#: 15619 S7/Telecommunications 20-Jun-92 11:46:16 Sb: #15610-#WIZ Help Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: BOB LEET 72020,2536 (X) Bob - Did you scan all the Wiz modules for /d0? Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 15632 S7/Telecommunications 22-Jun-92 00:48:29 Sb: #15619-#WIZ Help Fm: BOB LEET 72020,2536 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Not yet, Pete. Do you think that would matter though? It doesn't even attempt to read from the /d0 when I run it from the H/D? It just reads from the H/D then quits and gives me the error. There are 2 Replies. #: 15636 S7/Telecommunications 22-Jun-92 11:59:31 Sb: #15632-#WIZ Help Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: BOB LEET 72020,2536 (X) Bob - All we know for sure is: a) It's looking for something that it can't find (for whatever reason) b) You changed from /d0 to /h0 (and shifted /DD) c) It does a disk access before the error I suggest that the following are the most likely causes of the problem: a) A file or directory that's required is missing from the hard disk b) An explicit reference to another drive remains c) You have different startup files that load different things on the floppy or hard disk. d) You have different versions of code on the hard disk than on the floppy. Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 15640 S7/Telecommunications 22-Jun-92 19:23:57 Sb: #15636-#WIZ Help Fm: BOB LEET 72020,2536 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete, This is what I found last night. I used dEd to search for any d0's, and had no luck. Then I decided to do a verify, Bingo!! After that, it worked fine, except the address for the 4in1 serial is different then what is actually in the special /t2 it uses, but that is just a matter of changing it (I went from a Slotpak & RS232 to an SCII recently). When I did a cmp of the one on the H/D and the one I made the copy of from the floppy, there were about 17 bit chanes???? I didn't do it. Unless dEd changed all of these during the verify, I don't know what the heck happened. Thanks for your time, and the little boost in effort that kept pushing to find the problem. Bob////// There is 1 Reply. #: 15644 S7/Telecommunications 23-Jun-92 09:14:45 Sb: #15640-WIZ Help Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: BOB LEET 72020,2536 (X) Bob - Sorry I didn't think of CRC's... I had patched my kernel to omit the CRC check, which made it much faster on a HD based system. This seemed rational, as a corrupt module would either have shown up with a disk read error, or a not ready. Also, most corrupt modules (at least in those days) were the result of xmodem padding, which was implicitly stripped at module load time. Good fix... Pete #: 15638 S7/Telecommunications 22-Jun-92 17:16:40 Sb: #15632-#WIZ Help Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 To: BOB LEET 72020,2536 (X) Another thing you might check is the attributes of the WIZ files and modules that you transfered to the hard drive. You might be getting hit with a NO PERMISSION error when WIZ tries to open a file. Larry There is 1 Reply. #: 15641 S7/Telecommunications 22-Jun-92 19:26:02 Sb: #15638-#WIZ Help Fm: BOB LEET 72020,2536 To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 (X) Thanks Larry. I fixed it though. If you are interested, see the letter I sent to Pete Lyall on what happened when I fixed it. Pretty strange. There is 1 Reply. #: 15798 S7/Telecommunications 06-Jul-92 23:33:38 Sb: #15641-#WIZ Help Fm: Bob Palmer 74646,2156 To: BOB LEET 72020,2536 (X) I'm just getting back to read the mail and am glad to see that you have succeeded in getting your WIZ to fly. I used it (the wizpro variant) as my telecom program of choice on the COCO for several years and was always happy with the results. Lately I have had to switch to STERM on my TC70 (and tonight am using TELIX on a PC because the TC70 is under the weather so to speak) but would be very happy if there were a WIZPRO for the TC70. Come to think that should be relatively easy to port given that wizpro is mostly basic09 but the sources would be required.. Runtime is not going to work until a few addresses have changed and also the screen work. Interestin project for someone, Bill Brady has not been about for a while but I do beliwve he had been looking at a TOMCAT 6809 machineand would bet he will be thinking. Back to your problem - when you patched your original wizpro to take into account the new addresses - did you verify the modules? They could have been lurking about - but I don't know how you were loading them from floppy if that is the case. Hmm - all's well that ends well . Bob There is 1 Reply. #: 15836 S7/Telecommunications 09-Jul-92 02:30:40 Sb: #15798-WIZ Help Fm: BOB LEET 72020,2536 To: Bob Palmer 74646,2156 (X) Bob P., To tell you the exact story, I never made any changes to anything in the program. All I did, once I put my HD on the COCO, was to simply copy it to the HD, and the weird results occurred????? Doo doo dee doo, doo doo dee doo (Twilight Zone). See ya, Bob////// #: 15627 S7/Telecommunications 21-Jun-92 13:56:28 Sb: #15610-#WIZ Help Fm: Bob Palmer 74646,2156 To: BOB LEET 72020,2536 (X) Did you by any chance have something merged with RUNB before and not now? Has you bootfile size increased so that now there is not enough room in 64k to get runb and all of the WIZ files? That's usually the reason for process not found. If it was not on disk I would have expected a file not found or maybe wrong attributes. There is 1 Reply. #: 15634 S7/Telecommunications 22-Jun-92 00:54:04 Sb: #15627-WIZ Help Fm: BOB LEET 72020,2536 To: Bob Palmer 74646,2156 (X) I did not have anything merged to RunB before, since all except it are merged into the program itself. Yes, I have since changed my bootfile to include a few more modules for the H/D. But, I did remake the old floppy Boot to contain these new modules. When I run the old/new floppy Boot, it runs fine when dd is d0. It seems like it just refuses to run off the H/D. #: 15631 S7/Telecommunications 22-Jun-92 00:45:59 Sb: #15611-WIZ Help Fm: BOB LEET 72020,2536 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) This is the original WIZ, which just has the directory COM that holds the autodial files. It is on the H/D. Also, the program has all that it needs except RunB, merged in it already. Even still, I have merged all the pertinant B09 files into a Runb.1, and load it prior to running the program. #: 15620 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 20-Jun-92 22:08:23 Sb: #15615-#Vprint Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X) Scott, Glad to hear that Vprint is working. Yup, ya found a bug...I create some strings to do the searching for the init file. Unfortunately, by the it gets down to looking in /h0 my code used strcpy() instead of sprintf()! Well, that's fixed. So fire your disk in the mail to me and I'll be glad to update it. In the meantime, you can do one of three things: 1. Set the shell variable VPTDIR to /h0/sys, 2. Set the shell variable HOME to /h0, 3. Load a /dd descriptor which matches /h0. Sorry about the phone call. That does sound expensive. Hmmm, that was during prime time, wasn't it? Maybe it's time to check out rates with ATT, etc.... Up to now, we've not had any competition on longdistance phone rates in Canada. The govt. just changed it's rules and a couple of outfits have been given premission to interconnect and set up shop. It'll be interesting to see what happens here with rates--they are much higher than what you are used to paying. There is 1 Reply. #: 15622 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 21-Jun-92 00:04:54 Sb: #15620-#Vprint Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) Yes, the VPTDIR shell variable sounds good to me. I called MCI and AT&T and both have about the same rates, but I do not know about the prime time vs. late night rates. There was a consultant here at work working on software development on our embedded system (STARIV) from Canada and his rates in Halifax was much higher than here too. Also when calling your number it seems that your area (central office) still has analogue switching. thanks scott howell. /exit There is 1 Reply. #: 15649 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 24-Jun-92 02:10:10 Sb: #15622-#Vprint Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X) Scott, Even if the VPTDIR stuff works, do send the disk back anyway--there are some other buglettes in the version you have. Hey, how can you tell what kind of switchboard we have here? You are right--it's an old mechanical thing (even though I'm convinced that at times they still bring in an old gal who does the connects via phone-plugs). Until they get a new switch here, I'm unable to tap into nicities like call waiting, etc. Maybe just as well...my bill is high enuf. But the mechanical relays cause lots of noice too, at times. It's been on the telephone company's list for years now. I wonder if the coming deregulation in Canada will hinder or help these projects? There is 1 Reply. #: 15656 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 24-Jun-92 09:09:39 Sb: #15649-Vprint Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) the mechanical relays on the rings have a stronger attack than the digital ones. I know then ATT was broken up into regional bell systems in 1983, many of the mechanical central offices in Georgia was converted. I will send the disk soon! thanks #: 15621 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 20-Jun-92 22:08:33 Sb: #15618-AIFs Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Oh, is that what they mean by .xxx. Never occurred to me that .xxx meant three characters.... Darn, sometimes I wonder why I even turn the computer on, let alone doing work on it! #: 15623 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 21-Jun-92 12:03:46 Sb: #15560-#MM/1 RBF Bug Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) Bob; Booting from /d0 and finishing from /dd (HD), accessing an empty /d1 does NOT cause any errors on my system. RBF Ed.#79 and descriptors are all Ed.#11. ...Jim There is 1 Reply. #: 15650 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 24-Jun-92 02:10:19 Sb: #15623-#MM/1 RBF Bug Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X) This makes no sense. You're the 2nd person who reports no errors. So far, I'm the only one reporting errors. Funny thing is that I got the errors when I still had my single board proto system--so I'm wondering if there is something with my hardware causing the problem? I've got a 3.5" Hitachi and a 5" CDC. No terminator resistor--I tryed installing one and found that the system would not access the 3" drive when I added one. Also, if I take the 5" out of the system, I still get the error if I try just accessing the non-existant drive, so I sort-of doubt that it is hardware. Anyone? There are 2 Replies. #: 15653 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 24-Jun-92 08:21:14 Sb: #15650-#MM/1 RBF Bug Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) Bob, I have never heard of a problem like what you mentioned. Perhaps you should post CRCs for the modules in question (RBF, 33C93, d0, d1, etc) and see if that is the cause. Other than that, I'd say you have a hardware problem. Mark There is 1 Reply. #: 15704 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 29-Jun-92 20:55:00 Sb: #15653-#MM/1 RBF Bug Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X) Mark, Well, it (the crashing of floppies) is definitely a bug here on my system. If it is a hardware bug, where do you suggest I look. Remember, this same bug was present on my proto (single board) system. At the time I just figured it was the software... At this point the only things the same are the 3.5" floppy (and the case). Here are the current drivers I'm using: d0 #14 crc - 998410 d1 #14 crc - BA83F3 rb37c65 #4 crc - 1768E9 rbf #79 crc - F098AF For hardware, I have 3.5" floppy and a 5" 80 track. I've disconnected the 80 and still get the same results. Just to refresh the debate, here is how to get the bug: 1. boot normally (I do it from the 3.5" and the process continues on /h0), 2. attempt to access /d1 with the drive door open (dir /d1 "works" fine), 3. after an error is generated, attempt to access /d0 (again, do something like dir /d0)--at this point I get an error! With no disk in d1 the light on d0 flashes after 5 seconds, then the error is reported after another 5 secs. If I remove the drive completely, the error is reported right after the flash. However, if you do an access to /d0 before all this (again, dir /d0 works) everything appears to work okay. BTW, I don't have a terminator on /d1. I put one on to test things, but then the 3.5 became unaccessable, even for the boot process. There are 2 Replies. #: 15713 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 30-Jun-92 09:48:32 Sb: #15704-#MM/1 RBF Bug Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) Bob, Well, you had this bug in your prototype system, then I would think it might be the cable or the dirve itself. I have not been able to reproduce this on my system, nor have I heard of anyone else having this problem. The terminating resistor may or may not be a problem. Some drives need to have them and some don't. When you mix drives, you run into the problem of either both drives need them, neither do, or one or the other do before you get reliable results. The only other answer might be you are running a different version of RBF or the floppy drivers. Check that all out (with the CRC) and see what they are. Mark There is 1 Reply. #: 15731 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 01-Jul-92 20:46:51 Sb: #15713-#MM/1 RBF Bug Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X) Well, Mark, I did post the CRC's in my last message. I assume that they are the latest. I did detatch the 5" drive completely, and still got the error. So I guess that leaves the cable or the 3" drive. Sounds pretty unlikely to me that either one could be causeing this weird problem. However, I will try a new cable one of these days. Will the mm/1 boot from a 5" drive? Just a matter of making a boot disk? If it's that easy I could pull the 3" drive and see if that's causing the problem. There is 1 Reply. #: 15747 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 02-Jul-92 09:09:28 Sb: #15731-#MM/1 RBF Bug Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) Bob, If you did post CRCs then I didn't see them. Maybe you can post them again, or the Sysops here can go back and find that message and point me to it (hint hint Steve). It is very possible that the cable can be causing your problem, or the 3.5 inch drive. If you have any other drives to try, then you should do that and see what happens. As for booting from a 5.25 inch drive, OS-9/OSK doesn't care what the drive type or size is. All it looks for is the LSN0 data which points it to the sector where the bootfile is. Then it just issues a seek command to get to that sector and it starts to read. Of course, OSK Ver 2.4 can now bring in a bootfile that is fragmented, but older versions and OS-9 can't. The long and the short of it is--if you can make a bootfile on the disk, it can be booted from that disk. I always make my boot disks on an Atari formatted disk cause I don't like to use up a HD disk just to hold the bootfile. I have also been able to boot from a Universal format and a CoCo format disk. Mark There is 1 Reply. #: 15749 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 02-Jul-92 10:28:36 Sb: #15747-#MM/1 RBF Bug Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X) Mark, I checked Bob's CRC's against mine .... he's up to the current revisions. Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 15759 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 03-Jul-92 06:55:55 Sb: #15749-MM/1 RBF Bug Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Thanks Steve. #: 15771 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 03-Jul-92 22:15:10 Sb: #15704-#MM/1 RBF Bug Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) I'm coming in late, but what the hey. The crc's for rbf and rb37c65 are good, the ones for d0 and d1 probably don't matter. Booting from a 5.25" is not a problem. The roms don't really care. This is *seriously* wierd. I wish I had an answer. Carl There is 1 Reply. #: 15849 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 09-Jul-92 20:21:44 Sb: #15771-#MM/1 RBF Bug Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: Carl Kreider 71076,76 (X) Carl, I was speaking to Zack Sessions last night, and he has similar problems with his mm/1 when he tries to read a coco disk in a HD drive, or something. He wrote a short program which does a _ss_rset() to the device and this seems to clear things up. Don't know if related. I sent him some of this thread and he will post it on the other net and has promised to let you know what's up. Gotta be a bug ! There is 1 Reply. #: 15851 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 09-Jul-92 22:42:06 Sb: #15849-MM/1 RBF Bug Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) Hey, I will buy into the possibility of a bug ;). I just need a way to duplicate the problem so I can find it. #: 15787 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 05-Jul-92 13:36:20 Sb: #15650-MM/1 RBF Bug Fm: Eric Crichlow 71051,3516 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) Bob, I haven't been online for awhile (don't get on but once a week) so I don't know if you've solved this problem yet, but I just thought I'd let you know that you're not alone. I believe I've seen the same problem that you're describing on my system, only I THINK it only ocurred here after using the reset button to reboot the system. Then /d1 was totally unfunctional. As I remember, rebooting by turning the system off for a few seconds then back on always solved the problem. I hadn't seen the problem in quite awhile, but strangely enough it happened just before I was getting ready to write this reply! Go figure. If you figure anything out about this let me know. ..Eric... #: 15624 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 21-Jun-92 12:09:31 Sb: #Windows edition? Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 To: Kevin Darling Kev; I've seen references to the window driver edition #42. The one in the upgrade disk is #38. Is there another, later edition posted somewhere? Also, any docs available? thanks, ...JIm There is 1 Reply. #: 15625 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 21-Jun-92 13:05:48 Sb: #15624-Windows edition? Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X) Hi Jim - printed docs are still in the works; a bare reference should've been on the upgrade disk (?). Some people at the fest snarfed v41. V42 will be uploaded here pretty soon with minor fixes/features derived from v41 feedback. Then the cycle will start again :-) thanks - kevin #: 15626 S1/General Interest 21-Jun-92 13:48:07 Sb: #15596-#Drive help Fm: Bob Palmer 74646,2156 To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X) You will probably find what looks like a DIP socket with a "chip" containing 8 links in it. the links for 1 2 & 3 need to be severed and 0 made for this to be a drive 0. If I remember rightly the board will have lables beside the plug. Somewhere around here I have the appropriate book for Tandon drives so if this is not enough (and if you can be patient enough for my next log on) I'll dig it out. By the way - no need to buy a new link chip if the pin 0 is cut - just turn it around end for end. I don't think number 8 is of any consequence to the Tandon. - this is a single or double sided disk? Bob There is 1 Reply. #: 15647 S1/General Interest 23-Jun-92 20:19:19 Sb: #15626-Drive help Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 To: Bob Palmer 74646,2156 (X) Thanks for the reply Bob. I ended up ordering a real drive. The system gave me a scare when it didn't work with the new drive. It did work eventually, so maybe I have a bad cable. Now that my HD is up and running again, I don't worry too much about the floppies. Hugo #: 15628 S14/misc/info/Soapbox 21-Jun-92 14:01:18 Sb: #15613-I Give Up Fm: Bob Palmer 74646,2156 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 Mike - did I hear you say that the new Ultimuse will run on the TC70 already? or is that soon? HmW@has it gone about getting a midi port? This from a TC70 owner who is an occasional user of Ultimuse and a Yamaha PSS480. Very slick program on the coco should be even slicker on the faster hardware. Bob #: 15629 S1/General Interest 21-Jun-92 17:13:26 Sb: #15588-HAM LICENSE Fm: DOUG 72667,1433 To: Wayne Day 76703,376 (X) Congratulations also, Keith.. Have been licensed for 27 years... welcome to the fun. Hope to see you on packet or some of the other digital modes. Doug WA4UNS #: 15630 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 21-Jun-92 21:26:28 Sb: #15593-MM/1 Mouse Fm: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Hi Steve... True. Hmmm... #: 15633 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 22-Jun-92 00:52:33 Sb: #PCDOS Fm: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 To: All Exists there a patch for the Disto no halt driver to allow it to work with PCDOS? I am tired of having to keep switching to SDISK (and, in the process, each time I want to transfer a file. There is 1 Reply. #: 15643 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 22-Jun-92 21:27:03 Sb: #15633-#PCDOS Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 (X) The Disto driver is very different from the patch you've used on the usual driver. I have never seen a patch such as you described. On my system I tried using the Disto driver as though it were patched and it worked fine, not only for PCDos but also RSDos. Try using the Disto driver as it is on disks with no critical data on them and see if it works reliably on your system too. Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) There are 2 Replies. #: 15662 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 24-Jun-92 22:49:23 Sb: #15643-#PCDOS Fm: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Erich, I had already tried using the Disto no-halt driver as-is with PCDOS, but tried it again just to be sure, with the same result. Any attempt to access a DOS diskette with PCDOS simply results in the message "Not a DOS diskette". Switching to SDISK corrects the problem, but leaves me without buffered I/O on the drives. Odd that yours should work OK and mine not, though. Ian There are 3 Replies. #: 15663 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 25-Jun-92 01:00:24 Sb: #15662-#PCDOS Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 (X) Try one more time using the Disto driver, but this time use a 360K DOS disk with no more than 1-2 files totaling no more than 100K in size. Regardless of driver I have had a great deal of difficulty using PCDos with DOS disks exceeding these numbers. For a 720K disk, the limit seems to be 1 file no larger than 100K. I asked about this problem in this Forum last year and no one came up with an answer, and I haven't figured it out either. Also be sure you have at least 32K free memory before you load PCDos (even more is better). I've had problems with it when less memory was free. There is 1 Reply. #: 15780 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 04-Jul-92 07:59:39 Sb: #15663-PCDOS Fm: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) I have used PCDOS with 720K disks and it was full and I had no problems. I am using Sdisk3 made for the DMC controller. I have not tried it with the patched cc3disk (for normal controllers) Mike #: 15721 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 01-Jul-92 16:30:49 Sb: #15662-#PCDOS Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 (X) I've heard of others using the no-halt drivers (Disto's, that is) with PCDOS. I use Sardis No-Halt controllers with SDISK3, so I don't encounter the problems that you're facing. However, there are folks in my CoCo Group here that have used PCDOS successfully with the DISTO No-halt drivers. Lee There is 1 Reply. #: 15739 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 02-Jul-92 00:36:11 Sb: #15721-#PCDOS Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X) I use PCDOS with the Disot SC-2 with out any problems. Just remember, if it is a file other than an ASCII file, use PCDOS-raw -get or utils suck as UNZIP will not work. I came in late so perhaps this thread has already addressed thjis, but any problems that I ever encountered with PCDOS was due to my failure to use the -raw command. --Br. Jeremy, CSJW There are 2 Replies. #: 15740 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 02-Jul-92 00:36:58 Sb: #15739-PCDOS Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X) Sorry for the misprint, of course that should be DISTO SC-2. --Jeremy. #: 15743 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 02-Jul-92 08:53:00 Sb: #15739-PCDOS Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X) Hi! Bro! I think maybe you replied to the wrong person. I wasn't having problems with Disto SC-2 (since I don't own one). There were some other folks that I was responding to that were however having problems trying to get the SC-2 drivers to work with PCDOS. It could be something as simple as trying to access a double sided diskette on a single-sided drive. Who knows. My response was simple to add a comment that I knew of some folks in our club that use DISTO SC-2 successfully with PCDOS. Lee #: 15797 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 06-Jul-92 15:15:09 Sb: #15662-PCDOS Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 (X) There's a guy down here in Dallas, that has had to resort to basically the same thing. That is, if he wants to use his system to read PC-created diskette, then he reboots with a patched CC3Disk, but in this mode his No-Halt feature is not in use. When he boots with his Disto-supplied drivers, he has the No-Halt features, but he can't read PC-DOS diskettes. I'm still waiting to hear from one other guy down here to see what his solutioin is, but right now it don't look too good. Lee #: 15677 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 25-Jun-92 21:47:25 Sb: #15643-#PCDOS Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Which Disto driver works with PCdos ? .irq or .slp ? Neither of them work for me. I also have a separate disk I boot with when I want to use PCdos. I've since given up on PCdos and just connected my COCO serially to my AST286. The COCO sends files fine at 19.2 kbaud and receives them reliably at 4800 baud. Paul Rinear KB2JWM There is 1 Reply. #: 15679 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 25-Jun-92 22:40:21 Sb: #15677-PCDOS Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X) Right - none of the Disto SC-II drivers work with PCDOS... you have to make a separate boot disk with the modified RS driver. #: 15635 S15/Hot Topics 22-Jun-92 00:59:57 Sb: #6309 & /t2 Fm: BOB LEET 72020,2536 To: all Have you heard of any others having trouble with the 6309 locking up the /t2? Me and another member of the Phoenix Coco Club are experiencing this problem since we installed the 6309. It is not the booster program, as I have run terms w/ & w/o the patches, all of which have the effect, crapping out! There is 1 Reply. #: 15637 S15/Hot Topics 22-Jun-92 12:01:21 Sb: #15635-#6309 & /t2 Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: BOB LEET 72020,2536 (X) Bob - What speed are you running at? 3Mhz? IS the 6551 rated to provide service at that rate, if so? Pete There are 2 Replies. #: 15642 S15/Hot Topics 22-Jun-92 19:31:14 Sb: #15637-#6309 & /t2 Fm: BOB LEET 72020,2536 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete, The only thing is, it usually runs fine for a while, then just locks up for no apparent reason. I does it quite frequently during d/ling, which present quite a problem. I have only found it locking up once on a menu screen of a BBS. I was under the understanding that the 6309 only effected the modules that were patched, and there abilities to use the extra register W. I do not think the processor is actually faster. Bob////// There is 1 Reply. #: 15645 S15/Hot Topics 23-Jun-92 09:20:02 Sb: #15642-#6309 & /t2 Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: BOB LEET 72020,2536 (X) Bob - Locking up after a period is an indication of overheating (or mismatched speed rating). I used to have some EPROMS that acted like that... fine for 20 minutes or so, then wham. I'm not sure what the 4in1 uses for serial port chips (Steve Wegert may), but you may want to verify that their 6551's are rated for proper speed a coco3/1.87MHZ clocking. Also, are you using an IRQ hack line for your interrupts? If not, this may buy you some solidity... see IRQHAK.TXT in DL(1?)... Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 15646 S15/Hot Topics 23-Jun-92 19:11:06 Sb: #15645-#6309 & /t2 Fm: BOB LEET 72020,2536 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete- I have since removed the Slotpak, and just have the SCII directly plugged into the computer. That is, since I got the SCII & 4-in-1. So, I don't have a hacked IRQ. I found the computer locked up today in about 10 minutes, while using Supercomm. The other day I was d/ling a 560k program, and got about 360K before it crapped out. So, I think the heat problem is out. I believe the 4in1 uses the 6551a chips. Do you think this still may be the problem? Bob////// There are 2 Replies. #: 15648 S15/Hot Topics 23-Jun-92 21:13:17 Sb: #15646-#6309 & /t2 Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: BOB LEET 72020,2536 (X) Install the IRQ hack. On the side, how do you arrive at "the heat problem is out"? Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 15776 S15/Hot Topics 04-Jul-92 02:31:24 Sb: #15648-#6309 & /t2 Fm: BOB LEET 72020,2536 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete, I am trying to rule out the heat problem, since the WIZ is doing just fine now. It has its own descriptor M2W, and isn't locking up now. Also, I have had the computer on for about 10 minutes and then the t2 will lock up, then I have had it on for 50 minutes and the t2 locks up. Wouldn't the t2 lock-up about the same time every time?? If overheatingwere the problem. -Bob////// There is 1 Reply. #: 15782 S15/Hot Topics 04-Jul-92 11:07:26 Sb: #15776-#6309 & /t2 Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: BOB LEET 72020,2536 (X) Not necessarily.... is the room ambient temerature always the same? Are you always running the same code in similar sequence? Suggestions: o - Install IRQ hack o - Throw heat sinks on UART chips o - Put a fan in the area (better yet, put a muffin fan on the box) o - Take the system apart and reseat/clean everything Also, is there any special reason you're using WiZ? I recall in the early days that folks had nothing but trouble with it, and it was VERY hardware specific (i.e. hardwired code). It required several iterations to get it working properly. Perhaps something vanilla such as Xcom9 or Sterm is a better choice until you get the problem resolved. Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 15795 S15/Hot Topics 06-Jul-92 02:31:04 Sb: #15782-#6309 & /t2 Fm: BOB LEET 72020,2536 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete, I am using WIZ because it is reltively simple, and I have not had any problems since I set it up a year ago.(barring my recent errors) I am going to try the SACIA before I try to cool or clean. My COCO can't be that dirty anyhow, I have had a cover on it the past 3 years and take it apart often. Thanks, Bob////// There is 1 Reply. #: 15796 S15/Hot Topics 06-Jul-92 08:51:26 Sb: #15795-#6309 & /t2 Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: BOB LEET 72020,2536 (X) Bob - It's not DIRT that's the concern... it's OXIDATION. Radio Shack, in their dubious wisdom, used cheap (tin?) contacts on all of their 'pak' products, and just air and moisture are enough to cause problems. Pete There are 2 Replies. #: 15811 S15/Hot Topics 08-Jul-92 00:39:37 Sb: #15796-#6309 & /t2 Fm: randy pischke 75460,205 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete- I received my 6309 in the mail today and installed it. When I tried to download from CIS at 2400 my /t2 locked up. My coco is always covered when not in use so is spotless inside. I have had a muffin fan in my coco for about 6 months now so cooling isn't a problem. I feel the problem is software related. Specifically to the Powerboost software. The com program I am using is Sterm, so your recommendation to Bob to use it won't help. Another problem I have encountered after upgrading (not sure if that is a good term at present) is that when I use Mmulti-vue I get vertical "ghost" lines appearing on the top half of the screen. The lines are linked to the mouse pointer. As the pointer moves up the lines move up and vise-versa. My coco worked perfectly before the socalled upgrade. Any other ideas!! :-( There are 3 Replies. #: 15813 S15/Hot Topics 08-Jul-92 02:49:11 Sb: #15811-#6309 & /t2 Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: randy pischke 75460,205 (X) Randy - perhaps something got flexed during installation of the 6309. Have you tried the usual tapping or cleaning of the GIME? Did you reinstall the bottom circuit board shield (and make sure there were no metal shavings)? Did you install a socket (I hope!)? If so, do you have a 6809 you could stick in to see if it still works okay that way? kev There is 1 Reply. #: 15823 S15/Hot Topics 08-Jul-92 19:05:18 Sb: #15813-6309 & /t2 Fm: randy pischke 75460,205 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Kevin- There weren't any shavings from the transplant. Yes, the shield plane is installed. I did socket the CPU for ease of replacement in the future. I will try 2400 baud again just to ensure that it wasn't caused by a bad phone line. If all else fails I just may have to go back to the 6809. Thanks Randy. #: 15817 S15/Hot Topics 08-Jul-92 08:56:50 Sb: #15811-#6309 & /t2 Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: randy pischke 75460,205 (X) Yeah - go back to the 68B09! On the T2 issue.... are you running the IRQ hack? That really does make a big difference. The ghosting... hmmm. I'm not familiar with powerboost, but I do remember that the 6309 could be clocked at 3Mhz... Has the effective rate been bumped up? Are they doing the old 'manual video refresh'? Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 15824 S15/Hot Topics 08-Jul-92 19:09:25 Sb: #15817-#6309 & /t2 Fm: randy pischke 75460,205 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete- I have no idea what the IRQ hack consists of. Could you enlighten me. I also don't know any details for the Powerboost software either. Strangely, today I don't have the faint 'ghosting' vertical lines. It is really weird. I'll try 2400 baud communications again and see if it still hangsup. -Randy There is 1 Reply. #: 15827 S15/Hot Topics 08-Jul-92 21:22:29 Sb: #15824-#6309 & /t2 Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: randy pischke 75460,205 (X) Randy - See IRQHAK.TXT in DL2... It physically connects the 6551's IRQ line to the 6?09's IRQ line, which avoids some of the pass through problems associated with the hardware in the middle. Pete There are 2 Replies. #: 15828 S15/Hot Topics 08-Jul-92 21:24:52 Sb: #15827-6309 & /t2 Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Whoops ... make that DL10. Pete #: 15853 S15/Hot Topics 10-Jul-92 01:06:04 Sb: #15827-6309 & /t2 Fm: randy pischke 75460,205 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete- I have installed Carl Bennett's internal RS-232 port from May 1989 Rainbow.The port is completely hard wired so no MPI problems. I put my 6809 back in and the vertical 'ghost' lines went away. They only appeared on white backgrounds in hi res mode. This indicates a defective 6309 to me. It might have caused the t2 lockup if it has that kind of effect on my display. (Make any sense to you?) I appreciate the help. Will give Burke & Burke a call tomorrow. Randy. #: 15842 S15/Hot Topics 09-Jul-92 09:11:49 Sb: #15811-#6309 & /t2 Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: randy pischke 75460,205 (X) Randy, Your problem is probably due to the powerboost code and your serial port drives not being too happy with each other. I believe a few people over on the lesser service (starts with a "D" - grin) were having similar problems. Don't know what the wanswer was, if there was one. Hmmmm, I think something was said about using Bruce Isted's SACIA driver. In any case, it is not Sterm that is causing the problem. Opps...that should be "serial port drivers" above. Sorry. Mark There is 1 Reply. #: 15855 S15/Hot Topics 10-Jul-92 01:21:13 Sb: #15842-#6309 & /t2 Fm: randy pischke 75460,205 To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X) Mark- I am using a stock /t2 driver except for a patch to the address for the port to work with the internal RS-232 port mod from May 1989 Rainbow. When I tried 2400 baud yesterday it worked without a problem. Now I don't know if it was a freak occurance from something I did or if there is really a problem. My 'ghost' line problem is getting worse though. This problem goes away when I put the 6809 back in so it seems to indicate a bad CPU. Can't think of anything else that would cause it. I used the same boot disk without Powerbooster installed to test the CPUs. It was very consistant. I appreciate your input as to what my system problems could be from. The more ideas I get, the better my understanding of how the system works. Many thanks to everyone on their input. Randy There is 1 Reply. #: 15858 S15/Hot Topics 10-Jul-92 15:07:31 Sb: #15855-#6309 & /t2 Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: randy pischke 75460,205 (X) Randy, What 'ghost line' problem are you having? If you are refering to a double image problem, perhaps it is due to a slight change in horizontal sweep frequency due to the change in the CPU. Hmmmmm...maybe not, that should be taken care of by the GIME. But then again, the sparklies problem could be taken care of by changing the CPU, still a 68B09 just a difference manufacturer. I fixed mine by installing an AMD chip. Strange. Mark There is 1 Reply. #: 15911 S15/Hot Topics 15-Jul-92 01:39:37 Sb: #15858-#6309 & /t2 Fm: randy pischke 75460,205 To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X) Mark- I get these ghost vertical lines when I amon a high res screen that has a white background and the mouse pointer is active. As I move the pointer up and down the lines follow. With the pointer at the bottom right corner of the screen the lines cover the top 3/4 of the screen. When the pointer is moved to the top of the screen, the lines are gone. I am using GSHELL+ and when I press 'S' for a shell window, the lines also go away. They do come back when I close the shell window though. The lines also get worse the longer my system is running. It takes about 5 minutes for them to even show up. As I mentioned earlier, I do have a muffin fan in my computer and when I put my 6809 back in the lines never show up. It has to be a wierd 6309 since that is the only thing that I changed. There is no reasonable explanation. Randy. There is 1 Reply. #: 15913 S15/Hot Topics 15-Jul-92 09:56:59 Sb: #15911-6309 & /t2 Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: randy pischke 75460,205 Randy, Sounds logical to me! Mark #: 15835 S15/Hot Topics 09-Jul-92 02:25:14 Sb: #15796-#6309 & /t2 Fm: BOB LEET 72020,2536 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete, Your absolutely right about the cheap tin. Come to find out, that it was just the clock module causing all our Lock-up problems. At least as far as me and another guy can tell. He just gave the new clock module at our Phoenix COCO Club meeting earlier this evening. So far, 2 hours and counting, now lock-ups. Thanks for all your input. Thanks, Bob////// There is 1 Reply. #: 15841 S15/Hot Topics 09-Jul-92 08:49:13 Sb: #15835-6309 & /t2 Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: BOB LEET 72020,2536 Great.. glad it was simple (as hoped). That's one of the more disappointing things about the coco family... It wasn't very robust. Every now and then it'd lock up in the middle of a term paper, the world's greatest C program, or whatever because of the oxidization. Pete #: 15655 S15/Hot Topics 24-Jun-92 09:04:12 Sb: #15646-#6309 & /t2 Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: BOB LEET 72020,2536 (X) Bob, I concur with Pete, install the IRQ hack. What happens if you attempt to use Supercomm at a slower baud rate? Any lock ups? Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 15775 S15/Hot Topics 04-Jul-92 02:20:15 Sb: #15655-#6309 & /t2 Fm: BOB LEET 72020,2536 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) When using it at 1200 & 2400 both, the t2 will lock up. I am going to ask a couple of other people that are having the problem, if they have the IRQ hack. If that is the case, it must be in the t2 decriptor. What realy gets me, is now that the WIZ is working okay, its descriptor isn't locking up (M2W). So, it must not be the 6551 chips. Bob There is 1 Reply. #: 15781 S15/Hot Topics 04-Jul-92 08:04:03 Sb: #15775-#6309 & /t2 Fm: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715 To: BOB LEET 72020,2536 (X) I would suggest replacing ACIAPAK with SACIA and the T2 thats in the archive I used to have problems with some lock ups and lost chars (even though I have an IRQ hack) but once I replaced the drivers it works great. even supercomm can handle 9600 baud ok now. where with aciapak it lost characters all the time SACIA is in the eliminator package available here. There is 1 Reply. #: 15794 S15/Hot Topics 06-Jul-92 02:10:59 Sb: #15781-6309 & /t2 Fm: BOB LEET 72020,2536 To: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715 (X) Thanks for the advice. See ya, Bob////// #: 15763 S15/Hot Topics 03-Jul-92 10:15:08 Sb: #15637-6309 & /t2 Fm: Fred Carter 76646,3172 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Hi Bob: If you were to design your own 6309 computer you could use a 12 MHz clock which woul generte a 3ec Bs rate almos doubl that o the COO-3. I 6809 mode, he 630 acts just ike a 680cept that t uses lss power an hence geneates lss heat h may be jhat yor COCOneeds!). Regards, Fred Carter (7,317) #: 15639 S1/Geneterst 22-Ju-92 17 Sb: #15581-teac drve help Ke Drexlr 7512,3427 To: Tom 6645 (X) Thaks for he repst. It muc easiero red. (I dd fiure ou therier version.) I am tilling to gt my cotroller trk wih the rive bt your sagegave m a bigstep frwar. Ken #: 15652 S12/OS9/8000 (OSK 24-Jun-92 07:5:31 Sb: #MM/1 problems Fm: Bill Dhaus 70325,23 To: all Help! A couple o week ago started geting the fllowing rs when I booted my MM/1: *** cio traphandle mismach *** **** can't istall thanler *** These messages are diplayed whe the startp file tris to lad somdules. If I turn te MM/1 off wait a litt while, and turnit back o, all s back to noral. Ths was on hapening out o 5 or ti duing bot, and neer anyr time. 've had nootherems or sysem "werdnes", ande been using ita lot It ts wore.....when tried to bot my M/1 last nght, I got he mssage: Error: s stat excepion; vetor #$0008 t addr 4EF0002 Then it tries to reboot,after tsge "-- SystemReset<--". Idiscoered that ifI unplgged y keybard, could ge thi point,all the wa to the startup fi ut then the co errrs, mos, but n f the tie. I actually goo boo all the ay once or (but ith no keboard plgged Setup is MM/1 withI/O board,f memorye 31/2 HDfloppy Seagae 157N HD, T0 (modem), T(CoCo, Loitechmouse, atestserial river, windos v38......ad a crppy keboard :- Anybodye an is? Bll There are 4 Rees. #: 15654 S12/OS9/6OSK) 24-Jun-92 08:23:b: #1552-#MM1 probems FMark riffith 7070,41 To:ll Dckhaus 0325,53 (X) Bill, Doyou tr to lod the ath ad cio tra libraries wen you boot? o, mae sure your versions o drivers fo the mous, keyboar, and eveything lse is orect oes forthe winio verion youhave. Kevin cangedmost o them for each ver so you ay have a ismatch thre. Mark There is 1 Reply. #: 15661 S12/OS800 (OSK) 24-Jun-92 22:3835 Sb: #1565-#MM/1problemsm:Bill haus 7025,523 To: MaGriffih 76070,41 X) Ma I thought of hat, oo.e tred to boo from the 3 diskI got with the MM/1, a ddn't wrk, eiher. Im wondring his is't al tiedto a bad keyboard.I want to gt a betterone anyway so I'm ging t forone over th next ouple f day. Any ecomendtionson a goodquality keyoard? There is 1 Reply. #: 15665 S12/OS9/8000 (OK) 2-Jun-92 0942:04 Sb: 1#MM/1 problms Fm: Mark Griffith76070,41 To: Bill Dickhaus 7035,523 X) Bill It is possile I uppose The oot seuencesends n init to th keybard, bt I donkno if itlooks or anyhingg back. I do't thik it dos you can boot withoutboard nstalled. Maybe theare ging bad sice math and cio a n there?? Just athought. Mark There are 2 Repes. #: 15668 S12/OS9/68(OSK) 25-Jun-92 1:44 Sb: #15665-M/1 probleFm: Bill Dckhaus70325,23 Toark Giffth 76070,4 (X) Mark, I nevertried to boo withou the kyboard so I idn't now fr sureif it would. So maye it h roms ging ba, plus he possiility thatthe keyboard beingbad is cin the newer roblem. Bill #: 15676 S12/OS9/6800 (OSK) 25-J92 2:24:1 Sb: #15665-#MM/1 prblems Fm: Bill Dickaus 70325,523 o: ark Grffith 7070,41 ) Mark (and Kevn), The "systm stat extion was cused bythe keyboard. Ifound tht when I turnedthe keyboa upide don I din't ge the errr. I hecked ver th keyboard, ky by ,and fund tht the 0INS ky on te keypd wa a little lower than a thers, takng the keycap off soved t problehis keyboard is desined fordumpser! :-). I still the trap handler errors almost every time I boot. I am beginning to think you are right about the roms, if I power the system down, boot, and if it fails, try, try, again, it eventually works.....and keeps on working until I boot again.. Bill There is 1 Reply. #: 15678 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 25-Jun-92 22:39:29 Sb: #15676-#MM/1 problems Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X) Bill, Ah yes... if a key is down during boot, you get an error. Dunno why... Have you tried a different diskette for the boot, btw? I know it doesn't sound related (and probably isn't), but you never know. The two times that I couldn't get a boot to work it turned out that reformatting solved it. Again tho, this doesn't sound like the case for you, but thought I'd mention it. There is 1 Reply. #: 15684 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 26-Jun-92 13:45:48 Sb: #15678-#MM/1 problems Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) {Kevin, Yes, it was the key stuck down that did it, I can duplicate the error by holding any key down. I think my cat is responsible for the busted/stuck key, he likes to stretch out across the keyboard whenever I'm out of the room, that and the fact that its not the greatest keyboard around. I did try booting from different disks, including a copy of the original 3M boot disk, same result. I discovered that when I was able to get my system to boot that the version of cio in memory had a bad CRC. It was also much larger than the cio I have in my CMDS dir. I saved the cio with the bad CRC (I assume this is the cio in the rom) and then verified it with DED to fix the CRC, now all is well. Wierd. Bill There is 1 Reply. #: 15686 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 27-Jun-92 08:38:53 Sb: #15684-MM/1 problems Fm: Mike Ward 76703,2013 To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X) Perhaps your cat has learned to type interesting things on your keyboard while he's languishing there. #: 15658 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 24-Jun-92 16:51:04 Sb: #15652-#MM/1 problems Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X) I think the 2.4 math and cio modules are different from 2.3 and previous. I ran into a similar thing on the TC70... I was trying to use the 2.4 "irqs" command so I could see all the 68070 interrupt vectors, and got one of those errors. A lot of us have discovered that we're using old commands, btw. I finally noticed that I'd never installed the lastest basic/runb, for instance. kev There is 1 Reply. #: 15660 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 24-Jun-92 22:38:12 Sb: #15658-MM/1 problems Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) If I can ever get it to boot, I'll check that out. But why it would work some times, and not others? Could the other error I got be caused by a bad keyboard or bad keyboard connection? I'm going to try and find another keyboard to try. Bill #: 15705 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 29-Jun-92 20:55:10 Sb: #15652-#MM/1 problems Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X) Bill, I wonder if the ROMs are decaying? Sometimes when I boot my system the 'dir' command doesn't appear in the stuff in the ROMs, so the first dir goes to the disk to load itself. (I found this out when I started to use a replacement dir--sometimes I'd get the old one, sometimes the new one). My theory (dangerous ground here) is that sometimes a bit or two in the ROM is incorrect at the point where dir is located, so it's not mapped in. Could be that in your case it's a bad bit in cio. Maybe I should pull the ROMS and just reburn a copy and see what happens (but I'm too lazy). Hummm, one other thing I noticed is that it depends on how you boot. I had more luck getting 'dir' to appear in memory when I held RESET down for a few seconds than if I used 'break' or hit it momentarily. There is 1 Reply. #: 15709 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 30-Jun-92 07:44:07 Sb: #15705-#MM/1 problems Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) Bob, I think you're right, I'm thinking about ordering the new ROMs for the MM/1 anyway (but I'm a little annoyed at the price). It looks like just a bit or two got messed up in the cio in the ROMs, resulting in a bad CRC. The real problem is that the cio I have on disk is not compatible with any of the system utilities, so I got the traphandler error. I found I was able to get the cio module with the bad CRC to stay in memory by forcing an error during the boot process by holding a key down (funny thing is I would never have known about this if it weren't for a stuck key!) when the system tries to recover from that error, the modules in ROM don't get rechecked, or something. I now have a possibly corrupted version of cio, but so far it appears to be working. This brings up another problem I've got. If I hit reset to reboot, it hangs trying to ccess thehard drive I can onlyreboot by pwering of and back o. I suspect its juimingproblem, ut where isthe prem?Any ideas?I have a Seagatedrive and th latest (s faI now) rivers. Bill Te is 1 Repl. #: 15712 S12/O000 (OS) 30-Jun-92 09:41:39 15709-#MM/1 roblems Fm: Mark Grifith 76070,4 To: Bill Dickhaus 7025,523 (X Bill, You might need to set the elay tie in the nit module o wait a whiler before accessing thedrive. Diferent dives requre differen time delay beforI controller. I have my delay time set with a value of 50, which seems to work with whatever drive I try. Mark There is 1 Reply. #: 15714 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 30-Jun-92 10:13:59 Sb: #15712-MM/1 problems Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X) Mark, Thanks, I'll try that. I had it in the back of my mind (bad place to put something :-) to look that up, but hadn't done it yet. Bill #: 15783 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 04-Jul-92 11:11:28 Sb: #15652-#MM/1 problems Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565 To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X) Try this string of commands to test modules in memory (including ROM): mdir -u ! grep -v sysgo ! ident -qmz If your ROM is going south you should get bad CRCs for the ROM modules. You can also use this method as a brute force quick and dirty memory test by loading the entire contents of the CMDS directory into RAM and doing the same thing. This can get tricky as some programs like to put non OS9 modules in the CMDS directory which then won't load. I got around this by giving all of the all of the non OS9 modules uppercase names and using the command string: dir -u ! grep [a-z] ! load -zd I think that's close, I'm doing this all from memory. Hope this helps. -J There is 1 Reply. #: 15826 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 08-Jul-92 21:07:29 Sb: #15783-MM/1 problems Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 To: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565 (X) Thanks, Jay. I just tried what you suggested, and came up with all good crc's. I'm beginning to think that only the cio module is bad. But I did do this after booting and loading many modules that are probably also in rom, so its not a good test of only what's in rom, I'll try this next time I boot. As long as I get the right version of cio loaded right away in the startup file, all the problems go away. Bill #: 15657 S6/Applications 24-Jun-92 11:42:56 Sb: #15607-#Radio control Fm: Tom Napolitano 70215,1130 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Kevin, Hi. For sw receivers to have facility for computer control, you have to get into the middle price range, Icom R71a for $850,list or Kenwood R5000 for about the same price. These two are available used for about $200 cheaper. There the JRC series give you better specs, and more features for more dough. The Japan Radio nrd525 at about $1000 and the Drake R8 for the same price are the next step up. Check out Monitoring Times for the latest adds, and reviews. The JRC command set, I feel, is the easiest to program. In fact you could control the receiver about 80% via rs232, but being a knob twiddler, I would rather just let the computer do what it does best, keep data bases of frequencies and let me spin the dials. You really need a fine touch to bring in those Papua New Guinea stations. tomn There is 1 Reply. #: 15659 S6/Applications 24-Jun-92 16:53:09 Sb: #15657-Radio control Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Tom Napolitano 70215,1130 (X) Thanks Tom! I've often wanted to get an SW receiver... my job in the Army was as a knob twiddler. (We all had black thumbs, in fact!) kev #: 15664 S14/misc/info/Soapbox 25-Jun-92 09:38:40 Sb: #Radio War Stories Fm: Tom Napolitano 70215,1130 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Kev, So you were a radio operator with the military? As I recall, you were navy. Are you familiar with the R390A? That was a great receiver; still is. I saw a couple for sale at a recent swap, $200 asking, but I saw a guy talk it down to $80 each. As a jarhead, we got to work 6 meters with the an/prc-25. Not as neat as the 390, but then again, I wouldn't want to carry the 390 very far! I've seen reviews for addons to scanner receivers that give computer control. These are various forms of interfaces that parallel the keypads, and invariably are associated with msdos software. But I don't do much listening above 30 mhz. tomn There is 1 Reply. #: 15673 S14/misc/info/Soapbox 25-Jun-92 15:47:47 Sb: #15664-#Radio War Stories Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Tom Napolitano 70215,1130 (X) Tom, I was an electronic warfare voice-intercept operator/linguist for the Army Security Agency (a military branch of NSA). Our job was to eavesdrop on and track North Korean military transmissions. At first I operated from the NSA Field Station in mid-South Korea, but then was transferred to a tactical outfit up at the DMZ (I have lots of horror stories about that! :-). Yep, I remember the 390... we trained on it, but never used it in the field. There, we used either vans mounted on the back of 5/4 ton trucks (TRQ-23? and later TRQ-32) or backpack receiver sets (TRQ-30), plus jeep-mounted jammers (TLQ-17) and truck-mounted jammers (GLQ-3). Oh, and microwave DF (MLQ-??). The gear used at the Field Station is something I probably still can't talk about. We would've killed for a portable digital receiver/DF-unit at the time (they got them a few years later on). Instead, we spent most of our time "knobbing" through several bands by hand. To this day, I hate static and headphones :) ASA is where I met Marsha, btw. She was in my Korean class, and later was at the Field Station, which was about 50 klicks south of where I was... so I'd often go AWOL on the weekends to see her ;-) So you were a Marine? Yikes! - kevin There are 2 Replies. #: 15685 S14/misc/info/Soapbox 27-Jun-92 02:11:36 Sb: #15673-#Radio War Stories Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Hey Kevin, How bout that? I had about the same job in the Air Force, but I had it a little easier. First they sent me to Syracuse Univ. to learn German, then they sent me to Germany. Tough life, eh? I did do about 8 months as a member of an Air Force Liaison team at an ASA site in Berlin. Those poor guys didn't even have air conditioning at their site - and they ate out of these funny tin trays - geez. I guess there is not a lot of work for German Linguists in that field any more - I would like to get back to Berlin now that thw "wall" is gone. Ditto on the earphones and static too, I remember listening to a weak signal - far away - and then you hear a transport pilot right over your head (Berlin) key his mike.... see if you can get to the controls before he talks and your eardrums touch in the middle of your head. (So loud you can taste it). Did most of my last enlistment at NSA. Got my intro to computers there. Man, what I coulda done with this MM/1 on my desk. John Wainwright There is 1 Reply. #: 15687 S14/misc/info/Soapbox 27-Jun-92 15:22:00 Sb: #15685-#Radio War Stories Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X) John, No kidding? They sent you to a University to learn German instead of to DLI? Lucky dog! BTW, I had six years of high school and college German under my belt when I joined up... so naturally the Army picked Korean for my language. Figures, eh? Yeah, at the tactical outfit we'd be complaining about how our 20-year-old unheated quonset huts were like Swiss cheese to the Mongolian/Siberian cold wind, while our USAF counterparts down at Osan were complaining about the tint on their room color TV being slightly off :-) Man, you USAF had it made! You're right; what we could've done with personal computers back then. DF, etc. And back in the US before I got out, I made a jammer mockup out of cardboard, wood and plastic. Boy, if we'd had even just CoCo's back then, I could've instead done a trainer which actually "worked" and had feedback. There's an awful lot of ex-Intel types on CIS, btw. I run into AF/Army EW and NSA people all the time around here. I guess wanting to be in the comm links just gets into the blood :-) cheers - kevin There is 1 Reply. #: 15690 S14/misc/info/Soapbox 28-Jun-92 09:00:05 Sb: #15687-#Radio War Stories Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Kevin, Hehe, I wanted to get into electronics when I joined - but the USAF found out I was partly color-blind. My high school spanish teacher would have been astounded to learn that I had an "aptitude" for languages. The army types did have one little advantage - by the time I made SSGT (air force E-5), most of my army friends were E-6 and had been for quite a while. I do claim one personal record - I spent almost 8 years in the USAF and never flew on a military airplane. Off the subject, but I was wondering if you know of a way to generate a NULL from the MM/1 keyboard - for printer control strings in a text file and such. The only way I have found is to make a file containing just a NULL and then get EMACS to insert it in my text. JohnW There is 1 Reply. #: 15692 S14/misc/info/Soapbox 28-Jun-92 15:09:54 Sb: #15690-Radio War Stories Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X) John, You didn't miss anything by not flying... we got shipped around in the back along with trucks and jeeps; it was cold, noisy and uncomfortable... and sometimes dangerous: the vehicles sometimes broke loose on takeoff, fuel cans with tightened lids would pop and spray fuel from pressure drops. Fortunately, such stuff always happened to the plane in front or behind the one I was on. Still, I'd rather drive instead :-) In the later keyboard drivers, a CTRL-space created a null. I'm redoing the driver again with input from Eddie Kuns and Tim Kientzle to add more. cheers - kev #: 15838 S14/misc/info/Soapbox 09-Jul-92 08:07:40 Sb: #15673-Radio War Stories Fm: Tom Napolitano 70215,1130 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) ->We would've killed for a portable digital receiver/DF-unit at the time ->(they got them a few years later on). Instead, we spent most of our ->time "knobbing" through several bands by hand. To this day, I hate ->static and headphones :) We shortwave listeners have been known to stay up 'til 4 AM local time listening to stations 2db above the static in languages we can't understand. ->was at the Field Station, which was about 50 klicks south of where I ->was... so I'd often go AWOL on the weekends to see her ;-) Lucky dog, you. ->So you were a Marine? Yikes! - kevin Drafted. I'm a lover, not a fighter I'm writing a more complex receiver control program now to run under multivu on the coco3. How complicated will this be to convert to run under the 68k windowing systems? How similar are the new systems to the coco data structures and system calls? tomn #: 15688 S1/General Interest 27-Jun-92 21:50:15 Sb: #OS9 Underground Fm: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 To: all Anyone out here on CI$ getting the OS9 UNDERGROUND Magazine yet?? Just got my first issue of the magazine, and it really looks great. How about it? Anyone else besides me?? (and some comments if you did get your premier issue of the magazine??) jim There are 3 Replies. #: 15689 S1/General Interest 28-Jun-92 03:05:07 Sb: #15688-OS9 Underground Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 (X) I got a copy of it at the fest... In case it hasn't been mentioned here yet, "OS9 Underground" and "68xxx" magazines have merged (as of a few days ago). BTW, the cost of an ad in there is incredibly low right now, if there are any programmers here who've always wanted to sell something they've done. #: 15698 S1/General Interest 29-Jun-92 08:21:38 Sb: #15688-#OS9 Underground Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 (X) Jim, Just a side comment -- CI$ is really not acceptable here. CIS is better. Mark There are 2 Replies. #: 15699 S1/General Interest 29-Jun-92 12:08:08 Sb: #15698-#OS9 Underground Fm: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X) Shucks, Mark, you may indeed be correct that CIS is better here than CI$, but I've been calling CIS "CI$" since 1984, both here, on the service, and elsewhere. If Delphi, Genie or Prodigy had an "S" in it, I'd probably transpose a "$" for the S. No insult is meant towards CIS, but is IS a pay-per-usage service. I like CIS so much better than I frankly like Delphi, that I re-signed up for the service a short while ago. (I got my start telecommunicating right here on this service.) I'll try to keep my S's as S's, but if a $ shows up, then no insult intended towards either CIS or any member of this service. jim There are 2 Replies. #: 15700 S1/General Interest 29-Jun-92 14:37:48 Sb: #15699-#OS9 Underground Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 (X) Jim, Well, if your fingers just happen to hit the $ instead of the S, then why don't you sign your name as Jim $utemeier? I believe you have gotten into a habit which will take some time to break. I for one do not like to see CI$ since it is all to often used as a cut-down for this service, which may be more expensive then any of the others (note I say "may"), but then, you get what you pay for don't you? Mark There are 2 Replies. #: 15706 S1/General Interest 29-Jun-92 21:35:21 Sb: #15700-#OS9 Underground Fm: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X) I agree, Mark...this service may indeed be more expensive than the others, but I do find the message bases here much more informative and to the point than, say, on Delphi. The questions here are straight, to the point, and the answers are eually straight and to the point. I joined CI$ (CIS) back in 1983 when I got my first CoCo, and remained a member for over 5 years. In all that time, I referred to this service as CI$...not as an insult, but more as a reminder to those who called my BBS that this was a pay-per-usage service (unlike my BBS, which was free, of course). Many others called this CI$, I do not own the copyright on this phrasing. But, I will try to not ruffle any feathers here, and try to remember CIS. BTW, didn't you just move to St. Louis?? (My old home town....) jim There is 1 Reply. #: 15710 S1/General Interest 30-Jun-92 09:30:34 Sb: #15706-#OS9 Underground Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 (X) Jim, Calling this service CI$ on your BBS or on Delphi is one matter, doing it here is another. That is my point. Yeah, moved to the St. Louis area back in January, but just moved the family here at the beginning of June. We all like it a lot. See ya, Mark There is 1 Reply. #: 15732 S1/General Interest 01-Jul-92 20:46:59 Sb: #15710-#OS9 Underground Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X) Who cares what you call this system? I'm sure that no one at H & R Block is upset that you call it CI$--so long as you keep signing on and spending your money. There is 1 Reply. #: 15736 S1/General Interest 01-Jul-92 23:29:18 Sb: #15732-#OS9 Underground Fm: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) I agree, Bob.....I was calling CIS "CI$" clear back in 1983, right here on CI$......as were many of the users of the service. (I sure didn't make it up myself). However, I don't want to ruffle any feathers, and Mark's feathers appear to be ruffled, so I will try to refrain from something I've done for almost 10 years. (sheesh) jim There are 2 Replies. #: 15744 S1/General Interest 02-Jul-92 09:01:02 Sb: #15736-OS9 Underground Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 (X) Jim, My feathers are not ruffled, I just don't like to see that and I would like you to stop if you feel you can. If you can't, the so be it. Mark #: 15745 S1/General Interest 02-Jul-92 09:01:12 Sb: #15736-OS9 Underground Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 (X) Mark seem$ to have appointed him$elf the Compu$erve (aka CI$) apologi$t. I don't think you need to change anything. When someone has an allergy, an allergist will expose the patient to small doses of the substance to which the patient is allergic. Eventually, the person with the allergy will become desensitized to the substance. Lee #: 15799 S1/General Interest 06-Jul-92 23:53:43 Sb: #15700-#OS9 Underground Fm: Bob Palmer 74646,2156 To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X) MAY ? be more expensive. I have been forced down to 300 baud to read the mail because of certain system's pricing structures. Not that they are not extremely good services you understand, just more expensive than I like to pay (what isn't you may well ask ). Message counts may be a good indicator of the effects of price structures. That's the lot for this topic. Bob There is 1 Reply. #: 15802 S1/General Interest 07-Jul-92 09:14:17 Sb: #15799-OS9 Underground Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: Bob Palmer 74646,2156 (X) Bob, If all you want to do is read mail online, then CIS is not the cheapest service to use. If, however, you are interested in getting the best publically available software, and download it at a reasonable cost, then CIS becomes more competitive with the other services. For that matter, grabbing the entire message bease every day or so, and then reading offline is much cheaper than online reading. This is why I said "may". Mark #: 15702 S1/General Interest 29-Jun-92 18:44:25 Sb: #15699-#OS9 Underground Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 (X) Hey Jim ... nice to see you back! Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 15707 S1/General Interest 29-Jun-92 21:36:54 Sb: #15702-OS9 Underground Fm: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Thanks, Steve, it's good to be back here. I was trying to cut down on costs around here a couple of months back, but really missed all you guys here, and the great discussions we have had. Will chat with you soon. Take care. jim #: 15724 S1/General Interest 01-Jul-92 16:55:26 Sb: #15698-OS9 Underground Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X) Lighten up, Mark. It was probably just a typo. $eriously. Lee ;-) #: 15723 S1/General Interest 01-Jul-92 16:53:13 Sb: #15688-#OS9 Underground Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 (X) Yeah, I just got one, too. They do look pretty good. Lee There is 1 Reply. #: 15735 S1/General Interest 01-Jul-92 23:26:32 Sb: #15723-#OS9 Underground Fm: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X) Wait until you see next month's Underground, Lee....the print should be better than the first month (although the first issue looked excellent), and there will be many more articles in the next issue, seeing as 68XXX is now a part of the Underground. Shucks, I think my own article about hasing in C will make this next issue. (sheepish grin) This next issue should really be quite impressive. jim There is 1 Reply. #: 15800 S1/General Interest 06-Jul-92 23:59:01 Sb: #15735-#OS9 Underground Fm: Bob Palmer 74646,2156 To: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 (X) Boy - I had better subscribe right away. I don't know anything about hasing in C or any other language. :-) Bob There is 1 Reply. #: 15801 S1/General Interest 07-Jul-92 09:06:39 Sb: #15800-OS9 Underground Fm: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 To: Bob Palmer 74646,2156 (X) Whoops, I sure did say "hasing", didn't I?? Meant hashing, of course.... Sorry for the typo..... jim #: 15691 S3/Languages 28-Jun-92 12:04:30 Sb: _ss_mgpb in MM/1 CGFX.L Fm: Bert Schneider 70244,427 To: ALL Is there a way to map a get/put buffer on the MM/1 like the CoCo? I have been using _ss_mgpb(path,grpnum,bufnum) on the CoCo OS9 with cgfx.l and I would like to do the same with the MM/1 version of CGFX.L. Is there another way to do this or is this something entirely different? Thanks for anyones help! Bert Schneider #: 15693 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 28-Jun-92 17:03:10 Sb: #fidonet-software for OSK Fm: ole hansen 100016,3417 To: All users To all os-9/freeks. Does anybody know if some 'fidonet'-software has been ported to OSK. I am trying to connect to the Danish fidonet from my OSK-system I have in the lab at my work. I am already running Email by using the TOP's mail-system for OSK, and this works fine regards ole@danelec.dk There is 1 Reply. #: 15701 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 29-Jun-92 17:23:12 Sb: #15693-#fidonet-software for OSK Fm: Robert Heller 71450,3432 To: ole hansen 100016,3417 (X) Ole: I too have been seeking FidoNet software for OSK. I don't think there is anything out there. Plenty of Mess-DOS sources (Bink, Maximus, etc.). Probably could be ported, but would be rather a pain in the rear.... Robert There are 2 Replies. #: 15708 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 29-Jun-92 21:41:31 Sb: #15701-#fidonet-software for OSK Fm: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 To: Robert Heller 71450,3432 (X) I understand that RiBBS will EVENTUALLY be ported over to OSK, but that is supposed to be a couple of years off. StG should be coming out with an OSK BBS for OS9 pretty soon, and they claim that it'll have Usenet accesses, in addition to their own networking. StG, BTW, has probably 20-30 nodes hooked up now. Not a huge network like FidoNet, but it does have a pretty decent userbase. jim There is 1 Reply. #: 15715 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 30-Jun-92 18:20:02 Sb: #15708-fidonet-software for OSK Fm: Robert Heller 71450,3432 To: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 (X) Well, Usenet access does me little good - there aren't any local machines running uucp out here in Western Mass. Lots of FidoNet nodes though... Robert #: 15725 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 01-Jul-92 16:56:50 Sb: #15701-#fidonet-software for OSK Fm: ole hansen 100016,3417 To: Robert Heller 71450,3432 (X) hello robert I have a unix-port for a fidonet-server, but the Microware and gnu c-compilers didn't like the dialect it was written in, so .... regards ole@danelec.dk There is 1 Reply. #: 15727 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 01-Jul-92 18:23:43 Sb: #15725-#fidonet-software for OSK Fm: Robert Heller 71450,3432 To: ole hansen 100016,3417 (X) Hmmmm. Most vanila UNIX code ports well to OSK. Robert There is 1 Reply. #: 15785 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 04-Jul-92 14:51:23 Sb: #15727-fidonet-software for OSK Fm: ole hansen 100016,3417 To: Robert Heller 71450,3432 (X) hello robert I hope too. At least I found out why I had problem compiling under unix. 1 header-file was empty, and this caused a lot of strange messages from the compiler. regards ole #: 15694 S1/General Interest 28-Jun-92 17:09:47 Sb: #OS9 Underground Pricing Fm: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 To: 76703,4227 (X) You got that right, Kevin. I wasn't sure exactly what the advertising prices were, so I gave Alan a call this morning to see what they were. For those who might be interested, here's a few representative prices: 1 month 3 months 6 months 1/4 page 7.50 15 30 1/2 page 10 20 34 IBC/IFC 25 50 95 Camera ready art is required for the ads, but, if you don't have something ready, Alan is a graphics artist, and can (easily and inexpensively) whip up something to your liking. Shucks, a programmer could invest only $30 and have an ad displaying his work for 6 months. I'll bet beer, for most programmers, is more than $30 for 6 months. (grin) jim There is 1 Reply. #: 15695 S1/General Interest 28-Jun-92 21:01:56 Sb: #15694-OS9 Underground Pricing Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 (X) Yah, I told him that his ad prices were too low :-), but he said that's to give more people an opportunity to get started. Sounds good to me! #: 15696 S5/OS9 Users Group 28-Jun-92 22:07:59 Sb: #15364-#announcement Fm: John Wight 76370,2100 To: Carl Kreider 71076,76 (X) As for OS-9 CN, we have success in communicating with those in Europe and Australia as well. I have been thinking about the many discussions of ideas related to OS-9 CN, and the old/new users group, in particular what you had to say. I feel very strongly the OS-9 Community needs both. The Users' Group is better suited to support business users, and those that can easily afford to access such services as Delphi, CIS, and the Internet family of networks, and to send in for membership for the Users' Group. I will apply for membership, although the first time didn't work out well for me, or many of us. OS-9 CN has its place, too. OS-9 CN is for amateur users of OS-9, in particular those with an extremly small budget. Many Australian and European users are now able to communicate with us because we use the most inexpensive means. On the other hand, services such as Delphi are prohibitively expensive (Delphi is $18.00 an hour for me, although CIS is $12.80 an hour living in Hawaii). It is even more expensive for Canadian users to communicate. Because we are amateurs and use the most inexpensive means to communicate, OS-9 users outside of the U.S. have given OS-9 CN much support in their communications efforts. I feel we need both groups to serve the OS-9 Community, so why not make sure there is communications between our groups? As for an efficient means, we are working on it. I tried Internet/UUCP, but lost my feed and don't know where to get another affordable one. I come to CIS regularly (once every one or two weeks), so we can start with that. Also, many other representatives of OS-9 CN visit CIS and Delphi regularly, and I am compiling a list of user names. There is 1 Reply. #: 15772 S5/OS9 Users Group 03-Jul-92 22:15:48 Sb: #15696-announcement Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76 To: John Wight 76370,2100 Nice to see you are around. I thought you had disappeared. I certainly think the OS-9 community needs the OS-9 User Group. I know the first time didn't work out well. In fact, it probably bothered me more than you to see all of my several years of hard work go down the drain. But I believe that it will work better this time. Living where I do, the value of OS-9 CN isn't as clear. As I have mentioned before, I don't know where to find Fido or what I would do with it if I found it. But I trust you judgement that it is useful to a group of OS-9 users. And I don't see how the goals of the OS-9 UG and the OS-9 CN conflict with each other or exclude the other. Surely some folks will want to be members of both. I agree that effort should be put into cross pollination. For example, perhaps the OS-9 CN would like to use the MOTD to keep non-Fido people abreast of the OS-9 CN doings. Like you, I don't know an efficient means to stay in communication. A local public access Unix connection is reasonable in price, but isn't available everywhere. For now, CIS is a common intersection. StG net is growing, but again the cost of moving news around has to be borne by someone. Have you tried to interest the StG guys in OS-9 CN? There appears to be some redundant effort there. #: 15697 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 28-Jun-92 23:00:24 Sb: #15616-#6309 Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 To: randy pischke 75460,205 (X) I glad that I could be of help. I just got back from home leave ( a time in 've been wondering if there are other chips in the COCO that have upgrades/replacements available.--Br. Jeremy, CSJW There is 1 Reply. #: 15809 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 07-Jul-92 21:57:56 Sb: #15697-#6309 Fm: randy pischke 75460,205 To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X) I received my upgrade today so I dove in and did it. Only one problem, when using Multi-vue I get many flickering "ghost" lines at the top of the screen. They seem linked to the mouse pointer. If I move the pointer down, the lines move lower down on the screen. They move back up as the pointer moves up. Do you have any similar problems? There is 1 Reply. #: 15829 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 08-Jul-92 22:04:47 Sb: #15809-#6309 Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 To: randy pischke 75460,205 (X) Dear Randy, No, I do not seem to have that problem. I use the GSHELL1.24a version and have some other patches. Unfortunately, I did not always keep good notes of how I put the boot/system together. But I will check to see if I have anything that greatly deviates from stock. I have the patched GRFDRV and the INIT patch to fix the rollover problem. I know that they are here on CIS. I'll be in touch. With all best wishes, Br. Jeremy, CSJW There is 1 Reply. #: 15854 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 10-Jul-92 01:12:10 Sb: #15829-6309 Fm: randy pischke 75460,205 To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X) Br. Jeremy, I also use gshell 1.24a. Have install the grfdrv patch but haven't heard of the INIT patch. Maybe I should get that also. Any modification that I hear of I make to my system so I have quite a few patches to my system. As I mentioned to Pete Lyall, I reinstalled my 6809 and the vertical 'ghost' lines that were appearing on my hi-res screen on white backgrounds went away. I will check on getting a replacement 6309. Take care 'til I hear from you again. Randy. #: 15703 S3/Languages 29-Jun-92 20:39:06 Sb: #CGFX.L for MM/1 OSK Fm: Bert Schneider 70244,427 To: 71076,76 (X) Carl, I am interested in porting some C code from CoCo Level II to OSK MM/1 but I need some assistance with your CGFX library. Does _gs_scadd do the same thing as the _ss_mgpb call in cgfx.l in CoCo OS9? Also, do you really mean Point(path,x,y) instead of Point(path)? 99% of my code is compatible except for the loading and saving of .vef files for graphics windows. Obviously I have to go to another format for saving the pictures. Any suggestions? Bert Schneider There is 1 Reply. #: 15711 S3/Languages 30-Jun-92 09:33:32 Sb: #15703-CGFX.L for MM/1 OSK Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: Bert Schneider 70244,427 (X) Bert, You should be addressing your questions to Mike Haaland, the author of the MM/1 C graphics library. I can tell you though, if something is not in the library that was in the CoCo version, it is probably because it is not supported by the OSK version of windio. If you haven't, you might what to check the libraries for the latest version of cgfx for the MM/1. Mike did a newer version for the latest release of windio and you might have an older copy. Look in DL16 or DL12. Mark #: 15716 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 30-Jun-92 18:59:16 Sb: #WindIO ideas? Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: all Anyone have any *minor* suggestions before I post windio v42 in a couple of days? For example, someone suggested that the default keypad mode on boot should be numeric (ie: hitting NUMLOCK would actually change to cursor key mode)... since everyone has separate cursor keys and thus the numbers would be available right away. Sounds like a good idea to me. Stuff along those lines. Then we can start on the big stuff (allowing programs to move/resize/etc). thanks! - kev There are 2 Replies. #: 15733 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 01-Jul-92 20:47:07 Sb: #15716-#WindIO ideas? Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Not a suggestion, but I do notice that sometimes my keyboard will not switch from NUMLOCK mode to normal. Seems that after the first toggle it doesn't want to switch back. Don't know if this is the keyboard or the software? Also, why not have the initial mode as an option (maybe set in /dd/sys/keyboard.env). This file could also have other options in it (like having the Fkeys generate values, instead of being screen selectors). There is 1 Reply. #: 15750 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 02-Jul-92 10:31:15 Sb: #15733-WindIO ideas? Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X Bob, I note a similar problem with bth num lockand caps lck on my sstem. Itgls fine butthe lmps on he keyoard wn't reelct i's propr staus. Not sureif it's ord prolem or ot .. I've ust goten usedit. Steve #: 15737 S12/OS9/6800K) 01-Jl-92 3:40:3 Sb: #15716-WindIOideas Fm: Ken Scale 74646,227 To: Darling76703,427 (X Openihe foodgats jus a crac... KD>Anyone have ay *minor*in> sggestionsbefore I indiov42 in a KD>couple y? Maybe a few... utfirst, let e say tha the "stcript you poste tooCo the other ay ble me aay: I ad noidea soe of tose thngs wee evn on the drawig b lt alon usabl (yea, "unspporte"). I ent rght outndstartedlookin for a new mnitor withhigherpersistnce tan my crrent Sears/Sanyo,use mthinksa type7 scren wil get alot mre use wit those capabilitieeent. reat jb! Back on topic.. a cuple gltches have ncountered wih v41, tou probably now ofmost aleady: 1) Alt-backarrow cnflicts wth ALT-TRL-B indow l(yeah a detal left ver frhe lat-minue move eyoardmouse to CTRL-as) 2) The moue ct/pasfer eems t get te wrog sco-ordnates n screens oher tx26 types. 3) The moue seemccssionaly getexcomunicatd (nobutton Mouse System drive Ed 4,$F8C5A6 4) I have had a seres of sots (garbag) scatterrd acr5 (type 7 moved/resized and ith /w6 & w7 oerlaysunderstest dmo). hesespots were writen when TasOM (runnig on /w3) emtted its"CONNECT" blls. Seemed to oupleof spots pr each of 3l. Happene twice. BTW this is on a 9-eg mmory ma. Ba pointr in he "bel" r, perchance? Could also e in TasCM, of cours. Hmmm... guess I'm kinda v onight.. coninuednext mesage. There is 1 Reply. #: 1573S12OS9/600 (OSK) 01-Jul-2 23:44:b: #1577-WindIOideas? Fm:Scale 7464,2237 To: cales 4646,237 (X (continuem previous ae)... As for the suggestins (yo can pck whih are minor" g>): a) Folks withous needa way ithe killthe reize/moe keyoard actvatio, or away ofcompletng itfrom he key b) Progrmmers need way of dtermiing i an aplicaton isrunnin under K-Windo gtstatcall giing adetermiistic esult oul sure be nice. Or as I suggsted onemail, efinig a ":KW:"(or some uch) r in Temcap. aybe ven a "KW=42: for eition 2, e.g. kw = tgetnm("KW"); if (kw > 3) {..} ned a stndard sooh. c) Signalswhen windanged I woud lie to se codes to _ss_dcon() and _ff) to enabe and disale senf a sinal to a pocesswhen ito has ben chaged/rsized(defaut, no sl, of cours). It woul have bee really nie (and eay) to havebeen able ut upport forthese in m "sc" and"ispell" orts. d) A bigge mousecut/pase buffr we nice e) Then thee's thse F-kes... Anyways, cheer, and keepup th goodwork.se! Ken (hat sunurn ad goate acros the upper able i Chicgo...) #: 15717 S9/809 (CCo) 30-Ju-92 2153:40 Sb: Data Bass Fm: BILL JLF 7263,226 To: AlDoes anyoneknow of a ata Bse whih wil allow morn a thee (3) evel so ata Mater frm Compterwar (theLevel2 verion of rofile)allows three evels of orts,oesnt allo furter sors on the list'. know his isprobaby an od s, new on orum Thanks Bill elf #: 15719 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 01-Jul-92 2:20:7 donet-oftwar for OS Fm: Jim Sutmeier 0673,154 To: Robller 1450,432 (X) Shucks, if thereare a lot f Fido nods, andUsenet noin you part f the countr sugest yo openup a Used, rater tha a Fid feedI was a BBSoperatr from e984 unti the end o 1991 ( srry, gus) is hat if ou have oportuity to ffer omethig uniue to our commuity, thenI'd est you go ith that,e than oing wth wha's alrher. Fro a SysOp's pont of vie, the priarideation is tat you want our investmet to bsy ad attrat calers. If you hasmething uniqe to your area, you sand a beter chanc of gettingcalles, andkeepin them. jim Sutemeier There is 1ly #: 15728 S12/OS9/68000(OSK) 01-Jul-92 4:2 Sb: #15719-fidonetsoftware fo OSK Fm: RobertHeller71450,432 To: Jim Suteeie 706731754 (X Jim: I have nothing nst offerin something uique. Wihin the FioNet world, mypresent sys rather uique - I un a BB on a Sride 40. Ths is a 6800d system. The opeating systeP/M-68K lyerde on a ti-User BIS" (a kindof tatcherrunnig unde multile copies ofa single-user O/S). S software s UNXcess .0.2, hich ws writen fo UNIX, but I hact for CPM-68K. I se a homegrown maier progra (Wolf/68K) with a home-grow echomailhandler. Te probem wit offerng a Uenet is cot of imorting Also most of the peple who wind a Usent feedintersting an gia the Int conectionto th localcollees (UMAmherst, mith Collee, Amherst Colleg, Hampsolleg, and ount Hlyoke olleg). One of he main reasons the'tinthe wayof Useet out h the ack of UNIX systet ae not art oflege cmpus sytem. Veryusinesss running UNIX hops an thosefew ar too sall an poor o handl muchd their own EMail over ucp. While mypresent ystem wors, it s limitd in was (notthe last of which i har- th 'ole Strid is geting old and epair and replat pats are hardt comethe hrd dis contoller ied rcen my system was own fr oo monhs, unil I maageocatea replcement machine () If I couldmove to OK, tulss o a problem migrating to newwer ardware wuld be posble also mmore ffectve us of the Strie as wel (ithas 10serial pors, but CP/M68K, dispte tuti-User BIS" is a sinle-user / inge-tas/S). Robert #: 15722 S1/General Interest 01-Jul-92 16 Sb: #15598-Thes Operting ystem Fm: Lal172 To: Kevin Drling 6703,427 (X) Theos, hmmmmm!!!! I wonifDan ha aske aboutthis o.sys oer in the Reigion Foum. d like Teos would b something hat wold run n G.O..-likecomputr. (G.O.D. bein and arony which meas "Graphi Omniscint Device") Lee #:15762 S/Generest 03Jul-9 10:5:05 Sb: #15597-#Theos Oprating Fm: Fred Carter 6646,3172 To: Dn Dalen70641,551 (X H: What is Teos? Frmessage I gther you ae using a ystem with thos Oeratin Syste on iheos s optimzed fr mult-user ata bae application. Eachdata ores infomation abou the data tpe of eac field of a record. (IT comman can be use on any ata fie) Theo may sund lik a mythlogreek gd, but believ it is an acronym for"THE Operaing System. Before tere was86, ther was OASIS ("Onine Aplicaiofo Sysem" or omething which ran o a Z-80. The systemsuppoted abose per Mz of sstem cock sped. The Z80 sysems runnOSIS (Altosfor exampl) usually hd 256K of AM and 40 to 400 MBd disk stoage. 10 y this wold have cst $2K. The hard isks wee of size sing aSMD (torageModul Devie) Irface Averae seek ime was 20-2 millisecons and trasfer rateswere 1/Sec. Troughthe useof ovelays, rogram could e arbitraily large The ommand lin interpretr is simliar o REXX and ws modelIB mainframe (Systm/36?). he comman line interprter was refully oaded script languae. Appicatios coul be witten n BASIC,and later C Print Spooling is buil in and mltiple prnters nd prit frete. Theos liXor OS-. Theos ht foundationsolidly n the MISnagement Iformationms) wold. Whil I haen't sed the'38sion the Z-80 ad 808 versire roust andefficient. Regards Fred Carter (7666,3172) There is 1 eply. #: 15773 S1/Genera Interst Jul-9 00:0:11 Sb: #1562-Theo Operatng Sysem Fm: Kevin arling 6707 To: FredCarte 7664,3172 X) Fred, Was it Oasis or Oasys? I remmber the ltter... i was multuser and ad automatcrd-locing lke OS-. best - kev #: 15726 S10/OS9/609 (CoCo) 01Jul-92 17:6:29 Sb: #15617-Smartwach Clock Fm: Lee Veal 7172 To: randypischke75460205 (X Randy, saw part of yur exchang withKevin. I justuploaed SMAT.AR toDL10tll robablybe avalable tmorrow r when evr the sysps activate i Lee #: 15729 S3/es 01-Jul-9 19:2:56 Sb: #CGX.L Bet Schnider 7244,47 To: MarkGriffit I found out that all isthe Verion 3 isue o CGFX. - I ned tha to sav my image dik! So far,98% of thecod great o the MM/1! t alo workseat eal fater! shouldhave m MANDL09K pogram out onthe street voon (oce I get he new cgx.lion 3 updte). Theimages ar breaktaking o the M/1! Iam sur Paulther will e intersted!See ya Bert P.S. Is Bret W. still in S.? I'vebeen tying toget hol of hm but he doesn't anwerSee ya again! Brt The1 Reply. #: 15746 S3/Language l-92 09:03:8 Sb: #1572-#CGFX. Fm: Mark Gri07,41 Tot chneidr 7024,427 () Bert, Yeah, Bret is still around, but he a prety lowprofilethes days. don't knowwhat hs phon numbe is, ut he oes po in m timeto tim. Good to heouhave somn coolfor th MM/1 Can't wat tit. Mark Ther 1 Repy. #: 15789 S3/Lnguages 05-Ju 16:8:26 Sb: #15746-CGF.L Fm: Scneider7024,427 Toar Griffth 7600,41 () I got ahold of him! He s still here ieU.S. andhas a sailig busines! As soon a I get he newCGFX. libral have my ANDEL09K eady for Pal. I have run theimage from stubiver Ibuilt o testit out o makeit a totally uiendl progam, I eed th new CGibrary. See ya! Bert Seder #: 15741 S12OS9/6800SK) 02Jul-92 02:1145 Sb: #C_Quesion Fm: LARRYOLSON 7227,347 To: all C guru ... Would someone please poit out thee with th following supposedly smpleC progrm. ------------------------------------------ #include main() { int x; char *a[5]; for (x = 0; x <= 5;++x) getsa[x]); for (x = 0; <= 5; +x) print("%s\[x]); exit(0); } -------------------------------------------- This is n example out of the book Going From Basic To C. It is supposed to get 5 characters from the keyboard and then print them, but all I get from it is a crashed machine. So far the other examples that I have tried, have worked, but for some reason unknown to me this one doesn't work. What simple thing am I overlooking ???? There are 2 Replies. #: 15742 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 02-Jul-92 06:58:37 Sb: #15741-#C_Question Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 (X) Larry - Your problem are the lines: char *a[5]; .... AND gets(a[x]); If that's the way the book reads, you should shoot the author! In the statement: char *a[5] You're stating that 'a' is an array of pointers with 5 elements. These pointers point at SOMETHING of type 'char' - but WHAT? You haven't allocated any space for them to point at, nor have you initialized the pointers to point AT anything. There's no magic in C.. you have to do all the dirtywork yourself (grin). This problem doesn't rear its ugly head until: gets(a[x]); Which says: get a string [terminated by a return] from the keyboard (STDIN), and stuff it in the location pointed to by the pointer I'm giving you.... Well, we already know that the pointer is crap, and we have no idea what it points to, AND whatever it DOES point to will be clobbered. This program could be made to work by changing the declaration of 'a' to: char a[5][256], which states that 'a' is an array of 5 arrays of 256 characters. This pre-allocates space to put the strings in, and also implicitly supplies pointers to the 0th character of each 256 character array when you call it a[0], a[1], etc. (in C, an array NAME by itself is the same as the pointer to the 1st [0th] element of the array... i.e. 'a' is the same as &a[0], and a[4] is the same a[4][0]. Goo luk! Pete Theres1 Repy. #: 15S12/S9/6800 (OS) 03-ul-92 01:1249 S1542-#C_uestio Fm: LARRY ON 72227,3 To: Pete Lyal 7670,4230 X) Pete, Sounds like I beter thrat book awy, or at lest pu it awy until I kno somethng abot C andn spo mistaes likethat. e was using that routine toshow hthe follngBasic outine ionvrted to C. 10 DIM5) 20 FOR x=0 TO 3 INPUT a$() 40 T x 50 FOR x=0 TO 6RIT a$(x 70 NEXT x 80 EN Thanks Pete, Ill seewhat oher truble can get ito Larry er is 1 Rply. #: 15765 S12OS9/6800 (OS) 03-Jul92 1326:24 #1556-#C_uestio Fm: Pete Lyll 7673,4230 To: LARRY OLSON 72227,34) The problem her is tht Basicdoes atomati (dc)g alloationa well as othvariables).You'reright ... oss th book Thatept ws at such lemntary lvel that tis guound to hose ouup at the moe complex levl. *ABSOLUTE BEST* book I have eer seenhe C eophte (andthe oe thatok the ie forme afer buing ore than half dozen othes) was "Therimr PluThee Grou. Eading, ots ofexamplend a god sense of hmor aswelll wort the 25 r soIW, the local ollege uses it their C txtbook There is Repl. #: 15712/6800 (OSK) 04-Jul-9 03:22:1 Sb: #15765-C_Qion Fm: LARRY OLSON 7227,3467 To: Pete Lyal 76703,423 (X) Pete Thanks forthe tip onthe book(C Primer Pus), I'll pck it up.I've gota dozenC books hee but none farry #: 15752 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 02-Jul-92 23:57:55 Sb: #15741-#C_Question Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 (X) Larry - I'd have never come up with as elegant and simple a solution as Pete, but I thought I'd add some thoughts. I know that you are also a 6809 rma programmer, so another way to help learn C is to look at the compiler output (eg: "cc test.c -ca" which will stop with a "test.a" source listing). For example, the goofed up source they gave (shortened up here) was: main() { int x; char *a[5]; for (x = 0; x <= 5; ++x) gets(a[x]); } Compiled with the -ca option, you get this (#comments are mine): psect test_c,0,0,0,0,0 * main() * { ttl main main: pshs u ldd #_1 lbsr _stkcheck * int x; * char *a[5]; * for (x = 0; x <= 5; ++x) leas -12,s # make room on stack for int_x and 5 pointers (2+5*2) clra clrb std 10,s # x=0 lbra _4 # enter "for" loop * gets(a[x]); _2 ldd 10,s # x aslb # multiply * 2 as index into array ([x]) rola leax 0,s # point to beginning of array leax d,x # now point to a[x] ldd 0,x # pick up a[x] <<< contains pointer to ?? nothing! pshs d # push on stack as parameter for gets lbsr gets # call gets function leas 2,s # drop parameter * } _5 ldd 10,s # x = x+1 addd #1 std 10,s _4 ldd 10,s # x cmpd #5 # <= 5 ? lble _2 # yes, loop _3 leas 12,s # else exit puls u,pc _1 equ -82 endsect So it was pretty easy to see that the parameter picked up and passed to the gets function pointed to who-knows-what, yah? (cont'd in reply) There are 3 Replies. #: 15753 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 02-Jul-92 23:58:24 Sb: #15752-C_Question Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) So now we look at Pete's example (very slightly modified): main() { int x; char a[5][200]; for (x = 0; x <= 5; ++x) gets(a[x]); } psect test_c,0,0,0,0,0 * main() * { ttl main main: pshs u ldd #_1 lbsr _stkcheck * int x; * char a[5][200]; * * for (x = 0; x <= 5; ++x) leas -1002,s # make room for int_x and 5*200 one-byte chars clra clrb std 1000,s # x=0 lbra _4 # enter "for" loop * gets(a[x]); _2 ldd 1000,s # x pshs d ldd #200 # size of each array element lbsr ccmult # multiply stack param (x) * array_element_size leax 0,s # point to beginning of array leax d,x # point to a[x][0] pshs x # push parameter for gets lbsr gets # call gets function leas 2,s * } _5 ldd 1000,s # x=x+1 addd #1 std 1000,s _4 ldd 1000,s # etc cmpd #5 lble _2 _3 leas 1002,s puls u,pc _1 equ -1072 endsect Now, even tho we had to guess at the function of ccmult, it was still clear that we were passing the address of an _allocated_ char subarray to the gets function... and not just a pointer to hyperspace. Does this make sense? The other thing that looking at -ca output does is to impress the fact that C is basically an assembly macro language... and that *pointers are just variables being used as extra "index registers". best - kevin #: 15755 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 03-Jul-92 00:24:00 Sb: #15752-#C_Question Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Elegant shmelegant... you spotted it, and in what I'd consider a denser jungle. When are you coming over to C, anyhoo? It'll be C++ time soon.... Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 15760 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 03-Jul-92 07:13:52 Sb: #15755-#C_Question Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Ha! No way would I have come up with allocating a two-dimension array like you did, to make all the rest of his example work. At least, not quickly. That's my problem. I can't quite think in C yet (I can read it better than write it). It's still far easier for me to write utils in Basic09, too. But I admit that I've started converting my window driver to C. Seems that I have no choice for OS-9000... :-) If/when I ever finish, I might know C. I should've started learning in earnest back when you and Carl did. kev There is 1 Reply. #: 15766 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 03-Jul-92 13:32:22 Sb: #15760-C_Question Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Carl predated me by years, and was my mentor and father confessor when I got deep into the quicksand. Best C advice? Assume that the compiler does nothing FOR you... your analysis of C as a macro assembler couldn't be more accurate. The beauty is that the #defines and functions allow you to move into a level of abstraction that is truly close to high level language. It's NEVER too late. Hell - it took me 3-4 years to break the mental block against C (1983-1986). Pete #: 15757 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 03-Jul-92 01:36:03 Sb: #15752-#C_Question Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Keven, That is what I need to start doing, looking at the assembly, and getting familiar with how C compiles these little example routines. Yes, I'm trying to tackle C again, no hard drive yet but I can set up a large ram disk, which makes the compile times lots faster. Its only a problem when the computer crashes, then it is a five minute boot up to load the ram disk back up again. Larry There is 1 Reply. #: 15761 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 03-Jul-92 07:17:45 Sb: #15757-#C_Question Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 (X) Larry, If I'm not sure about what something I've written will do, I almost always compile it to asm source first... a bad mistake will glare out at me and I can avoid the usual crash/reboot C learning cycle :-) I've been after someone to port one of those small C interpreters. Maybe even make it interactive like Basic. Something like that would really cut down on the C learning time for most people, I think. Quicker feedback. kev There is 1 Reply. #: 15777 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 04-Jul-92 03:16:36 Sb: #15761-#C_Question Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Kevin, I'm not real familiar withOSK assembly yet, so the mistakes wouldn't glare out at me like 6809 assembly would. Its just going to take time and work to get the hang of it. While I have you here, I was wondering if there will be an SS.Tone like syscall for K-Windows. Digital recording and playing is great but I would think that sometimes you would want to have the computer generate some sound. Larry There is 1 Reply. #: 15779 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 04-Jul-92 03:34:09 Sb: #15777-#C_Question Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 (X) Larry, Oh. Oh! I don't know why I assumed you were compiling on the 6809 instead of under OSK. No SS.Tone thingie yet, altho I've done parts of it. A lot of features are being worked on in parallel. Either because they're inter-related, or simply because they're too boring to do all at once . There is 1 Reply. #: 15784 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 04-Jul-92 14:50:25 Sb: #15779-C_Question Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Kevin, Will it be just like SS.Tone, or will it have more capability ? The reason I ask,thinking of porting this sound editor that I have been working on. Larry #: 15748 S14/misc/info/Soapbox 02-Jul-92 09:21:26 Sb: CoCo System For Sale Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: All Attention: CoCo3 System For Sale! Includes: CoCo3 128K FD502 Controller w/ 1 Disk Drive CM-8 RGB Monitor DMP-130 Printer Deskmate 3 2 Game cartridges 2 joysticks They want $300 for whole system package. They do not want to break up the system. The system is practically new, it was used very sparingly. If you're interested leave me an E-Mail message and I'll give you their phone numbers. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _ _ _____ _ _// ' ) / // __/ _ _ ( / _ __. // (_/\__ Also, why not have the initial mode as an option (maybe set in >/dd/sys/keyboard.env). >This file could also have other options in it (like having the Fkeys generate >values, instead of being screen selectors). How about using the key (this key is not used, is it?) to forward cycle the windows and maybe - or - to go backwards. Keith CIS:70541,1413 INTERNET:keith@khmarch.bowlgreen.oh.us There is 1 Reply. #: 15774 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 04-Jul-92 00:07:19 Sb: #15764-reply to mess # 15716 Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Keith H. March 70541,1413 (X) Keith - of course SCROLL LOCK turns on/off its light (unless CTRL is down), so to use it for flipping screens a person would want to cover up the light :) I keep thinking that one key should wake up a background "master" process which could have a menu for forking new shell windows, etc. Gotta play with the idea some tho. I go along with Bob and your idea of makingn the keybd programmable... just not sure if it'll be in v42 ;) thx! - kev #: 15768 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 03-Jul-92 14:56:22 Sb: C code on the MM/1 Fm: Keith H. March 70541,1413 To: All C guru needed... Could someone show me how to take this code (RICK ADAMS UUCP Ver.AK. The following c from dscriptc #include #inc ern int port extern car phon[80ern int ebuglv; exten inthook struct sgbuf ot; KPPED COE> case k': /* See pae B-12 in 8K appedixes anual*/ stat(0, prt, &opt); pt.sgbaud =00; /*50 baud setstt(0, prt, &ot); write (ort, \0", 1; /* Switch o org. bau rate * pt.sg_aud = 0; /* 400 ba setstat(0 port, &op f (deuglvl>= 2) pritf(" 2) pintf""); brea; MORE CODEGOES HEE )-------------------------- |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| pin# 1 x <---- first four pins (two on each side) Also, I'd bet that as long as you don't have any other devices addressed (by using a Y-cable or some sort of mini-bus in the J&M controller, for instance) at the location where MPI's slot select byte is located, then the slot select coding in the SW routines shouldn't bother anything. On the other hand, if it does cause anomalous problems, then all you should have to do is NOP the slot select coding in the routines. In SWCLOCK2, for instance, the code starts at $01EB and looks like this: Addr 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F 0 2 4 6 8 A C E ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---------------- 0100 E034 30AE .... .... ** **** **** 01E0 3401 1A50 B6FF 7FD6 9034 0686 11B7 FF7F 4..P6..V.4...7.. 01F0 C4FC F7FF 9096 9185 0126 0CF6 FFA7 3406 D|w....F.&.v.'4. If worse comes to worse, you could change the 8611B7FF7F to 1212121212, but according to the guy that I talked to, you shouldn't have to resort to this. The coding for selecting the MPI slot is exactly the same in all the various SW routines (SWCLOCKn, GETCLKn, SWSETn), it's just in different places. Lee There is 1 Reply. #: 15822 S1/General Interest 08-Jul-92 19:00:33 Sb: #15821-Smartwatch Fm: randy pischke 75460,205 To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X) Lee- Thanks for the information. It really helps me to understand how things work. You are correct that the 24 pin ROM need to have the top four pins of the 28 pin socket left open. I have a 28 pin ROM that was modified to work in a 24 pin socket and it has the top 4 pins bent up and tied together. Randy. #: 15815 S1/General Interest 08-Jul-92 05:11:10 Sb: Delphi poll results Fm: Ken Flanagan 75460,2514 To: Carl Kreider Carl, I have uploaded the results of the poll from Delphi. They are in area 14. The file is called CARL.TXT. #: 15825 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 08-Jul-92 20:33:27 Sb: #15503-wind38 ?? Fm: BRUCE MOORE 70075,143 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Just got preliminary version of kwindows today. Have lots of questions since no docs but the most important is : How (or where) do I patch the keyboard driver to make the arrow keys work? I want to use them for dynastar and a basic program we use to manage our printshop I want them to output the same codes as the coco keyboard 8, 9, 10, and 12 I beleive. I DO have the program running ! #: 15832 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 08-Jul-92 22:42:54 Sb: #Shell+ Fm: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 To: All OK, I just came across a strange problem. After lazily putting it off for years, I finally patched Shell+ 2.1 to turn on wildcards. Worked fine, except when I went to use a memory script that I have been using for many months. The script reads like this: chd /r0 prompt Directory? var.2 prompt File (no extension)? var.0 tmode .1 -echo prompt Keyword? var.1 display d a tmode .1 echo crypt %2/%0.cr %1 rename crypt.out %0 It works fine with wildcards OFF, but with wildcards ON the first and third prompts do not display (the second one does). Otherwise it seems to work fine. I turned wildcards back OFF again and, once more, the script works fine. What? This does not make much sense. In case it matters, I don't use the provided modpatch script to make change, but simply toggle the value of 04DC in Shell between 26 and 27 hex. Any suggestions? There is 1 Reply. #: 15833 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 08-Jul-92 22:49:13 Sb: #15832-#Shell+ Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 (X) Ian - Could it be the question marks??????????? Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 15834 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 08-Jul-92 23:08:11 Sb: #15833-#Shell+ Fm: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete, I was just coming back on to mention that. What the devil is wrong with using the question marks at that point? Why does the effect differ? On the second prompt, I get File (no extension)m t which seems odd. I realize that the ?'s are single character wildcards, but can't see why they have the effect that they do. Ian There are 2 Replies. #: 15837 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 09-Jul-92 06:39:42 Sb: #15834-Shell+ Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 To: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 (X) Ian, It is the question marks. I remember this problem from many years ago, and I think I finally gave up and removed the question marks from things like this. Its been so long I can't remember if 2.1 with that patch allowed for temporarily disabling the wild cards (something like a special character at the beginning of the line). I do remember that the results were sometimes not what was expected, like the example you gave. Bill #: 15840 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 09-Jul-92 08:46:42 Sb: #15834-Shell+ Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 (X) Well, I can't speak for SHELL+, but the unix shell would see that as a command to run the prompt command with an argument of any filename that matches the template 'Directory?' or whatever... Try enclosing the question + text in quotes (single/double) and see what happens. Pete #: 15861 S1/General Interest 11-Jul-92 02:49:42 Sb: #C Books Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete, I picked up that book yesterday, and from the looks of it so far I will be spending alot less time on here asking dumb questions. This one is very informative and easy to follow. I saw your mention of the book C The Complete Reference, which was funny because I had seen that book and picked it up also. The names have changed a little, C Primer Plus is now New C Primer Plus and the other one is C The Complete Reference Second Edition. For others that might be interested: The Waite Group's New C Primer Plus ISBN 0-672-22687-1 by Mitchell Waite and Stephen Prata $29.95 U.S. / $37.95 CAN. published by SAMS copyright 1990 This edition covers ANSI C, UNIX, Microsoft C and Turbo C C The Complete Reference Second Edition ISBN 0-07-881538-X by Herbert Schildt $28.95 published by Osborn,McGraw-Hill copyright 1987, 1990 This edition covers C++ and ANSI C Thanks again for the tip on the book. Larry There is 1 Reply. #: 15863 S1/General Interest 11-Jul-92 08:20:00 Sb: #15861-#C Books Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 (X) Thanks for the update on the book titles Larry. It looks like you'll be spending your weekend reading! Enjoy them - they're both excellent. Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 15864 S1/General Interest 11-Jul-92 10:20:05 Sb: #15863-C Books Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete, Yes, reading and tyeing . I thought about ordering the disks that are available for both books, but then entering all these examples by hand I think will help it stick. Larry #: 15866 S15/Hot Topics 11-Jul-92 21:13:14 Sb: #OS9 Underground Fm: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 To: ALL I FINALLY had the opportunity to watch a video of the Atlanta CoCoFest last April. I thoroughly enjoyed the meeting that Frank, Ed and Paul had. The person who taped the meeting of 'the big three' also taped the meeting that Kevin Darling had. Kevin said one thing there in the meeting room, and that is the purpose of this message. He was talking in reference to new magazines that come onto the marketplace from time to time. He said (and I quote) "If you wait 3-6(-12) months to subscribe to the new magazines, then YOU'VE KILLED THE MAGAZINE". Well, we've got a new kid on the block - the OS9 Underground, that is just starting to get off wobbly feet, and really produce some quality stuff. Are we gonna let it die by not subscribing?? It's up to each of us not to let this happen to this magazine. It's only $18 a year, so it's no back breaker on the price end. Call 818:894-0012 to order your free copy of the magazine. If you like it, then place your order. jim There is 1 Reply. #: 15881 S15/Hot Topics 12-Jul-92 21:15:10 Sb: #15866-OS9 Underground Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 To: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 (X) Jim, I did get a free copy already, and was impressed. You're right, we all need to subscribe, and NOW! I'll be sending my order out first thing next week. Thanks for the reminder. Bill #: 15873 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 12-Jul-92 14:42:22 Sb: tc70 Kwindows Fm: BRUCE MOORE 70075,143 To: Kevin Darling I have patched the keydrv to make the arrow keys work on my prelim ver of tc70 kwindows. I have also succesfully added fonts via the mm1 35 fonts file from delphi. Even the gifshow file viewer works but.... colors are all wrong. The colors for the color command supplied are wrong.. looks like green and red are interchanged. also f9 and f10 circle thru the windows but in the same direction. Would be nice if the went forward, other backward. Had a little trouble getting kwindows to work with dynastar but the answer came from KSCALES: check tmode and see that pag=26. I then realized my screens have 26 lines! Who nice. How would the gifshow file and the color command colors be fixed? looking forward to the new enhanced kwindows for tc70! #: 15878 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 12-Jul-92 18:10:05 Sb: #printf problem Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: all Has anyone else noticed a problem with the printf() family? The following code fragement works fine by itself, but in a large program it doesn't: switch (fmt){ ..... case 'H': sprintf(buff,"%X",value); break; case 'h': sprintf(buff,"%x",value); break; .... The entire format loop works fine--expect when the %X format is used. In this case a single 'x' is printed. However, %x, does work alright. I've put a bunch of debug code (printf()s) in the real program and the printf() react the same way. For some reason, uppercase hex doesn't work. However, when I just extract the code out and stick it in a test program, all works alright. I've really pulled my hair on this one--even checked the crc while the program is running. No luck. I've cobbled a work-around for now by using %x and then converting the string to uppercase if fmt=='H'. Either there is a bug in sprintf(), or my program is cobblering something. Any ideas? There is 1 Reply. #: 15886 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 13-Jul-92 08:49:05 Sb: #15878-#printf problem Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) Bob, Why not try reversing the two sprintf lines...i.e., do the lower case 'h' first and then the uppercase. If there is a pointer clobbering something, it should make the 'x' statement not work then. This is what I expect is the problem (a wild pointer). Mark There is 1 Reply. #: 15897 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 13-Jul-92 23:35:17 Sb: #15886-printf problem Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X) Thanks Mark. I already tried the obvious stuff like moving code around. No help. I even used debug to monitor things and discovered that the call to sprint() is being set up properly. Even checked to verify that the register pointing to the format specifier (D1) actually pointed to the correct data. It did. I think that a wild pointer might be the problem, but can't figure out things. If the pointer is corrupting the program (including sprintf()) then the crc of the program should change. It doesn't. So, I suppose it could be mucking up a static buffer used by sprintf() but that is pretty hard to track down... Be nice to have source for the MW library. Oh well, I'll probably find another nasty bug and trace this to it! For others reading--any suggestions are appreciated! #: 15879 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 12-Jul-92 18:10:16 Sb: #SCF Buffer size Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: all Could someone refresh my tired gray cells? How de? one change the input & output buffer sizes for the serial ports on the mm/1? I thought I'd do it quickly (of course this was at 3am) via xmode. But I don't believe the size is contained in the descriptor. Annoying thing is that there have been some messages fly by in the past--and I choose to ignore them... Thanks. There is 1 Reply. #: 15883 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 12-Jul-92 21:37:01 Sb: #15879-#SCF Buffer size Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) You have to use the moded utility (I keep forgetting its there!) and make sure that you have the right moded.fields file in /DD/SYS. This only works on files, though. Somebody needs to hack on xmode to do this real time....hint...hint :-) Bill There is 1 Reply. #: 15896 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 13-Jul-92 23:35:06 Sb: #15883-SCF Buffer size Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X) Bill, I tried moded and thought that I had the correct file. Of course, I didn't. Works fine now that I have the right file! Thanks. (So, when are you going to pos the new xmode .) #: 15880 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 12-Jul-92 19:51:12 Sb: #pcdos Fm: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274 To: bob santy I downloaded a os9 file to my pc because I have only one modem I thought i could transfer it to coco with your transfer program called pcdos. I forgot it was in binary instead of ascii, and it also was an "arc" file. It won't unarc on an os9 disk. Could I hook a null modem cable between the bit banger of the coco and the com2 port of my pc and transfer the file? I have a os9 terminal program and also one for the pc? What pins on the two computers would I use? I am fairly adept at making things for the coco with a soldering iron! Would this work? I believe the file as it sits in my pc harddrive is an exact copy of the one here that I downloaded I evidently am loosing data with the "pcdos" program because it's binary instead of ascii text. Thanks, Denise There is 1 Reply. #: 15882 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 12-Jul-92 21:36:45 Sb: #15880-pcdos Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 To: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274 Denise, For binary files, make sure to use the -raw option of pcdos, otherwise pcdos assumes its an ascii file. Check out the file SERIAL.TXT for some good explanations and examples of hooking up different computers and equipment to the various serial ports of the CoCo. I can't remember which library its in, but try this command in any of the libraries: bro all serial.txt Bill #: 15887 S1/General Interest 13-Jul-92 11:31:51 Sb: #14865-New AR Developments Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: Carl Kreider 71076,76 These questions, as posed in the Delphi poll, on AR's enhancements received several replies. However, not all persons interested AR enhancements subscribe to the Delphi services. This is a response from a local BBS users here in the Dallas, Tx area. The comments are his not mine. Lee ----------------------------------------------------- WHAT SHOULD THE DEFAULT COMPRESSION BE? Carl Kreider is thinking of updating AR. He would like to know what the users want for the default compression though. Do you want the default to remain at 11 bits so that it remaini compatible with OS-9 Level I, or do you feel the default compression should be 12 bit so that binary files can be compressed. I believe he is planning on adding the 12 bit code, but wants to know what you want the default compression toggle to do. Also, if you leave a comment, please mention whether you would like the attributes saved with the file, and any other features you would like added, changed, or removed. The results will be given to Carl on CIS. 10-Jul-92 05:00pm Subject: Re: AR Developments... My comments to Mr. Krieder: I like the unsanctioned version of AR1.5b. It's flawless (so far). I like the default to 12 bits, but I wouldn't be bothered by the 11 bit default if that were the way it would go. Automatically sensing if a compression was good or not (i.e. compress all files, check to see if the result was larger, if so: rewrite) is 100% necessary in my opinion. I have compressed MANY MANY binaries using AR1.5b with very few not compressing. And even so, the ones that didn't compress well wene "stored" without a noticably lengthy loss in time. Time during compression does not matter half as much as time during extraction anyway! ATTRIBUTES ARE 100% necessary!!!! Don't even think about not puating it in...(please...) Daniel Hauck #: 15888 S1/General Interest 13-Jul-92 14:30:21 Sb: Programmer Wanted Fm: Miguel Payet 70702,731 To: all A company in Peru is looking for a programmer to accomplish the following job: 1. Conversion of OS-9 propietary format graphic files to industry-standard PCX format. 2. Transfer of converted files from OS-9 CAD system to Novell NetWare file server 3. Archiving and deletion of unneeded CAD files. 4. Scheduling and automatic operations of the above after normal business hours. If you are interested, please respond by email to 70702,731 for more information. Regards, Miguel #: 15895 S15/Hot Topics 13-Jul-92 23:00:05 Sb: #6309??? Fm: DOUG 72667,1433 To: all Hey all you gurus... I've been off the circuit for a while. What's with this 6309? Data Sheets available? Supply sources??? Tell me more.... Doug 72667,1433 There is 1 Reply. #: 15902 S15/Hot Topics 14-Jul-92 00:16:21 Sb: #15895-6309??? Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 To: DOUG 72667,1433 Doug, Check out 6309.TXT in LIB 1, which explains what the 6309 is all about. There are some other related files, try the following command in any of the data libraries: bro all /key:6309 Bill #: 15903 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 14-Jul-92 00:32:49 Sb: Atari? Windows? Fm: Mark Sours 70372,1370 To: Kevin Darling Kevin, Are you going to port your windows routines to the Atari? If so when can we expect it? Last I read you were, has that changed.. I got off the mainframes and onto sun sparcs and I hate to come home to the windowless atari... Later #: 15904 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 14-Jul-92 02:48:03 Sb: #playm on MM/1 Fm: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166 To: all Hi all... Can I use playm on my MM/1 with I/O board and 1 Meg? I've tried, but get only garbage sound or no sound at all. I've seen the file with the modifications, but I'm real hesitant about cutting anything on the board except as a last resort. It's much easier to remove it than to put it back ya know... There is 1 Reply. #: 15910 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 15-Jul-92 01:22:56 Sb: #15904-playm on MM/1 Fm: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166 To: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166 (X) Hi all... Never mind the message I'm replying to. After buying 2 more megs of memory and installing it, everything works as advertised. Tomorrow night I'll have a Fujitsu 105 Meg hard drive up and running - can't wait. Bought a Logitech Mouseman - works fine (it's MicroSoft compatible, so use the .ms drivers). My MM/1 is finally starting to act like a real computer! Press !>