 87931) From: HAWKSOFT To: REVWCP Brother Jeremy: First, It was GREAT to see you at the 'fest and like so many others, a shame that we couldn'd spend more time. > 1. Name. > 2. Current age. > 3. Age at which you got started on the COCO. > 4. Age at which you got started with OS9. > 5. Did you have formal programming training? 1. Christopher Robin Hawks 2. 41 3. 29 (or so It was a long time ago) 4. 32 (" " " " " " " " ) 5. No I like to read (esp tech manuals) and picked up a lot from doing! (And lost quite a bit of hair in the process!!! ) Chris :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> Chris "HAWKSoft" <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: Delphi: HAWKSOFT Internet: HAWKSOFT@DELPHI.COM ******************< Uploaded w/ InfoXpress vr. 1.01.00 >****************** -*- 87950 14-JUN 23:37 General Information RE: Survey (Re: Msg 87931) From: JRUPPEL To: REVWCP As another who shares the same malladies (as you may remember from the fest) I am 44, I got my first Coco in 86 when my old IIe died an untimely death. I started working with OS-9 3 years ago at age 41. I have an extensive background in computers and computer science, languages, etc. going back to the middle 60's when Michigan State installed the first CDC3600 in an entire floor of the math building . I am currently hacking a 2-meg Coco 3 with a 6309... Jon Ruppel Coconuts in Lansing -*- 87957 15-JUN 00:00 General Information RE: Survey (Re: Msg 87931) From: WDTV5 To: REVWCP Brother Jeremy: 1. Gene Heskett 2. 59 (& holding, but my grip is weakening) 3. 51, CoCo 1, it still worked a year ago! 4. 52, OS-9 1.00 its bugs nearly sent me away. 5. No, I started out on a Quest "Super Elf" kit, RCA 1802 based, which is still running and doing the job I programmed it to do in 79! Then tried the Z-80, TI9900 & then found the 6809! The instruction set sold me, the only one that made ANY sense that I had run into. I mean, who ever heard of a relative branch limited to -126 +128 distance? NO long relative branchs allowed! As for the 9900, its a very unique architecture, no internal registers except its register pointer. To switch tasks, just reload the pointer to a new set of vars in memory. No flags to save or anything like that. It doesn't have "relative" branchs. 6809 beats it easily for overall ease pf programming (IMHO) Cheers, Gene -*- End of Thread. -*- 87934 14-JUN 02:17 System Modules (6809) NitrOS9 v1.20 From: BRIANOHAGAN To: ALL Just thought I would pass along the following from Fidonet: Message No. 106 was left on 06-08-94 13:57:57 To....... : Brian O'Hagan From..... : Colin Mckay Subject.. : Re: NitrOS9 Message Conference #37 "CoCo OS9 (National Conference)" > So how does one contact Bill and Curtis in order to purchase Nitros9? Bill and/or Curtis should be making an announcement here some time this week regarding the status of NitrOS-9. Summed up briefly, v1.20 is scheduled for release around mid-July, and you should wait until then before purchase, as the price has been lowered. If you need further information, you can contact me at (613)736-0329. Those who already own NitrOS-9 should also wait for the announcement. TTYL. Colin. Colin McKay | Abandon every hope, ye who enter here. Northern Xposure | Dante (1265-1321) 'Inferno', Canto iii cmckay@northx.isis.org | [ Inscription over the gate to Hell ] --- Maximus-CBCS v1.02 * Origin: Micro80 Computer Club of Ottawa BBS (1:163/306) Message No. 100 was left on 06-07-94 20:10:35 To....... : Brian O'Hagan From..... : Curtis Boyle Subject.. : Re: NitrOS9 Message Conference #37 "CoCo OS9 (National Conference)" You can contact either one of us here on FidoNet, or you can write to us at: Curtis Boyle or Bill Nobel Mercury Graphics Corporation 1438 Fletcher Road Saskatoon, SK Canada S7M 5T2 Maybe put a RE: NitrOS9 on the address as well so Bill or I can tell if it is regular work business or NitrOS9 related (our work is letting us use their address for correspondence, since one of us is bound to be their every weekday. Prevents letters from getting locked up for a couple of weeks if one of us is on vacation). For dire emergencies, you can call us (by name) at work too, but don't do it too often, as our work doesn't want to pay us for doing support for a product that they have nothing to do with (except for printing our manuals at a good price). The number there is (306)-384-8000. In the evenings, you can call me (306)-384-4722 or Bill (306)-978-0834 at home. We will have some distributors soon for the new Version 1.20 release, as well as our new upgrade/purchase policy, hopefully by the end of June, work schedules permitting. We were pretty busy after getting back from the Fest, and finally had time to print some manuals (V1.15/16) for backorders this afternoon, so we haven't had too much time to do much with NitrOS9. We should get the manuals mailed out to individuals waiting for them by the end of the week, and then start doing some bug-hunting/last minute updates & the new manual after that. We will keep you posted as to our progress on this echo. If anyone with Delphi/Internet/Compu$erve access can pass this info along, please do...I don't have access to most of it anymore. --- Opus-CBCS 1.73a * Origin: The North Village OPUS, 14.4, OS/2, (306)384-0836 (1:140/26.0) -*- 87936 14-JUN 07:59 Rainbow OS-9 Material ($) RE: OS9 LEVEL II (Re: Msg 87846) From: DONALDS To: CADELLE I have a copy of OS9 Level II(with a copy of level I ver.2) for 25.00 plus 3.00 shipping; if you are still interested. Don -*- 87960 15-JUN 04:30 Rainbow OS-9 Material ($) RE: OS9 LEVEL II (Re: Msg 87936) From: CADELLE To: DONALDS (NR) PLEASE TELL ME HOW I CAN GET THE COPY OF OS9 LEVEL II YOU HAVE YOU MAY LEAVE A MESSAGE HERE OR WRITE ME. MY ADDRESS IS: ANTHONY MORRIS 7520 POTRANCO APT. 2711 SAN ANTONIO TEXAS 78251 PHONE (210)-681-9430 -*- End of Thread. -*- 87937 14-JUN 14:01 Programmers Den RE: C programming again From: MROWEN01 To: COLORSYSTEMS Thanks for the feedback. I tried changing the increment operator on Monday night. This of course showed no change, nor did the number of times the loop ran. I knew something was up. I'll try the global declaration. I take it you have done some significat C programming on the Coco? Should large arrays generally be declared as global in any C programming environment? I'm definitely looking for style tips, something books won't generally tell you. It's also difficult to find any books on C under an OS other than MS-DOS. I have a good older UNIX book that has been helpful. What I would really like to see is some good source code for the Coco. This would help me learn some techniques and get a flavor of the style. Where can I find some well written C source? -Mike -*- 87943 14-JUN 21:19 Programmers Den RE: C programming again (Re: Msg 87937) From: COLORSYSTEMS To: MROWEN01 > I take it you have done some significat C programming on the Coco? I market two game packs for the CoCo3 and OS9 Level 2. Each game pack has 5 variations. All 10 of the game programs were written in C using the Kreider Lib and the Tandy cgfx.l library from the Development Pack. The compiler front end used rma and rlink also from the Dev Pack. All use 100% "legal" OS-9 code. All graphics are done with standard cgfx.l calls and Get/Put Buffers. > Should large arrays generally be declared as global in any C > programming environment? No, you need to understand how the compiler implements that kind of stuff. In the micro world, you tend to have to worry about memory in some way or another. With CoCo C, you cannot write a program that either starts out larger than 64K or dynamically grow (using the malloc() function) past 64K. You also need to worry about how the stack is implemented. In CoCo C, there is normally stack overflow checking, but apparently it doesn't always work. > style. Where can I find some well written C source? One place is books on C programming. Most books come with a disk of the source files. There is also an abundance of source files here in Delphi's library. Some contributed by myself. Go look in the Programmer's Den. ------------------------------------ Zack C Sessions They say, "Money talks". But all mine ever says is, "Goodbye". -*- 87952 14-JUN 23:48 Programmers Den RE: C programming again (Re: Msg 87937) From: JEJONES To: MROWEN01 > I take it you have done some significat C programming on the > Coco? Since he's the author of WPShell, and lots of games for the CoCo, I would reckon that Zack has done significant C programming on the CoCo (and other systems, since I've wasted more time than I'd like to admit playing his solitaire games on my MM/1. :-) :-) Not to say "gee, didn't you know," just justifying my suspicions. > Should large arrays generally be declared as global in any C > programming environment? Depends. If you don't know how big the array needs to be until run time, then you can't declare it as global; instead, you have to declare a pointer and allocate the space dynamically with malloc() or something like it. Also, there's a lot to be said for keeping data access sort of like security, namely on a "need to know" basis. (And like security, if too many people "need to know," then something's seriously wrong.) Making stuff global that doesn't have to be violates that principle, so you might want to consider making such an array static. > I'm definitely looking for style tips, something > books won't generally tell you. Style is to some extent a religious issue (i.e. it induces many "holy wars"). Thomas Plum puts out some good books with advice on C style and conventions, but keep an eye out for examples of good style. > What I would really like to see is some good source code for the > Coco. This would help me learn some techniques and get a flavor of the > style. Shucks, you were way ahead of me already. > Where can I find some well written C source? IMHO, you might, ahem, want to take a look at the source to QED, recently uploaded here on Delphi. (Ahem. :-) Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors. Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside -*- End of Thread. -*- 87939 14-JUN 17:21 General Information RE: Sony Service Anecdote (Re: Msg 87833) From: MARTYGOODMAN To: CLTUCKER (NR) Sorry... NONE of my references cover Sony BRAND hard drives. Do you know the capacity and interface type? (such as "forty megs, mfm") Just curious. It might help me locate more about it. Tho my references for old style small size mfm drives have never in the past failed me! ---marty -*- 87942 14-JUN 20:57 Programmers Den RE: "INKEY" in C (Re: Msg 87881) From: JHICKLE To: ALWAGNER (NR) ! = single precision floating point variable = float in C # = double " = double % = integer variable = int -*- 87947 14-JUN 22:55 General Information RE: runb/basic memory allocation (Re: Msg 87899) From: HAWKSOFT To: THUNDERFNGRS (NR) > I wrote a basic program that uses a parameter. My friend can run it using > his mac under ultrascience osk . The strange thing is that you get a > parameter error 56 most of the time unless you allocate a mystical memory > number. Here is an example of the command line: > multiqte43 #130k 3 > > Sometimes 130k works sometimes 170k sometimes 150k sometimes 200k. It's > always changing. You get it to work, run the program, go back to the > shell prompt > and the mystical magical memory number is different! You wind up A little more info might help. Does the problem occur on your system or your friend's MAC or both? What kind of parameter are you requiring? (it is defined properly in the PARAM statement, right?) Are you copying the parameter to another structure? I usually use: PARAM that:integer DIM this:integer this:=4 *default on error goto 100 this:=that 100 continue program (this=4 if no param) Chris :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> Chris "HAWKSoft" <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: Delphi: HAWKSOFT Internet: HAWKSOFT@DELPHI.COM ******************< Uploaded w/ InfoXpress vr. 1.01.00 >****************** -*- 87951 14-JUN 23:40 General Information Survey From: MMCCLELLAND To: REVWCP 1>Mark McClelland 2>Age=16 3>Got started with the CoCo at 7 4>Got startep\´ OS-9 about two months ago 5>No, I am a self-taught programmer. -=Mark=- -*- 87953 14-JUN 23:48 General Information anybody want to help? From: JEJONES To: ALL I saw this on the net. Anybody interested in attending inclusive-or helping? (Admittedly, his time goal is pretty darned optimistic!) >Newsgroups: comp.os.os9 >From: reh@fore.com (Russ Hoffman) >Subject: OS-9 Convention in Pittsburgh? >Followup-To: reh@fore.com >Keywords: OS-9 CONVENTION >Organization: FORE Systems Inc. Pittsburgh, PA. >Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 21:54:56 GMT > >Folks, > I am wondering what interest there would be in putting together an OS-9 >gathering in Pittsburgh, PA, USA, at some point in the near future. I was >planning on finding a place (Expo Mart, David Lawrence Center, Civic Arena, a >local college, etc.) to stage a large regional OS-9 meeting. What I want is for >vendors, users, and user groups alike to be able to get together and see what >the latest and greatest is in the world of OS-9. If enough people are >interested, I'd like to try to organize this to happen sometime before the >end of the summer/early fall. > >Naturally, I'll need a little help, especially with phone calls, emailing, and >funding to rent a place to meet. Right now, I'm willing to supply the >enthusiasm! > >Russ Hoffman >reh@fore.com Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors. Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside -*- 87956 14-JUN 23:53 General Information Discontinued software From: MMCCLELLAND To: ALL Can anyone out there enlighten me as to where I can acquire copies of any or all of the following: -A good RMA assembler -Microware C (or better if possible) -OS-9 Developer's Package -The latest version of UMusE -A subscription to Rainbow (if it is still in existance) If you can tell me where to get the above or if you can sell me one of the programs, leave me a Forum message or some E-mail. Thanx! -=Mark=- -*- 87959 15-JUN 00:53 General Information RE: Discontinued software (Re: Msg 87956) From: MITHELEN To: MMCCLELLAND (NR) > Can anyone out there enlighten me as to where I can acquire copies of any or > all of the following: > -A good RMA assembler There is only one, and it is available in Tandys Developers Pack. > -Microware C (or better if possible) > -OS-9 Developer's Package These _can_ be still ordered from Tandy (at least that is what I have heard) Not sure if it is through Express order, Special order, or Software assembly. Basically, ANY software package from Tandy can still be obtained, it just takes a little work. Someone else might be able to fill you in on the details > -The latest version of UMusE Kala Software sells it, sorry, don't have their address or phone number. Mike Knudsen occasionally pops onto delphi (ragtimer) he is also a member of the Glenside Color Computer Club, and may sell directly to you. > -A subscription to Rainbow (if it is still in existance) Alas, the Rainbow has been truely discontinued for some time (has it been 2... or three years now) There are several other small publications that have sprung up and are all excellent (from what I hear. I don't subscribe to all of them) Unforch, I don't have info on any of them handy. I'm sure someone else here will point you in the right direction. -- Paul Jerkatis - SandV BBS (708)352-0948: Chicago Area OS-9 Users Group UUCP: amiserv.xnet.com!vpnet!sandv!mithelen ...or... mithelen@sandv.chi.il.us Internet: MITHELEN@Delphi.com -*- End of Thread. -*- 87958 15-JUN 00:47 General Information Survey From: CHARLESAM To: REVWCP Name. Charlie Marlow Age. 50 Started with Coco. 40 Started with OS9 48 Formal Ed. None related to computers. -*- FORUM>Reply, Add, Read, "?" or Exit>