CBBS(R) 4.0.1b 03/06/89 19:20:12 Y/N: want CBBS "1st time user" info?^U ?^U ?^U ?n;ward;christensen;odraw;;fulcc;piss Logging name to disk... You are caller 203335; next msg =41455; 462 active msgs. Prev. call 03/04/89 @ 17:51, next msg was 41442 Recording logon for next time. I don't understand 'FULCC', WARD Type ? for list of valid commands. "Mine" command checking for msgs TO you, ^K to abort. 40840 11/03/88 MURRAY ARNOW => WARD CHRISTENSEN: "R/NEW MODEM ROM" 40843 11/04/88 CHIP THOMAS => WARD CHRISTENSEN: "XMODEM PROTOCOL QUESTION" 40859 11/06/88 ROY LIPSCOMB => WARD: "NONOISE.ARC (1)" 40860 11/06/88 ROY LIPSCOMB => WARD: "NONOISE.ARC (2)" 40861 11/06/88 ROY LIPSCOMB => WARD: "NONOISE.ARC (3)" 40862 11/06/88 ROY LIPSCOMB => WARD: "NONO Function:?fullc;piss Use FULL? to check assignments >Function:?type-50 log,ward c;or;*;short 03/04/89,17:51:47,203236,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,, E#41442, E#41443, E#41444, 03/04/89,18:12:09,203237,X,WARD CHRISTENSEN,, 03/04/89,18:13:01,203238,X,WARD CHRISTENSEN,, ]R,Q, ]R,CBBSTEST.CPM, 03/04/89,18:21:04,203239,X,WARD CHRISTENSEN,, 03/04/89,18:21:33,203240,X,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,0 03/04/89,18:26:27,203241,3,MURRAY ARNOW,,9 03/04/89,18:49:41,203242,2,RICHARD HINTON,,8 03/04/89,19:26:18,203243,2,KEVIN AAGAARD,,2 03/04/89,19:39:14,203244,1,ANDY SHAPIRO,,1 03/04/89,19:59:27,203245,1,GLENN POWERS,, 03/04/89,20:52:38,203246,1,GLENN POWERS,, 03/04/89,21:05:50,203247,3,JIM COLLING,, 03/04/89,21:15:14,203248,3,JIM COLLING,, 03/04/89,21:36:44,203249,1,BOB SMITH,,6 03/04/89,22:00:23,203250,1,DAVID CHOI,Chicago/IL,4 03/04/89,22:08:04,203251,2,BILL MATTSON,,7 03/04/89,22:17:41,203252,1,JOSEPH SKOM,,6 03/04/89,22:30:41,203253,1,BRIAN HOLMES,chicago,4 03/04/89,22:49:39,203254,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,, ]R,CBBSHST.CPM, 03/04/89,22:56:02,203255,X,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,1 03/04/89,22:57:48,203256,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,, >Help: MSTATS,1 03/04/89,22:58:51,203257,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,2 03/04/89,23:01:42,203258,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,1 ]First test with new parms set up for USR HST; this is my first MNP call. My old logon script doesn't work because it sends chars too fast - I came in as (heh heh) WAD Chr... __also the 9600 didn't work - back to the drawing board. I'm now removing this version, since a crash with it goes to DOS with no password. WARD CHRISTENSEN, 03/04/89,23:03:52,203259,X,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,0 03/04/89,23:34:41,203260,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,, 03/04/89,23:35:31,203261,X,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,0 03/04/89,23:36:12,203262,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,, 03/04/89,23:36:47,203263,X,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,1 03/04/89,23:40:13,203264,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,, E#41445,6 03/04/89,23:53:58,203265,2,JIM POLOUS,, E#41446,6 03/05/89,01:07:32,203266,1,STEVE GENOVESE,,4 03/05/89,02:47:42,203267,2,JIM MORAVEC,,2 03/05/89,03:48:13,203268,2,MICHAEL OTTO,,2 03/05/89,06:14:48,203269,1,EDGAR COUDAL,,2 03/05/89,08:40:05,203270,2,TOM KOWALCZYK,,1 03/05/89,09:27:28,203271,2,PAUL STREETER,,3 03/05/89,10:13:18,203272,1,MARKUS EGLER,Hamburg,8 ]MARKUS EGLER, 03/05/89,11:16:13,203273,2,DAVID GIBBS,,4 03/05/89,12:10:20,203274,2,INGEMAR NORD,Stockholm Sweden,4 03/05/89,12:22:37,203275,2,MIKE ANDREWS,, E#41447,12 03/05/89,12:35:17,203276,1,BOB SULLIVAN,,2 03/05/89,12:47:39,203277,1,HG HK,IU,2 03/05/89,13:34:43,203278,2,ANDREW DECKOWITZ,,10 03/05/89,14:01:23,203279,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,, 03/05/89,14:02:21,203280,X,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,0 03/05/89,14:03:49,203281,9,WARD CHRISTENSEN,, E#41448, E#41449, 03/05/89,14:35:07,203282,X,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,6 03/05/89,14:40:55,203283,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,2 03/05/89,14:43:02,203284,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,3 03/05/89,14:47:09,203285,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,, E#41450,14 ]9600 baud installed; 2400 MNP tested; requires a bit more delays to chars sent because otherwise the modem sends CBBS `packets' that overrun the speed of the slow PC and V20 8080 emulator. 9600 works, but output peaks at 340 CPS, and input is nearly impossible at > 5 CPS or so. ==== Going to San Francisco on Wednesday afternoon; flying to Houston from there on Saturday; returning to Chicago Wednesday the 15th. Keep an eye on things. WARD CHRISTENSEN, 03/05/89,15:14:35,203286,2,STEVEN COOK,, 03/05/89,16:11:38,203287,2,MARTY DIPPEL,,7 03/05/89,16:49:55,203288,1,TOM GOERING,,12 03/05/89,17:01:25,203289,2,JAMES SCHMIDT,,1 03/05/89,17:36:31,203290,1,STEVE ROSENBLUM,, 03/05/89,17:43:54,203291,1,DAVE DEVORE,,2 03/05/89,18:22:08,203292,1,MARK MEHOFF,chicago, 03/05/89,18:28:58,203293,1,BYRON SMITH,, E#41451,19 03/05/89,19:25:04,203294,1,ROD HANING,GURNEE/IL,11 03/05/89,19:34:05,203295,2,CURT ROSTENBACH,,3 03/05/89,20:19:25,203296,2,ED FOSTER,,3 03/05/89,21:00:43,203297,1,RICHARD GOZDAL,,7 03/05/89,21:53:47,203298,1,DON PIVEN,,4 03/05/89,22:02:20,203299,2,VIC RADIN,Evanston/ Il.,5 03/05/89,22:13:46,203300,2,RICK BOHM,Skokie Il,13 03/05/89,22:25:35,203301,1,JOSEPH SKOM,,4 03/05/89,23:03:01,203302,1,ANDY SHAPIRO,, E#41452,5 03/05/89,23:26:40,203303,9,WARD CHRISTENSEN,, E#41453,13 ]Yep, that ,9, means 9600 baud MNP error correcting call. However, it really doesn't work well. Have to type Tooo slowly. WARD CHRISTENSEN, 03/05/89,23:40:48,203304,2,JIM POLOUS,,3 03/05/89,23:46:57,203305,3,BILL WOLFF,,2 03/05/89,23:50:29,203306,3,MURRAY ARNOW,,7 03/06/89,00:53:25,203307,3,DANNY VAISRUB,,6 03/06/89,01:03:28,203308,2,JIM MORAVEC,,6 03/06/89,02:38:30,203309,2,BILL MATTSON,,9 03/06/89,04:30:18,203310,2,ERIC BOHLMAN,, E#41454,12 03/06/89,05:39:13,203311,1,PETE JONES,,3 03/06/89,06:55:33,203312,2,DENNIS STAHL,,8 03/06/89,07:56:23,203313,2,ALEX ZELL,,7 ]First time I have been able to use 2400 here w/o noise interference. Related to new modem? We'll see. ALEX ZELL, 03/06/89,09:32:27,203314,1,JOHN MUNDT,,3 03/06/89,10:11:48,203315,1,JAY FRENCH,chicago/il,10 03/06/89,10:57:11,203316,2,JAY FRENCH,,29 03/06/89,11:32:34,203317,1,JOSEPH SKOM,,3 03/06/89,12:44:14,203318,1,GLENN POWERS,,1 03/06/89,12:51:12,203319,1,ANDY SHAPIRO,,1 03/06/89,14:35:22,203320,1,ART HABEL,Hickory Hills.Il,5 03/06/89,15:01:22,203321,3,LEE FAINMAN,DEERFIELD, >Help: HELLO, >Help: SHIT, >Help: PI[UH,7 ]HELLO, MY NAME IS LEE, AND I WOULD LIKE FOR SOMEONE TO LEAVE ME A MESSAGE. HAVE A NICE DAY! LEE FAINMAN, 03/06/89,18:02:43,203322,1,STEVE COHEN,,2 03/06/89,18:07:10,203323,2,TOM KOWALCZYK,,1 03/06/89,18:12:06,203324,1,STEVE STEINKIRCH,, >Help: SORT,8 03/06/89,18:22:49,203325,1,STEVE STEINKIRCH,,4 ]n STEVE STEINKIRCH, 03/06/89,18:37:09,203326,2,JERRY DOSKOCZYNSKY,,4 03/06/89,19:10:17,203327,2,BILL PRECHT,,4 03/06/89,19:18:12,203328,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,, >Help: RS232.COM, ]R,RS232.COM, 03/06/89,17:37:57,203329,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,7 03/06/89,17:46:37,203330,1,STEVE STEINKIRCH,,19 03/06/89,18:24:21,203331,2,TOM KOWALCZYK,,1 03/06/89,18:33:45,203332,1,STEVE STEINKIRCH,,8 03/06/89,18:45:20,203333,2,RICK BOHM,,24 03/06/89,19:15:59,203334,2,JAMES SCHMIDT,,1 03/06/89,19:20:16,203335,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,, 41442 03/04/89 WARD CHRISTENSEN => MICHAEL OTTO: "R/HELLO" 41443 03/04/89 WARD CHRISTENSEN => TRENT CASTLE: "R/XMODEM" 41444 03/04/89 WARD CHRISTENSEN => MIKE ANDREWS: "R/CBBS IN THE SMITHSONIAN UPDA" 41445 03/04/89 WARD CHRISTENSEN => MIDE ANDREWS: "HST 9600" 41446 03/04/89 JIM POLOUS => ALL: "RS-232 HELP" 41447 03/05/89 MIKE ANDREWS => WARD CHRISTENSEN: "R/HST 9600" 41448 03/05/89 WARD CHRISTENSEN => JIM POLOUS: "R/RS-232 HELP" 41449 03/05/89 WARD CHRISTENSEN => MIKE ANDREWS: "R/HST 9600" 41450 03/05/89 WARD CHRISTENSEN => ALL: "CBBS TESTING 9600 AND ARQ" 41451 03/05/89 BYRON SMITH => WARD CHRISTENSEN: "HASH THE HASH" 41452 03/05/89 ANDY SHAPIRO => ED FOSTER: "DISK" 41453 03/05/89 WARD CHRISTENSEN => BYRON SMITH: "R/HASH THE HASH" 41454 03/06/89 ERIC BOHLMAN => JIM POLOUS: "R/RS-232 HELP" - End of summary - Retrieving flagged msgs: C skips, K aborts. Msg 41442 is 06 line(s) on 03/04/89 from WARD CHRISTENSEN to MICHAEL OTTO re: R/HELLO Heh heh, if you've never seen a BBS like this, it is because you've never before called the worlds first and oldest BBS. Using this system kind of reminds me of riding around a pasture in a friend's grandfather's Model A Ford. In other words, little has been done to 'modernize' CBBS, but on the other hand, when learned, there are few BBSs that can be used more quickly and efficiently - little "fat" here. Msg 41443 is 07 line(s) on 03/04/89 from WARD CHRISTENSEN to TRENT CASTLE re: R/XMODEM You should be able to get a comprehensive description of XMODEM and related protocols from most download BBSs. If you want to see what I've personally put together, plus some CRC stuff put together by John Byrns, call the Ward Board at (312) 849-1132, and look at the "low numbered" messages. Log on and do an s;1 or o;1 to see them, press ^K to kill out of the listing, then decide which you want to retrieve. The Ward Board is 300-1200-2400. Msg 41444 is 11 line(s) on 03/04/89 from WARD CHRISTENSEN to MIKE ANDREWS re: R/CBBS IN THE SMITHSONIAN UPDA That's a real kick - thanks for your efforts! Should that not pan out, there's still the Boston Computer Museum - saw an ad for it in one of the magazines I was "fixing" today. (cardboard ads in magazines are to magazines as chuck holes are to roads in our area ;-) Hacking CBBS source today. My first attempts locked up, so I've gone back to RECONSTRUCTING the appropriate source to 'match what is running online' with hopes of using that as a base. I'm fearful of what I'll find with lack of interrupts however, but hopefully I'll know before the weekend is out. Thanks again for all your con~rw3tribution. (oops, gotta get MNP working!) Msg 41445 is 14 line(s) on 03/04/89 from WARD CHRISTENSEN to MIDE ANDREWS re: HST 9600 Well, just completed my first MNP call at 2400! Unfortunately, the delays due to MNP menat my sign-on came in as "Wad Chr.", so I'll have to make some changes before I put that version online. Unfortunately, it didn't allow a 9600 baud call! I initialize the modem at 2400, and wait for the result codes, and I'm testing for all the codes in the "teens" - and setting to 9600 if I see the ARQ or non-ARQ 9600 baud answer. I'm calling with mine with AT&M5, at 9600, but when a connection is made, I get "Connect ARQ/2400", not 9600. I recall you saying I should be at 19,200 baud, but that's not practical from the setup I currently have on CBBS, should I try sending the commands and awaiting results at 9600? Must be modem be at the highest speed to be able to connect at the highest speed? Thanks! Msg 41446 is 11 line(s) on 03/04/89 from JIM POLOUS to ALL re: RS-232 HELP I recently purchased a Mr. Mox modem operated switch for my bbs. It is activated by the carrier detect signal. At that point, it turns it self on for at least 1.5 minutes as long as carrier detect is present. This all works fine and dandy, except that it takes too long for the computer to power up and load the required driver software. It would be nice if I could rig a way to have the computer begin power up on the first ring. My question is could I simply connect the ring indicator to the carrier detect line of the modem and run them both to the carrier detect in my modem tap for the Mr Mox or must I design an OR gate and send that result to the CD line? If I must design the OR gate circuit, are the voltage levels on the RS-232 signals sufficient to drive the circuit? Msg 41447 is 20 line(s) on 03/05/89 from MIKE ANDREWS to WARD CHRISTENSEN re: R/HST 9600 You have to have CBBS send the ATA at 9600. The modem will not connect at a spped above the port rate it detects (no place to put all the extra data). It don't think you'll need an interrupt. You only need a 19,200 port rate to get data compression or 14.4. If you don't lock with &B1 it'll match the port to the connect rate (like the 2400 did) and you won't get 14.4 connects. No sweat, you ain't doing file transfers anyway. BTW, to see YOUR modem fly set your PC to 38,400 do a AT&B&1&H1&W. Disable auto-baud rate change in your com program, enable RTS/CTS hardware flow control. Call USR's PC Board system 982-5274 (i think). You should get a 14,400 connect. Try a YMODEM-G or ZMODEM dwonload. You can get up to 1700cps on .ARC files. Try out PROCOMM Plus (the plug you in the docs) or QMODEM 4.0 to get these features. This week I've been calling the Canda Remote BBS with my 9600 HST and getting THREE megabytes of new files in an hour and a half. 360K takes about 3-4 minutes. About as fast as a disk copy on some machines. I got 1100cps all the time. Have fun! Msg 41448 is 06 line(s) on 03/05/89 from WARD CHRISTENSEN to JIM POLOUS re: R/RS-232 HELP RS-232 signal lines are specified as being from -5 to -25v, and from +5 to 25V, so they are not "TTL" compatible (when you said "OR" I presume you meant the TTL function). You could probably diode-OR the two lines together i.e. in such a way that CD and ring don't interfere with each other, while allowing either to be seen by your 'box'. Msg 41449 is 28 line(s) on 03/05/89 from WARD CHRISTENSEN to MIKE ANDREWS re: R/HST 9600 HEY! CBBS - 9600 baud! Know what was wrong? While I was manually setting the speed to 9600, and I set AT&M5, my SCRIPT for calling was setting AT&M0 because the old CBBS didn't recognize the ARQ connect codes. So, everything looks pretty good now - contrary to what you said, I am able to initialize the modem at 2400 (i.e. no changes from before, and the extended connect codes come in at 2400; causing me to switch to 9600, which then handles the call OK. However, without interrupt driven receive, it is nearly impossible to key into CBBS. I am now keying at a rate of about 5 characters per second, determined by an automatic buffer delay in my commo program. Setting it much faster causes characters to be lost. I picked up a little interrupt-driven RS-232 INT 14 replacement from compuserve, because, like the standard INT 14, I don't think it sends chars if CD is not present, but what I'm wanting to DO is to issue ATA. (my philosophy is to ATS0=0 and ATA so if CBBS isn't working, the modem won't be answering the phone making people pay for non-working calls. You know what "ERA" could be opened up by the great HST modems? The ability to have REMOTE devices! It would be practical for ex. to have CBBS's drive to be drive G: on my system, using the 9600! Perhaps you should bring this idea to the attention of Guy Gordon of Brooklyn Bridge (White Crane Systems) or Mark Eppley of Travelling Software. I'm `friends' with both of them; talk to Eppley every month or two on Compuserve; (He's very busy so I don't bug him). What do you think? A remote-bridge! Heck, I could back up CBBS from here - easier than getting Randy to do it (grin). (Atchally I should re-write CBBS in "C" and run it on Chinet) Msg 41450 is 28 line(s) on 03/05/89 from WARD CHRISTENSEN to ALL re: CBBS TESTING 9600 AND ARQ I have put a version of CBBS online that is PARTIALLY supporting 9600 baud and ARQ. I say "partially" because the input is not interrupt driven. My own logon script caused characters to be lost because the modem is sending in small 'packets' of characters due to MNP and ARQ. At 9600, it is nearly impossible to send ANYTHING - you have to type at about 5-10 characters per second. For example, with YAM there is a character 'throttle' (slow-down) command, and I have to set it to about 140, while normally I'd go with 8 or less. I am looking at an interrupt driven INT 14 replacement, and when that goes online, CBBS should be able to handle the speeds much faster. For some reason, perhaps the dual-console I/O (to the screen and modem) as well as the overhead of V-20 8080 emulation running on a 4.77MHz PC, a memory dump at 9600 baud resulted in only 350 CPS, not a lot more than the 210 CPS experienced with 2400. (I tried 2400 with and without ARQ, and they seemed to be identical in speed, but I got some line noise bursts at 2400 without MNP, (or ARQ - not sure of the terms! Is ARQ a USR term?). SO, if you have an MNP modem, feel free to try it at 1200 or 2400, and if you want to "just see what it is like" (perhaps "how bad it is") try 9600. Oops, I haven't tried calling in at 1200 MNP, but I presume it would work OK. Thanks to USR for these great modems - hope I can get to the interrupt driven stuff soon, but a big project coming up mid-next-week will put all other things on the back burner for about 8 days. Other than the loss of input characters when sending too fast under MNP, let me know of any experiences you feel I should know of. Msg 41451 is 11 line(s) on 03/05/89 from BYRON SMITH to WARD CHRISTENSEN re: HASH THE HASH Hi Ward. well, sounds like i may have to redo that portion of hashing the user file. I dont want to loose any people in the user file, as i have passwords assigned (they picked them) and once i have verified them, i dont want to loose any one that was verified. hmm. guess i should take a week off as vacation and look into the code. have seen the users name "become lost" in the user log. have had users with passwords become lost after awhile of use. so, either i fix it, or replace the code with the original stuff (user routines that is). so- 4.0.1. more tricks?? Byron In Central calif. (209) 685 0306 CBBS and RCP/M (yes, a vanishing breed - and still S100 and loving it - got a 40 meg drive for it now) Msg 41452 is 03 line(s) on 03/05/89 from ANDY SHAPIRO to ED FOSTER re: DISK Thanks for the materials; they arrived in spite of the best efforts of the US Postal Service! I will be sending the disk out in a couple of days with a bunch of little PD utilities on it. Thanks again! Msg 41453 is 12 line(s) on 03/05/89 from WARD CHRISTENSEN to BYRON SMITH re: R/HASH THE HASH Gee, that's too bad - I'm forgetting - did we chat about this at some previous time? What have you done with the hashing routine that makes it "loose" (sic) people? Or did you find something wrong with my original routine, when certain parms (file size?) are picked? The technique I would use would be to write a little program that reads the old file, and re-hashes into a new file. By the way, did you know that if you want to double the user file size, you can just use an editor to copy it to itself? Gee, now I'm forgetting why that works, I think the users will hash either to the first half or second half, but in the same relative position as when the file was half as large. Only problem is with passwords the un-used entries won't be deleted. Hmmm. Msg 41454 is 10 line(s) on 03/06/89 from ERIC BOHLMAN to JIM POLOUS re: R/RS-232 HELP You'll need to work out some sort of one-shot circuit; the ring indicator line will go on and off during the ringing cycle. You could use a 555 timer and some transistors for level translation. The period of the one-s- shot should be around 15 seconds; this will give you a steady output as long as the phone continues to ring, and will drop reasonably quickly if the caller hangs up before connection is established. Needless to say, when using this option you shouldn't set your modem to auto-answer; have the system to tell it to answer once it wakes up (other- wise you may time out your modem's carrier detect). dup. chars. >Function:?