PROTOCOL: ALT COMPRESSION: NONE CONNECT 2400/ARQ CBBS(R) 4.0.3b 03/16/93 00:11:31 Y/N: want CBBS "1st time user" info?^U ?^U ?^U ?n;ward;christensen;odraw;;fullc;piss Logging name to disk... You are caller 229192; next msg =46151; 370 active msgs. Prev. call 03/08/93 @ 01:53, next msg was 46129 Recording logon for next time. Use FULL? to check assignments ?^U ?xxxxx "Mine" command checking for msgs TO you, ^K to ab >Function:?dir c:log;dir c:killed;dir summary;type-20 log,ward c;or;*;short LOG. 6 KILLED. 16 SUMMARY. 26 type-30 log,ward c;or;*;short 03/11/93,20:44:52,229142,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,, E#46137, E#46138, E#46139, E#46140, E#46141,23 ]WARD CHRISTENSEN, 03/11/93,21:39:14,229143,2,JERRY SCHNEIDER,,3 >Function:?type-50 log,ward c;or;*;short 03/08/93,01:59:38,229103,X,WARD CHRISTENSEN,, E#46130, E#46131,9 ]Log renamed to L9303 WARD CHRISTENSEN, 03/08/93,03:25:49,229104,2,ALEX ZELL,, 03/08/93,04:33:44,229105,2,JERRY OLSEN,,74 03/08/93,11:21:53,229106,2,ALEX ZELL,, 03/08/93,12:36:41,229107,2,DENNIS STAHL,,4 03/08/93,12:56:25,229108,2,DAVID BOERSEMA,Crete,3 03/08/93,15:01:35,229109,2,MICHAEL SHARTIAG,,9 03/08/93,21:06:18,229110,2,MURRAY ARNOW,,2 03/08/93,22:31:18,229111,2,DAVE BECKELMAN,, 03/09/93,06:37:50,229112,2,MICHAEL CAIN,,9 ]How can I read all new messages? I go to read mode but I have to enter the whole message number for each message. I tried NEXT but it just gave me the same message all the time. Should I read the help better? MICHAEL CAIN, 03/09/93,09:24:26,229113,2,JERRY HASLETT,, E#46132, 03/09/93,11:13:32,229114,2,BRYANT HO,CHICAGO,9 03/09/93,11:32:44,229115,2,DENNIS STAHL,,1 03/09/93,14:40:47,229116,2,ANDY SHAPIRO,,1 03/09/93,15:21:52,229117,2,BILL ECKERT,Chicago/ IL,6 03/09/93,16:07:27,229118,2,LARRY GLASSMAN,,2 03/09/93,17:44:47,229119,2,BERNIE KRATZ,WILKES-BARRE/PA,3 03/09/93,20:06:09,229120,2,JERRY HASLETT,,1 03/09/93,22:12:48,229121,2,JERRY HASLETT,,3 03/10/93,10:47:44,229122,2,LARRY GLASSMAN,,4 03/10/93,15:32:48,229123,2,ALEX ZELL,, >Help: MESSAGES, E#46133, 03/10/93,16:13:23,229124,2,JIM POLOUS,,5 03/10/93,16:48:28,229125,2,JERRY HASLETT,,1 03/10/93,17:47:49,229126,2,JERRY HASLETT,,1 03/10/93,18:15:07,229127,2,JOHN RIKER,,8 ]where are the programs? i thought this was a bulletin board. i am very disapointed. JOHN RIKER, 03/10/93,23:36:10,229128,2,BILL MATTSON,,0 03/10/93,23:39:59,229129,2,MICHAEL SHARTIAG,,2 03/11/93,00:12:55,229130,2,CYRUS PATEL,,9 03/11/93,09:17:20,229131,2,TOM DIBLASI,Brooklyn/NewYork,7 03/11/93,09:28:10,229132,2,BILL PRECHT,,6 03/11/93,09:48:40,229133,2,JERRY SCHNEIDER,Burke/ VA, E#46134,6 03/11/93,10:34:35,229134,2,JERRY SCHNEIDER,, E#46135,2 03/11/93,10:54:44,229135,2,ALEX ZELL,, 03/11/93,12:01:07,229136,2,ALEX ZELL,, 03/11/93,12:07:19,229137,2,ALEX ZELL,, E#46136, 03/11/93,13:08:54,229138,2,PETE JONES,,1 03/11/93,14:35:40,229139,2,KEN STOX,,2 03/11/93,15:17:43,229140,2,JEFF JASCOR,Chicago/ Ill.,2 03/11/93,19:37:52,229141,2,GARY ELFRING,,4 03/11/93,20:44:52,229142,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,, E#46137, E#46138, E#46139, E#46140, E#46141,23 ]WARD CHRISTENSEN, 03/11/93,21:39:14,229143,2,JERRY SCHNEIDER,,3 03/11/93,22:09:09,229144,2,BERNARD GOLDLUST,,2 03/11/93,23:44:55,229145,2,BILL MATTSON,,2 03/12/93,08:28:40,229146,2,JIM DOYLE,,1 03/12/93,11:30:08,229147,2,JUDITH MARKOWITZ,chicago/ IL,2 03/12/93,12:04:11,229148,2,DONNIE STUHLMAN,, E#46142,8 03/12/93,12:52:05,229149,2,FRED KUNST,ill,2 03/12/93,15:57:57,229150,2,LARRY GLASSMAN,,2 03/12/93,17:11:04,229151,2,ALEX ZELL,,7 ]Heh, sometimes I think you don't get bitchy enough about some of the dumb comments. I borrowed your Toshiba for my son Pete to take to Moscow with him. I put a MS-DOS 5.0 in with it. I also have a legal DR-DOS, which was bundled with my wife's Bondwell 200. If your Toshiba had a HardDrive I doubt Randy would ever get it back. heh heh Are you calling from the CFP93 in California? Your story about designing your own card for an 8" disk drive went over well. I have spies everywhere. ALEX ZELL, 03/12/93,17:30:50,229152,2,MICHAEL CAIN,, E#46143, E#46144,25 03/12/93,20:11:41,229153,2,DAVID HAGEN,,3 03/12/93,20:16:19,229154,2,DAVID HAGEN,,1 03/12/93,20:56:07,229155,2,FRED PHILLIPS,CHICAGO/ IL,2 03/13/93,03:03:57,229156,2,ERIC BOHLMAN,, 03/13/93,03:07:24,229157,2,ERIC BOHLMAN,,7 03/13/93,08:11:57,229158,2,ALEX ZELL,, 03/13/93,08:36:27,229159,2,CAMPESINO DIANNAO,washington\dc,7 03/13/93,11:35:19,229160,2,BENJAMIN COHEN,, E#46145, E#46146,12 03/13/93,11:48:26,229161,2,MURRAY ARNOW,, E#46147,7 03/13/93,12:01:31,229162,2,JERRY HASLETT,, E#46148,12 03/13/93,13:12:08,229163,2,ANDY SHAPIRO,, E#46149,10 03/13/93,13:29:53,229164,2,TONY ANTONUCCI,, E#46150,32 03/13/93,15:43:25,229165,2,MICHAEL CAIN,,6 03/13/93,17:34:05,229166,2,RAMIN ALMASSIAN,,2 03/13/93,23:04:50,229167,2,MURRAY ARNOW,,2 03/14/93,00:54:22,229168,2,BILL MATTSON,,1 03/14/93,02:20:46,229169,2,ALEX ZELL,, 03/14/93,02:25:48,229170,2,ALEX ZELL,, 03/14/93,11:41:55,229171,2,ALEX ZELL,, 03/14/93,12:51:42,229172,2,MARTY GISTER,Racine/ WI,11 03/14/93,13:01:17,229173,2,TOM JOSEPH,Wheaton/ IL,12 03/14/93,13:25:53,229174,2,BILL PETERSON,Chicago/ IL, >Help: A,6 03/14/93,16:01:49,229175,2,GAVENRAJ SODHI,, 03/14/93,16:51:47,229176,2,ROBERT FLETCHER,chicago/il.,4 03/14/93,17:21:17,229177,2,LAINE JOHNSON,Northbrook,6 03/14/93,20:32:26,229178,2,DAVID JOHNSON,,13 03/14/93,21:58:33,229179,2,DON PIVEN,,6 03/14/93,23:42:43,229180,2,BILL MATTSON,,1 03/15/93,01:33:19,229181,2,JOHN ZWIERZYNA,,22 03/15/93,12:38:43,229182,2,DAVID BRIGGS,Woodridge/ IL, 03/15/93,13:08:06,229183,2,ANDY SHAPIRO,,1 03/15/93,13:50:55,229184,2,LARRY GLASSMAN,,1 03/15/93,19:32:33,229185,2,ED FOSTER,,5 03/15/93,19:45:14,229186,2,ED FOSTER,,1 03/15/93,20:35:20,229187,2,TERRANCE JACKSON,chicago,4 ]TERRANCE JACKSON, 03/15/93,21:00:25,229188,2,MURRAY ARNOW,,0 03/15/93,21:24:18,229189,2,WALTER SIMMS,, 03/15/93,21:32:41,229190,2,WALTER SIMMS,, 03/15/93,22:17:27,229191,2,PETER YOUNG,CHICAGO/IL, >Help: GIF, >Help: HE, >Help: [, >Help: +++0, 03/16/93,00:11:41,229192,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,, 46129 03/08/93 WARD CHRISTENSEN => ROY LIPSCOMB: "R/FLASH: DAMAGE NOT FROM VIRUS" 46130 03/08/93 WARD CHRISTENSEN => ALEX ZELL: "REPLYING" 46131 03/08/93 WARD CHRISTENSEN => ALL: "ARCHIVE PYTHON" 46132X 03/09/93 JERRY HASLETT => OD: "TOSHIBA T1100PLUS.HELP" 46133 03/10/93 ALEX ZELL => MICHAEL CAIN: "READING MESSAGES" 46134 03/11/93 JERRY SCHNEIDER => WARD CHRISTENSEN: "CBBS HISTORY" 46135 03/11/93 JERRY SCHNEIDER => WARD CHRISTENSEN: "MORE QUESTIONS" 46136 03/11/93 ALEX ZELL => ALL: "CBBS" 46137 03/11/93 WARD CHRISTENSEN => JERRY HASLETT: "R/TOSHIBA T1100PLUS.HELP" 46138 03/11/93 WARD CHRISTENSEN => JERRY SCHNEIDER: "R/CBBS HISTORY" 46139 03/11/93 WARD CHRISTENSEN => JERRY SCHNEIDER: "R/MORE QUESTIONS" 46140 03/11/93 WARD CHRISTENSEN => JOHN RIKER: "BBS" 46141 03/11/93 WARD CHRISTENSEN => MICHAEL CAIN: "NEW MESSAGES" 46142 03/12/93 DONNIE STUHLMAN => ALL: "SIMMS FOR SALE" 46143 03/12/93 MICHAEL CAIN => ALEX ZELL: "R/READING MESSAGES" 46144 03/12/93 MICHAEL CAIN => WARD CHRISTENSEN: "R/NEW MESSAGES" 46145X 03/13/93 BENJAMIN COHEN => ALEX ZELL: "R/CBBS" 46146 03/13/93 BENJAMIN COHEN => ALEX ZELL: "BULLETINS" 46147 03/13/93 MURRAY ARNOW => ALL: "VOICE MAIL" 46148 03/13/93 JERRY HASLETT => WARD CHRISTENSEN: "R/TOSHIBA T1100PLUS.HELP" 46149 03/13/93 ANDY SHAPIRO => WARD: "BBS" 46150 03/13/93 TONY ANTONUCCI => ROY LIPSCOMB: "PHOTOS" - End of summary - Retrieving flagged msgs: C skips, K aborts. Msg 46129 is 11 line(s) on 03/08/93 from WARD CHRISTENSEN to ROY LIPSCOMB re: R/FLASH: DAMAGE NOT FROM VIRUS Gee, I just blew the last 4 days trying to get a tape drive going, perhaps I should blame THAT on Viri! Sadly, it was just the Scsi Blues, i.e. you can't just pick your controller, and your devices, and get 'em to work together. Examples: Archive tape drive will work with Sytos, but only with ASPI driver. Corel SCSI (software) complained that the ROM on my controller was too old. Another controller just was flakey. A third finally did it, (Adaptec) but only after removing the hard disk scsi controller and putting everything on one. (Well, the CD rom isn't working yet, haven't tried). Let me check my progress.hah, what timing, backup 100% complete, rewinding to do the verify. Here's hoping! Msg 46130 is 05 line(s) on 03/08/93 from WARD CHRISTENSEN to ALEX ZELL re: REPLYING Oh, I see, but I think since there IS a reply command on CBBS, it is not all that hard to point to the wrong msg when replying - I see it SO often on compuserve (also without private msgs) that I have a "canned message" that basically says "you replied to ME not to the person asking the question". Msg 46131 is 06 line(s) on 03/08/93 from WARD CHRISTENSEN to ALL re: ARCHIVE PYTHON Well, finally got my Archive Python (DAT) drive working. Turned out to not like Ultrastor or IN-2000 SCSI controllers - had to be an Adaptec. Runs about 10M/Minute. Each $13 tape holds 1.3G! THAT is the best price performer I've seen - but the DRIVE is still in the $1K arena. (Someone said "you can buy a while SYSTEM for that $) but if I did, it STILL would be a bear to back up!) heh. No msg 46132 Msg 46133 is 05 line(s) on 03/10/93 from ALEX ZELL to MICHAEL CAIN re: READING MESSAGES In a note you ask how to read new messages and if you should read "help" better. Yes. Just do "help;read" or even "h;read" (no parens, of course) and it will all be explained. [If you forget to put the <;> between the words "help" and "read" CBBS will do it for you.] The method I use is simply "qr;*" and the new messages show up. Msg 46134 is 30 line(s) on 03/11/93 from JERRY SCHNEIDER to WARD CHRISTENSEN re: CBBS HISTORY Ward: I have several questions to ask you about the history of CBBS/Chicago for a computer history project that I am working on: 1. When did the system actually go on-line? Do you know the exact date in February 1978? 2. What system was it running on? Type of computer and configuration? 3. The BBS software you designed, what was its name? Was both it and the system itself called CBBS? 4. Did you actually put CBBS into the public domain and make it available to others? 5. How did you and Randy Suess get involved in computers? Were both of you "electronics freaks" or "amateur radio buffs" first or did you start with computers? If so, in what way? 6. In what city was CBBS first installed? 7. Do you have any photographs or slides (preferably in color) of you and Randy and/or your first system? Or both? Thanks for any assistance you can give. If you would like to talk voice, I can be reached at 703-764-0272 or, if you can provide me with a voice number, I would be happy to contact you directly. Msg 46135 is 11 line(s) on 03/11/93 from JERRY SCHNEIDER to WARD CHRISTENSEN re: MORE QUESTIONS Here are a couple of additional questions that have come to mind: 1. What user group did you and Randy belong to? CACHE? 2. Did MODEM - the CP/M communications program you wrote - come before CBBS or after? Thanks again. By the way, I did get the on-line date (2/16/78) and system info (North Star Horizon) from your bulletins. jerry Msg 46136 is 06 line(s) on 03/11/93 from ALEX ZELL to ALL re: CBBS A caller asks: "Where are your programs? I thought this was a bulletin board. I am very disappointed." Don't people read the brief, but fully explanatory Welcome message and Bulletin upon logging on here? Do people not understand what is meant when the Welcome message says: "CBBS is a MESSAGE-ONLY" system catering to advanced hobbyists. . . .See Bulletin for details." Msg 46137 is 07 line(s) on 03/11/93 from WARD CHRISTENSEN to JERRY HASLETT re: R/TOSHIBA T1100PLUS.HELP I think I can help - I have an 1100+, which I passed along, not sure where it is right now. Can dig it up, I'm sure. I'll check, maybe I even kept a copy of or the original of the DOS. When you call in, leave me an address when you "G" (Good bye) - make is to I can screen print it right to a label, i.e. name on one line, then addr on another, city on the last. I'll send you something, perhaps Saturday if I can dig it up. Msg 46138 is 27 line(s) on 03/11/93 from WARD CHRISTENSEN to JERRY SCHNEIDER re: R/CBBS HISTORY 1. When did it go online? "Early" February - but most people didn't believe I could get it programmed or Randy could get the hardware done from "invention" to "implementation" that quickly, so we settled for Feb 16th as the official "birthday" - one month from the fateful Jan 16 '78 snowstorm that spawned the idea of CBBS 2. What did it run on ? A home-built S-100, probably 64K & 2 floppies 3. Yes, both system and software were called CBBS - Computerized Bulletin Board System. 4. Did I put CBBS in the public domain? No. MODEM.ASM which became XMODEM was put in the public domain. I OK'd Randy selling copies of CBBS for $50 (after friends told me I was nuts to only ask $25). 5. I first heard about computers in '74, when I learned of the 8008 microprocessor. I learned that "TTL" electronics was what it connected to, and taught myself TTL, i.e. "digital" electronics in the summer of '74, so that when I bought an Altair 8080 Kit in '75, I could design and build my own selectric typewriter and floppy disk interface. (the fact that that floppy interface was therefore not compatible with what became the IBM standards years later, was the impetus to write MODEM.ASM that became known as XMODEM) Randy was a "HAM", I wasn't. I don't really know what Randy's electronic background was - he had done computer repair for IBM, and worked for Datapoint at the time, I think. 6. CBBS was installed in Chicago. I suggested it be at my house, since I had a phone line for the computer club answering machine, butr Randy suggested it be in Chicago instead so got a line for it. 7. Photographs? No, not that I'm aware of. It was on the cover of a Trib magazine "weekender" or something, I think. Msg 46139 is 13 line(s) on 03/11/93 from WARD CHRISTENSEN to JERRY SCHNEIDER re: R/MORE QUESTIONS Randy and I were members of CACHE, yes, but when I suggested we do something related to CACHE, Randy said that that would be the old problem of being worked on "by a committee" and suggested we forget the club and just do it between the two of us. He said "I'll do the hardware, you do the software. When will it be ready?". Heh 2. MODEM was done in the summer of '77, and released on the CP/M users' group disk #6 in September of 77, putting it in the public domain. CBBS was invented on 1/16/78, and did NOT support file transfers - it was and is a message-only system. Oh, northstar horizon? Interesting? P.S. quick tip on entering msgs - don't put in blank lines, makes it show up less per screen (I'm running on a friend's mac, and it is a real pain scrolling back and forth, heh). Msg 46140 is 07 line(s) on 03/11/93 from WARD CHRISTENSEN to JOHN RIKER re: BBS Heh heh. Funny how things go. I INVENTED the term Bulletin Board System, and I CHOOSE to make it a message-only system, which it is. So I was very amused by your message "Where are the programs? I thought this was a bulletin board system". heh. Sorry, you're looking at a piece of history - the worlds FIRST BBS, and it never has had programs. Being a single-phone-line system, file transfers would "kill" the ability to handle any message traffic. Msg 46141 is 14 line(s) on 03/11/93 from WARD CHRISTENSEN to MICHAEL CAIN re: NEW MESSAGES My choice on new msgs is to read "*" which means "the first new message since your previous call", so: r;* would read the first new msg. You can then REPLY to that msg, or type "." to go on to the next message. You can back up one message by typing ",". Sorry, it isn't very consistent - CBBS is a bunch of "hacks" that make up a BBS program. These were all add-ons. I'd already used "+" to mean "automatically read the next 10 messages", otherwise it might make sense for + to mean to read the next message. Theoretically you can "run" CBBS without ever typing a msg number. What you MIGHT do is first issue the command I do: o;* which will give you a one-line summary of new msgs, then r;*, etc. Also when o;* is typing to you, you can press enter when you see an interesting message, and type its msg # when prompted. You can "shortcut" msg #'s also, i.e. 12345;6 means 12345 and 123456. Msg 46142 is 04 line(s) on 03/12/93 from DONNIE STUHLMAN to ALL re: SIMMS FOR SALE I just upgraded my computer to use new simms. I now have 8 256K 80 ns simm chips to sell. (That means 2 megs of RAM.) I want $40 plus shipping for them. Leave a message on my answering machine 312-743-4241. Msg 46143 is 03 line(s) on 03/12/93 from MICHAEL CAIN to ALEX ZELL re: R/READING MESSAGES Thanks Ward. I'll put the capture on and get the help to read offline. I k knew it had to be easier than what I was doing. But I know you pioneers are hardy stock. Msg 46144 is 04 line(s) on 03/12/93 from MICHAEL CAIN to WARD CHRISTENSEN re: R/NEW MESSAGES Ward - Well, I'm now doing what you do, and it's working pretty good. I got to tell you, I miss the convenience of a navigator. This manual navigation drives me nuts. When are you goning to update the software? Will we see a graphical interface here on CBBS? Thanks, Ward. No msg 46145 Msg 46146 is 04 line(s) on 03/13/93 from BENJAMIN COHEN to ALEX ZELL re: BULLETINS You should know by now that NOBODY reads the bulletins on ANY system. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be there. And you SHOULD put a privacy notice in the opening bulletin to obtain full protection of the Communications Privacy Act. Msg 46147 is 03 line(s) on 03/13/93 from MURRAY ARNOW to ALL re: VOICE MAIL I am interested in voice mail boards for the PC. I would be grateful for any information anybody is willing to share. This is one of the many subjects I must admit to being quite ignorant. Msg 46148 is 09 line(s) on 03/13/93 from JERRY HASLETT to WARD CHRISTENSEN re: R/TOSHIBA T1100PLUS.HELP Thanks for your quick reply, Ward. My mailing address is - - J. Haslett 1320 West Melrose St. Chicago, IL 60657 - -/ Msg 46149 is 14 line(s) on 03/13/93 from ANDY SHAPIRO to WARD re: BBS You know, it occurs to me that CBBS is one of the only systems that I] run into that supports any level of discussion. There are a number of boards here (upstate NY) that are oriented to files, and sometimes they get poorly spelled, ungrammatical, nearly obscene messages - but not often. I think that one reason CBBS has survived is that it provides a place where people can come to talk. I remember coming on here in '84 - I had just bought a Kaypro, and somebody loaned me a modem and a copy of MDM737 or somesuch, and it had CBBS in the dialing directory. I think that if it had not been for this board, I would be sitting in front of a Mac or Windows screen right now. Instead, here I am with a truly non-standardized arrangement of various softwares, thanks to the things that I learned on this board. Hey - here I am in upstate NY and I'm STILL calling (can't get decent pizza here, though). Whatever you do to CBBS, Ward, keep it ALL MESSAGES. Thanks! Msg 46150 is 06 line(s) on 03/13/93 from TONY ANTONUCCI to ROY LIPSCOMB re: PHOTOS Glad the photos turned out good. Printing them can be a real problem since printers don't have "shades of grey". What you need is program to "dither" them. Actually the fotoman software that comes with the camera does a fine job, but they never look as good as on the screen. I had a friend print a color .GIF on a his new HP550C and it looks great! Wonder if that printer can do with a 256 level grey scale?? dup. chars. >Function:?