85090 22-JAN 11:05 General Information RE: Hi Speed number (Sprintnet/Tymnet) (Re: Msg 84987) From: TOMFANN To: JSHEPLER You live in Akron? So do I! ..Tom Fann -*- 85091 22-JAN 11:10 General Information RE: Microware in the WSJ (Re: Msg 84995) From: TOMFANN To: FHOGG I saw it Thursday and it just made my day. Their failure to capitalize "color computer" was very irritating, though. The part I like best is Microsoft admitting that OS9 beat them. ..Tom Fann -*- 85098 22-JAN 13:11 General Information RE: Microware in the WSJ (Re: Msg 85091) From: FHOGG To: TOMFANN I think this has more meaning that we think. It 'may' mean something bigger than OS9 on the CoCo did 10 years ago. -*- 85099 22-JAN 14:34 General Information RE: Microware in the WSJ (Re: Msg 85098) From: TOMFANN To: FHOGG I would certainly hope that Bell Atlantic has more of a vision than did Tandy, and OS9 will finally get the recognition it deserves. Tandy did choose OS9 for the CoCo, but after that they dropped the ball. OS9 and the Color Computer were (are) an unbeatable combination of power, low price, and accessibility. To my dying day I will be convinced that Tandy COULD have changed the course of computing if they had concentrated on the CoCo and OS9 instead of IBM-compatibles, with inexpensive, multitasking, windowing computers in Radio Shacks in every little town in America. They would have had to bring out a CoCo professionally co onfigured, of course, with a separate keyboard, built-in MPI and disk drives, etc. (sort of like your TC-9), but they could have done it inexpensively, and it would have blown away contemporary IBM's and Macs. This is all useless speculation, but I enjoy useless speculation . Yes, I hope OS9 finally takes off, even though it won't be on the CoCo. ..Tom Fann -*- 85116 23-JAN 00:05 General Information RE: Microware in the WSJ (Re: Msg 85099) From: PAGAN To: TOMFANN (NR) >To my dying day I will be convinced that Tandy COULD have changed the course >of computing if they had concentrated on the CoCo and OS9 instead of >IBM-compatibles... I doubt that Tandy could have sold the COCO to business in competition with the IBM P.C. As a home computer though it is still, IMO, unparalleled in bang per buck. However, rumor has it that the OS9 clique at Tandy had a 68000 based machine with quality graphics and a GUI in the works around '85 or '86. That could have stomped the compatibles and the Mac flat! However, Tandy's management was sleeping with Microsoft at the time so the project got squashed. Would have been better for the computing world because OS9 is not a "shrink wrap" opsys. Competition would exist not just in the speed of the hardware but the efficiency of the port. Also, because software would have to be device independent, the transition to RISC would have probably happened four or five years ago in high end PC's and would be reaching the home user about now. If it sounds like I'm claiming Microsoft and Intel have held computer development back, you're right. Stephen (PAGAN) -*- 85131 23-JAN 15:21 General Information RE: Microware in the WSJ (Re: Msg 85099) From: DSPICER To: TOMFANN (NR) >I would certainly hope that Bell Atlantic has more of a vision than did >Tandy, and OS9 will finally get the recognition it deserves. Tandy did >choose OS9 for the CoCo, but after that they dropped the ball. OS9 and the >Color Computer were (are) an unbeatable combination of power, low price, >and accessibility. To my dying day I will be convinced that Tandy COULD >have changed the course of computing if they had concentrated on the CoCo >and OS9 instead of IBM-compatibles, with inexpensive, multitasking, >windowing computers in Radio Shacks in every little town in America. They >would have had to bring out a CoCo professionally configured, of course, >with a separate keyboard, built-in MPI and disk drives, etc. (sort of like >your TC-9), but they could have done it inexpensively, and it would have >blown away contemporary IBM's and Macs. This is all useless speculation, >but I enjoy useless speculation . I don't think Tandy can take all the blame. As I recall, Tandy was pushing OS9 on its CoCo users way back in the beginning. But with documentation that leaved ALOT to be desired as well as a rather high price tag for the software, most CoCo users were scared to even attempt OS9. Only in recent years has the majority taken the plunge. Too little, too late. >Yes, I hope OS9 finally takes off, even though it won't be on the CoCo. I'll second that! -*- End of Thread. -*- 85092 22-JAN 11:16 General Information RE: Global Warming (Re: Msg 85087) From: COLORSYSTEMS To: ROYBUR The corelation between sunspot activity and weather trends has yet to be proven. ------------------------------------ Zack C Sessions ColorSystems "I am Homer of Borg, prepare to be assimi ... OOOOHHH, DOUGHNUTS!" -*- 85100 22-JAN 15:40 General Information RE: Global Warming (Re: Msg 85092) From: ROYBUR To: COLORSYSTEMS i used to think the idea was something like astrology, but as with astrology i try to remain a little open about the possibility. 8*).........roy -*- 85111 22-JAN 23:22 General Information RE: Global Warming (Re: Msg 85100) From: WA2EGP To: ROYBUR In the words of Judge Harold T. Stone: "I keep an open mind, but not so open that my brains will fall out!" Thought you'd appreciate that. -*- 85113 23-JAN 00:01 General Information RE: Global Warming (Re: Msg 85087) From: PAGAN To: ROYBUR >just the other day, a friend mentioned sunspot activity, claiming that for >the next 11 years or so we'll be having some strange weather...any comments >on that idea? 8*)...............roy Well, if your friend's basing that on astrology (mess #85100ge is the day I quit programming and join a drug cult. Weather on Earth is a chaotic system and, as sll change slighi One article I read claimed that, even if we could identify all of the inputs to a chaotic system like the weather, we still couldn't accurately predict bye -*- 85114 23-JAN 00:03 General Information RE: Global Warming (Re: Msg 85087) From: PAGAN To: ROYBUR >just the other day, a friend mentioned sunspot activity, claiming that for >the next 11 years or so we'll be having some strange weather...any comments >on that idea? 8*)...............roy Well, if your friend's basing that on astrology (mess #85100) I'd have to say "get a life!". The day astrology is a better predictor of system behavior than mathematics and physics is the day I quit programming and join a drug cult. Weather on Earth is a chaotic system and, as such, is very sensitive to initial conditions. Sunspot activity will change slightly the amount of energy reaching the Earth and a solar flare will pump out bunches of charged particles. What effect this may have on weather is not at all understood as far as I know. One article I read claimed that, even if we could identify all of the inputs to a chaotic system like the weather, we still couldn't accurately predict the state at any time because some of the state changes are random. Has something to do with harmonic confluence or some such phlogiston - I'm not a good enough mathematician to understand it completely. Stephen (PAGAN) -*- 85121 23-JAN 01:21 General Information RE: Global Warming (Re: Msg 85114) From: MITHELEN To: PAGAN (NR) I think what them weather folks should really do is spend more time figureing out how to CONTROL the weather, then how to predict it... Seems like a more wothwile endevor... Then they could move rain to where it was needed and keep it warm in the midwest in the winter, so I could go watersking year round. -*- 85122 23-JAN 01:48 General Information RE: Global Warming (Re: Msg 85111) From: ROYBUR To: WA2EGP (NR) yep, i do appreciate it. only...i don't think i have any toooooo much to worry about in that regard! i think i'm getting exponentially, er, "less intelligent" since oh, my 40th birthday. 8*)...........roy -*- 85123 23-JAN 01:54 General Information RE: Global Warming (Re: Msg 85113) From: ROYBUR To: PAGAN (NR) no, he didn't make any ref to astrology; that was me, likening my belief in the effects of sunspot activity and my belief in astrology. that is, i don't feel that either has a great deal of credence BUT i can't totally disregard the possibility that either or both ideas might be correct. uh, did i say that any better this time? seems that written communication is not the best thing i am at! 8*)..............roy -*- 85124 23-JAN 02:06 General Information RE: Global Warming (Re: Msg 85114) From: ROYBUR To: PAGAN (NR) looks like i replied to the astrology part as a reply to what i now see was an aborted message. haven't seen that word "phlogiston" for a long time; better be careful, it may not be politically correct! judging from the success meteorologists have in their forecasts, everything you said about the unpredictability of weather _must_ be true. seriously, though, i don't see as yet that the weather for the past year is anything that hasn't happened before...just not for a few years. it's the "not for a few years" that seems odd to me. 8*)............roy -*- 85128 23-JAN 11:51 General Information RE: Global Warming (Re: Msg 85121) From: JOEGERBER To: MITHELEN TO QUOTE MARK TWAIN, "EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT THE WEATHER, BUT NOONE DOES ANYTHING ABOUT IT." JOE G. -*- 85129 23-JAN 11:55 General Information RE: Global Warming (Re: Msg 85128) From: JOEGERBER To: JOEGERBER "NOONE?!?" OH WELL, I CAN'T SPELL EITHER! -*- End of Thread. -*- 85093 22-JAN 11:16 Programmers Den RE: C question (Re: Msg 85071) From: COLORSYSTEMS To: BANANAMAN > Hmm. Well, if putchar(), or putc() don't do writeln(), then I'm at a > loss as to why they would do any line editing. If they don't do > writeln(), don't they have to do write()? OK, I wasn't exactly right. What I was getting at was that no buffered IO call is guarenteed to generate ANY system IO call at the time it is called. The only time a system IO call is generated as a result of a buffered IO call is if the buffer is full or a newline char is in the output. As JJ says, since the standard output path is defined as an SCF device, any and all calls made by the system to flush a buffered IO cache will be done with a writeln() call, I conceed that point. ------------------------------------ Zack C Sessions ColorSystems "I am Homer of Borg, prepare to be assimi ... OOOOHHH, DOUGHNUTS!" -*- 85096 22-JAN 12:04 Programmers Den RE: C question (Re: Msg 85058) From: DAVGEORGE To: ZOGSTER The problem with the code segment is you are using both buffered and unbuffered I/O. You need to do a fflush(stdout), or setbuf(stdout, 0) before you start, or use all unbuffered I/O (ie. write(STDOUT, "hello", 5) - this is awkward so when I need to do this I use my_write(STDOUT, "hello") where my_write is the following: my_write(path, str) int path; char *str; { return(write(path, str, strlen(str))); } Of course this only works on zero terminated strings. Hope this helps. I am sure that others have also replied. David George -*- End of Thread. -*- 85094 22-JAN 11:34 Games & Graphics RE: Shanghai for Level 2 (Re: Msg 84962) From: TOMFANN To: REVWCP Isn't it amazing what these young kids can do? I am just beginning to learn my way around OS9, and I'm 42. I'll show you how times have changed... When I was in eighth grade, I got a book out of the library that showed how to build a computer. It used a telephone dial to enter the data. I added up the prices of all the tubes, capacitors, etc. in the Lafayette catalog I had, and it came to over $100! I didn't have $100 so it never got built. I paid $129 for my first computer, a CoCo 3, that had probably hundreds of times more power (and convenience!) than that home-made job would have!!! ..Tom Fann -*- 85102 22-JAN 15:59 Games & Graphics RE: Shanghai for Level 2 (Re: Msg 85094) From: COLORSYSTEMS To: TOMFANN (NR) > prices of all the tubes, capacitors, etc. in the Lafayette catalog I had, Ahh, the old "Lafayette catalog". We ARE showing our ages, now!! My annual copy got so dogearred from making wish list after wish list, each new year's copy was welcome!! ------------------------------------ Zack C Sessions ColorSystems "I am Homer of Borg, prepare to be assimi ... OOOOHHH, DOUGHNUTS!" -*- 85112 22-JAN 23:29 Games & Graphics RE: Shanghai for Level 2 (Re: Msg 85102) From: WA2EGP To: COLORSYSTEMS The salepeople in my local Lafayette used to run in the back when I came in the store. Eventhough in high school at the time, I knew the catalog better than they did. Before it went belly up, I used to play "not stock item"/"out of stock" with them. Used to buy out certain parts and they'd never restock. -*- End of Thread. -*- 85095 22-JAN 12:00 General Information RE: microware (Re: Msg 85089) From: TOMFANN To: RICHKOTTKE Yes, wasn't that great! Frank Hogg has quoted some of the article is some earlier messages. I also wonder if this new development will open up some employment opportunitiesfor those of you who have studied OS9 for so long. ..Tom Fann -*- 85103 22-JAN 17:12 General Information RE: microware (Re: Msg 85089) From: JEJONES To: RICHKOTTKE > Did anyone else see the article about Microware and the new information > superhighway in Tuesday's "Wall Street Journal"? Yes, I saw it. Good article (though it's CERN, not "the University of Cern," and OS-9, not OS/9 :-). > Pretty neat to see; even had a sketch of Ken Kaplan! Yup; they always turn photos into pen-and-ink drawings (which is why I was kind of shocked to see the article underneath with straight photos of celebrity food labels). James *** posted w/InfoXpress 1.1 *** -*- 85107 22-JAN 22:38 General Information RE: microware (Re: Msg 85103) From: DSRTFOX To: JEJONES I saw the article too, got a copy of it! Will be doing a write-up using that as a (accredited!) source... maybe even some quotes from it. -*- 85115 23-JAN 00:03 General Information RE: microware (Re: Msg 85095) From: PAGAN To: TOMFANN (NR) >I also wonder if this new development will open up some employment >opportunitiesfor those of you who have studied OS9 for so long. I surely hope so! When I read Dr. Dobbs or C Users Journal I'd get depressed if I wasn't medicated! Sometimes it seems all the work it took for me to understand OS9 is a waste. Maybe for some it came easy but I had to make a _lot_ of mistake to get here. I'm still making mistakes. Stephen (PAGAN) -*- End of Thread. -*- 85097 22-JAN 13:04 General Information Cron From: TEDJAEGER To: ALL Where can a cron to run infoXpress be found? I scanned the osk applications library and didnt see it. Doesnt seem to be one of the MM1 delivery disks. Bests ---TedJaeger -*- 85101 22-JAN 15:59 General Information RE: Cron (Re: Msg 85097) From: COLORSYSTEMS To: TEDJAEGER (NR) > Where can a cron to run infoXpress be found? I scanned the osk > applications library and didnt see it. Doesnt seem to be one of the MM1 > delivery disks. Ted, IMS distributed Mike Haaland's port of cron to OSK on the first (and only) Upgrade Disk. It was buried in an ar archive in the BOOTMODS/WIN directory called win..c..cron.ar, it has Edition 38 of Windio, the current version (at the time) of Mike's cgfx.l (with doc files) along with cron. ------------------------------------ Zack C Sessions ColorSystems "I am Homer of Borg, prepare to be assimi ... OOOOHHH, DOUGHNUTS!" -*- End of Thread. -*- 85104 22-JAN 21:08 OSK Applications RE: Makpal_fix (Re: Msg 85077) From: VAXELF To: LARRYOLSON AHHH, but it takes something call MONEY. At somewhere around $170/4MEG, well it will take a while. I also want to go the MM/1A route, but again that old problem pops up again. John D. -*- 85120 23-JAN 01:15 OSK Applications RE: Makpal_fix (Re: Msg 85104) From: MITHELEN To: VAXELF Ya.. tyoo bad the MM/1 didn't alloow use of 4- 1meg Sims... I just got Carl Boll a greeat deal on 4- 1Megx9x70 Sims for 90$... If my MM/1 could have used them, I could have a 5 meg MM/1 real cheep... -*- 85126 23-JAN 04:15 OSK Applications RE: Makpal_fix (Re: Msg 85060) From: JOELHEGBERG To: LARRYOLSON (NR) Larry, > While I have you here, do you know if anyone has written up a tutorial > on how to add sound to a 'C' program. I have another program that I have > pretty much finished but it would really add to the program if I could > add some sound effects. It's actually pretty easy to add sound effects to a C program, provided you have the effect made and know it's sample rate. You can use the _ss_play() feature. In fact, the article for the latest issue of 68'Micros shows how you can store a digital sound sample in memory and use the _ss_play() function to play it, all in C. -- Joel Mathew Hegberg. Delphi : JOELHEGBERG GEnie : j.hegberg Internet : JoelHegberg@delphi.com -*- End of Thread. -*- 85105 22-JAN 21:35 General Information RE: spreadsheet formulae (Re: Msg 85083) From: COCOKIWI To: ROYBUR I,LL check with the Wife on this she knows it well I,m not,and do not know 123 as yet! Dennis -*- 85125 23-JAN 02:08 General Information RE: spreadsheet formulae (Re: Msg 85105) From: ROYBUR To: COCOKIWI (NR) thanks dennis! you'll both have my eternal gratitude. 'course, that don't put money in yer pocket................roy -*- End of Thread. -*- 85106 22-JAN 22:28 OSK Applications RE: CD-ROM for OSK (Re: Msg 85056) From: DSRTFOX To: WA2EGP The incompatible media message probably came from the driver you are using, not the device itself. -*- 85110 22-JAN 23:16 OSK Applications RE: CD-ROM for OSK (Re: Msg 85106) From: WA2EGP To: DSRTFOX (NR) Well, of course. I guess there are different drivers out there. Guess I'll have to do a little "messing around" -*- End of Thread. -*- 85108 22-JAN 22:50 General Information System IV & V users? From: DSRTFOX To: ALL I'd like someone currently using a Delmar System IV and someone using a System V to write up some comments or a review. Either the person can write the review, or just make some notes and comments and I'll put then together into a review. Just what you got, how easy/hard it was to get set up and running, any problems encountered, and then your general impression of the system, including what you'd like to see changed. Contact me in mail if you might be interested. Will be published later this year in "68' micros" -*- 85109 22-JAN 22:59 General Information 68' micros From: DSRTFOX To: ALL The last issue (01FEB94) of "the world of 68' micros" was mailed out third class Thursday afternoon (20 Jan). So the entire load would arrive in Atlanta and be sorted on the 21st. If you subscribe, please drop me a line in E-mail with the date yours came in. They should be in-home byt the 8th of February, which is the target date. I would normally have waited until 26/27 FEB to send them if mailing 1st class, but got them out a week early to make up for the time difference, and will continue to do so. I just need to know if I allowed enough lead time, so I can change for the next issue (if necessary). Mailing third class means that the magazine is actually showing a profit now... not enough to really pay something, but enough to make it worth putting out as a "second job". I had more printed this time than any other (nearly 300!) and EVERY ONE (well, all but three) were sent out! So far, so good! Subscribers make the difference, and the letters and words of encouragement here make the effort more valuable than any monetary return alone could bring! -*- 85117 23-JAN 00:06 OSK Applications G Windows Beta Tester From: PAGAN To: ALL I need a few G-Windows users who can help me by beta testing a new file finder utility. If you're interested please reply in E-Mail. Include which version of OSK you're using and the edition number on your cio, math and wfm modules. Stephen (PAGAN) -*- 85118 23-JAN 00:53 General Information os-9 L2 From: RGT To: ILLUSIONIST (NR) You said that you got os-9 level 2 for 10$. About a year ago I got a new os-9 level two for $1.00! apon leaving the saleperson asked why I needed suck a thing. -*- 85119 23-JAN 01:01 Music & Sound From: RGT To: ALL To all, I was just a wonderin if there were any kind of screen saver t you'd view and also here some kind of music to go with it. For osk68000. -*- 85127 23-JAN 04:16 OSK Applications RE: OPutBlk () (Re: Msg 85088) From: JOELHEGBERG To: MREGC (NR) Eric, > > Not true--remember that for the most part, those routines are just > layers > around the features windio provides... > > I still tend to think that function written WELL in assembly, (assuming > Kevin's code is well written,) will outperfrom, if not vastly outperform a > a similar well written function in C. You are probably right, but the cgfx.l library was written in C, so it really won't be optimized either. Also, to write your own routine, all you'd need to do is send out the appropriate display codes to the screen, and there's not a whole lot of optimization you can do with that as it's just a write() function. You just have to write the correct sequence of bytes to the window to get the OPutBlk function to work, so you may wanna give that some thought. -- Joel Mathew Hegberg. Delphi : JOELHEGBERG GEnie : j.hegberg Internet : JoelHegberg@delphi.com -*- 85130 23-JAN 15:11 General Information Rupert Murdoch From: LUCKYONE To: ALL I read in the January issue of _Wired_ that Rupert Murdoch has pruchased Delphi. He's the guy that owns the Fox Network, TV Guide, and a bunch of other stuff. This can put Delphi up there with the big boys. Howard Luckey delphi LUCKYONE CIS 74746,3207 ********** By InfoXpress 1.01 of course! ********** -*- FORUM>Reply, Add, Read, "?" or Exit>