CBBS(R) 4.0.3b 06/30/91 22:35:21 Y/N: want CBBS "1st time user" info?^U ?^U ?^U ?n;ward;christensen;odraw;;fullc;piss Logging name to disk... You are caller 222353; next msg =44927; 379 active msgs. Prev. call 06/29/91 @ 23:28, next msg was 44916 Recording logon for next time... Use FULL? to check assignments ?^U ?xxxxx "Mine" command checking for msgs TO you, ^K >Function:?dir c:log;dir c:killed;dir summary;type-20 log,ward c;or;*;short LOG. 5 KILLED. 43 SUMMARY. 25 WARD CHRISTENSEN,, 06/29/91,23:35:01,222339,X,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,4 06/29/91,23:53:00,222340,2,MARTIN SCHRADER,, E#44916,12 06/30/91,01:43:30,222341,2,ALA LUKE,CHICAGO/ IL, >Help: BULLETINS, E#44917, >Help: A, E#44918,29 06/30/91,02:12:26,222342,2,ALA LUKE,, E#44919,5 06/30/91,11:07:24,222343,1,STEVE STONE,chicago/ ill, 06/30/91,12:18:44,222344,1,ANDY SHAPIRO,, E#44920,9 06/30/91,13:35:52,222345,2,DON PIVEN,,4 06/30/91,13:54:47,222346,2,BILL WOLFF,,4 06/30/91,15:51:58,222347,2,DONALD CROSS,, 06/30/91,16:21:37,222348,2,BILL WOLFF,, E#44921, E#44922,5 06/30/91,18:56:53,222349,3,MURRAY ARNOW,, E#44923, E#44924,15 06/30/91,19:56:43,222350,9,THOM QUICK,, E#44925,22 06/30/91,20:49:27,222351,2,BILL MATTSON,,2 06/30/91,21:54:49,222352,2,DONNIE STUHLMAN,, E#44926,22 06/30/91,22:35:25,222353,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,, 44916 06/29/91 MARTIN SCHRADER => BILL WOLFF: "R/FRAUDIGY PART 2" 44917 06/30/91 ALA LUKE => JAMES KARAGANIS: "R/C PROGRAMMING" 44918 06/30/91 ALA LUKE => ANDY SHAPIRO: "R/HELP: ZENITH 151" 44919 06/30/91 ALA LUKE => DBASE IV BOOKS: "WANTED DBASE IV BOOKS" 44920 06/30/91 ANDY SHAPIRO => ALA LUKE: "R/HELP: ZENITH 151" 44921 06/30/91 BILL WOLFF => MURRAY ARNOW: "R/CRT LIFETIMES" 44922 06/30/91 BILL WOLFF => MARTIN SCHRADER: "R/FRAUDIGY PART 2" 44923 06/30/91 MURRAY ARNOW => BILL WOLFF: "R/CRT LIFETIMES" 44924 06/30/91 MURRAY ARNOW => BILL WOLFF: "R/CRT LIFETIMES" 44925 06/30/91 THOM QUICK => ANDY SHAPIRO: "ZENITH 151 HELP" 44926 06/30/91 DONNIE STUHLMAN => ALL: "N* COMPUTERS FOR SALE" ---- End of summary ---- Retrieving flagged msgs: C skips, K aborts. Msg 44916 is 13 line(s) on 06/29/91 from MARTIN SCHRADER to BILL WOLFF re: R/FRAUDIGY PART 2 You know, Bill, DOS keeps convenient records of all that stuff -- in fact, a Master Boot Record. There are all kinds of ways for software running under "remote control" to find out things. Just look at other commercial products such as Remote, Carbon Copy, et al. I wouldn't let one of those slimy pieces of ka-ka *touch* my machine. As for the legality of the so-called contract, it probably just hasn't been challenged in court yet. I'm pretty sure IBM, Sears, etc. would lose a resounding defeat if somebody with some big-time legal pull fought them on invasion of privacy grounds. This does smack of 1984 though, doesn't it? Keep on your toes, dude. B C'ing U... Msg 44917 is 07 line(s) on 06/30/91 from ALA LUKE to JAMES KARAGANIS re: R/C PROGRAMMING the following are great reference books for the c language. waite's group - microsoft c bible ver 2. turbo c++ owner's manuals. que quick c reference/ c reference guide microsoft quick c ref. guide Msg 44918 is 20 line(s) on 06/30/91 from ALA LUKE to ANDY SHAPIRO re: R/HELP: ZENITH 151 you could call the local zenith dealership in skokie ( on dempster ) for the upgrading of the chips. the user manual for the 151 pc is called the zenith 100's series manual. the rca/phone jack and the 9 pin are for the ttl monochrome display. a color monitor and hard drive could be attached, but it would be rather expensive and may not be worth the upgrade ( the "8080" processor is rather slow ). the switch on the ttl mono card must be disabled and a color card installed into the machine. i truly think you should trash the machine! bye. ala. Msg 44919 is 07 line(s) on 06/30/91 from ALA LUKE to DBASE IV BOOKS re: WANTED DBASE IV BOOKS i looking for excellent reference books for dbase iv 1.1 version. does anyone know where i can purchase these books and the name of a few? thanks. Msg 44920 is 19 line(s) on 06/30/91 from ANDY SHAPIRO to ALA LUKE re: R/HELP: ZENITH 151 Well, I don't believe in trashing working machines. I figure that I can have a decent writing machine for $300, tops, and that beats what I have now (a Kaypro CP/M machine, nice as it is, is hard to add a hard disk to!). I know all about the 88/86/286/386/etc business -- but, again, this is better (for what I want to do) than what I have now. I appreciate the info on the video card -- I take it I can just plug a mono monitor into the 9-pin port; I abhor color screens of all types (also graphical interfaces, etc), so that makes life a little easier. And since I can get 256K of chips for $15 or so, I guess that might be worth a try as well. I can always add in an expansion card if it doesn't work. Besides all this, the 151 has one of the best keyboards of any MS-DOS machine I've ever used; I know I can move it to another box, but it has this one attached. So, unless you have a 286 or 386 (SX optional) to give away, I think I'll probably bring this 'handyperson special' up to speck. BTW, I live in upstate NY -- I moved from Chicago some time ago! Msg 44921 is 26 line(s) on 06/30/91 from BILL WOLFF to MURRAY ARNOW re: R/CRT LIFETIMES Dear Murray! Well I must say your a real ray of sunshine for me in this area of engineering. You see, I used to service and operate electron microscopes for 9 years. Really, an electron microscope is nothing more than a complex CRT in many ways. We had various ways to evaluate the microscope to provide a vacuum to operate an electron gun which beamed a small sample with electrons and magnified (or projected) the image on a fluorescent screen. Getter (or we called them Ion Getter Pumps) is nothing new to me. It was possible to get about 1x10 -10 torr for a vacuum. Our filaments were easily replaced in about 5 to 10 minutes tops. 1x10 -4 torr was about the least amount of vacuum one could have without blowing out filaments daily. Though normally one would never want to operate in that range, if one could avoid it. What does this have to do with CRTs? Well with tubes in general, you have a metal silver looking area which is generally a round matter attached (Is this shadow mask?) to the inside of the glass. I was told that this was a getter and fired up when the tube was new to create a stronger vacuum. Afterwards though it has no purpose and the only thing to maintain a vacuum was the heater burning up any oxygen it finds inside. It appears that you maybe telling me something that makes a lot more sense. Are you maintaining that CRTs (and perhaps other types of tubes) maintain a vacuum by a getter action while powered up? If so, do you have any idea about what the vacuum (sometimes they call it pressure nowadays) would likely operate around? Measurements in Torr or Pascal would likely be very helpful to me. Anyway, thanks for the already enlightened information you have provided us. Of course, I've found the information very informative. Msg 44922 is 20 line(s) on 06/30/91 from BILL WOLFF to MARTIN SCHRADER re: R/FRAUDIGY PART 2 Yes MS-DOS can check on Prodigy's action if needed. Though it appears to this reader that Prodigy has gone way out it's way to prevent any type of software learning anything that Prodigy software is up to. This simple action on their part only fuels suspicion that they are only hiding something. They have done other suspicious things which has created their intriguing position. They have gone out of their way to targeted the naive group while keeping the knowledgeable in disbelief. Another perfect of an example of controlling the masses. Now when the smoke clears, this may simply turn out to be one of the best marketing strategies known to man. With all this attention just fueling their success. I predicted that Prodigy would flop within a year. It certainly appears that I must now eat those words and say that they are still maintaining one million subscribers. I certainly didn't expect that many naive people using computers and having a modem at the same time. Well... all I can say is... I was wrong! Sorry. I guess it's true about what they say: a fool born every minute. Though I am not implying that all users of Prodigy are fools, just that some maybe misled by Prodigy's use of censorship to gain more support. After all, I am currently using Prodigy to review their new software version called 3.1. and at their expense too. Msg 44923 is 03 line(s) on 06/30/91 from MURRAY ARNOW to BILL WOLFF re: R/CRT LIFETIMES Your info regarding the flashed getter is largely correct. The getter is active even when the tube is off. Tube pressures range from 10-8 to 10-9 torr in most good tubes. Msg 44924 is 07 line(s) on 06/30/91 from MURRAY ARNOW to BILL WOLFF re: R/CRT LIFETIMES Sorry, forgot to answer the shadow mask question. The shadow mask is next to the glass screen opposite the gun end of the tube. You normally can not see the mask because there is a conductive coating on the tube funnel which blocks the view. The getter is usually mounted near the gun and is positioned to direct the barium towards the screen end of the tube when it is flashed. If this isn't done and conductive barium gets around the gun elements, there will be arcing and all sorts of fireworks. Msg 44925 is 09 line(s) on 06/30/91 from THOM QUICK to ANDY SHAPIRO re: ZENITH 151 HELP The Z-151 is a 4mhz 8088 machine. It has at least 2 major configurations that I know of. The 1st had a CPU card, and dual floppy and video card with a parallel port. The video ist NOT monochrome, it is CGA with a DB9 for RGB and a RCA Jack for composite video. The best upgrade is to find a AST six pack or simular product to expand the memory. You can contact Heathkit in St Joseph Mich and get the hardware tech support to give you atitional options. And you are right about te keyboard it still is the best and most reliable made. Msg 44926 is 11 line(s) on 06/30/91 from DONNIE STUHLMAN to ALL re: N* COMPUTERS FOR SALE I have two Northstar computers (remember them?) for sale. The first is the all-in-one Advantage. It is a collectors' item. It does not work and I can't figure out want to fix. Asking $25 plus shipping. THe second is a two user Dimension. This is an MS-DOS compatible machine. Includes two mono monitors and key boards. It requires a new hard drive, more memory and an operating system upgrade. Asking $100 for the main unit; $50 for each of the work stations. Plus shipping. This is an excellent machine for alternative to a network. Call Donnie Stuhlman 312/743-4241 (evenings, answering machine). No dup. chars. >Function:?