|||||| |||||| || || |||||| |||||| || || ||| || || || || ||| |||| |||||| || |||| Your || || || || ||| || || |||||| |||||| || || |||||| |||||| GenieLamp Computing || |||||| || || |||||| RoundTable || || || ||| ||| || || || |||||| |||||||| |||||| RESOURCE! || || || || || || || ||||| || || || || || ~ WELCOME TO GENIELAMP APPLE II! ~ """""""""""""""""""""""""""""" ~ PD_QUICKVIEW: Marinetti ~ FILE BANDWAGON: Top Ten Files for July ~ THE REAL WORLD APPLE: The Annunciators, Act 2 ~ HOT NEWS, HOT FILES, HOT MESSAGES ~ \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//////////////////////////////////// GenieLamp Apple II ~ A T/TalkNET Publication ~ Vol.6, Issue 67 """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Editor...................................................Ryan M. Suenaga Editor Emeritus................................................Doug Cuff \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//////////////////////////////////// ~ GenieLamp IBM ~ GenieLamp ST ~ GenieLamp PowerPC ~ ~ GenieLamp A2Pro ~ GenieLamp Macintosh ~ GenieLamp TX2 ~ ~ GenieLamp Windows ~ GenieLamp A2 ~ LiveWire (ASCII) ~ ~ Member Of The Digital Publishing Association ~ GE Mail: GENIELAMP Internet: genielamp@genie.com ////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ >>> WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE APPLE II ROUNDTABLE? <<< """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" ~ September 15, 1997 ~ FROM MY DESKTOP ......... [FRM] HEY MISTER POSTMAN ...... [HEY] Notes From The Editor. Is That A Letter For Me? PD_QUICKVIEW ............ [PDQ] FILE BANDWAGON .......... [BAN] Marinetti. Top Ten Files For May and June. THE REAL WORLD APPLE .... [RWA] LOG OFF ................. [LOG] The Annunciators, Act 2. GenieLamp Information. [IDX]"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" READING GENIELAMP GenieLamp has incorporated a unique indexing system """"""""""""""""" to help make reading the magazine easier. To utilize this system, load GenieLamp into any ASCII word processor or text editor. In the index you will find the following example: HUMOR ONLINE ............ [HUM] Genie Fun & Games. To read this article, set your find or search command to [HUM]. If you want to scan all of the articles, search for [EOA]. [EOF] will take you to the last page, whereas [IDX] will bring you back to the index. MESSAGE INFO To make it easy for you to respond to messages reprinted """""""""""" here in GenieLamp, you will find all the information you need immediately following the message. For example: (SMITH, CAT6, TOP1, MSG:58/M475) _____________| _____|__ _|___ |____ |_____________ |Name of sender CATegory TOPic Msg.# Page number| In this example, to respond to Smith's message, log on to page 475 enter the bulletin board and set CAT 6. Enter your REPly in TOPic 1. A message number that is surrounded by brackets indicates that this message is a "target" message and is referring to a "chain" of two or more messages that are following the same topic. For example: {58}. ABOUT Genie Genie has pricing plans to fit almost any budget. Genie's """"""""""" services include email, software downloads, bulletin boards, chat lines, and an Internet gateway included at a non-prime time connect rate of $2.75. Some pricing plans include uncharged online connect time. As always, prices are subject to change without notice. To sign up for Genie, call (with modem) 1-800-638-8369 in the USA or 1-800-387-8330 in Canada. Upon connection wait for the U#= prompt. Type: JOINGENIE and hit RETURN. The system will then prompt you for your information. Need more information? Call Genie's customer service line (voice) at 1-800-638-9636. GET GENIELAMP ON THE NET! Now you can get your GenieLamp A2 issues from """"""""""""""""""""""""" the Internet. If you use a web browser, connect to "http://people.delphi.com/rsuenaga". *** GET INTO THE LAMP! *** """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" ///////////////////////////////////////// Genie_QWIK_QUOTE ///// / "Every one I know who has taken early retirement has / / said it was the best thing they ever did, and also / / they had never been busier." / / / / "Gack. . . it gets busier???!!!" / /////////////////////////////////////// E.WANNOP AND A2LAMP /// [EOA] [FRM]////////////////////////////// FROM MY DESKTOP / ///////////////////////////////// Notes From The Editor """"""""""""""""""""" by Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. [A2LAMP] >>> GOOD NEWS, BAD NEWS <<< """"""""""""""""""""""""""" I hate Pain, but I hate Giving Up even more. Not a motto or a catchphrase, but a philosophy on life. I wrote it on my mirror, so I see it every morning when I'm shaving. I repeat it to myself when I'm working my injured shoulder in physical therapy. I chant it in my head when I'm bicycling up some steep hill and cursing the extra weight I've become saddled with as I've aged. I say it to myself as I run the morning's CoPilot pass through Genie's A2 RoundTable. Ever since Uncle DOS himself, Tom Weishaar of the dear, departed, _Open-Apple_, took the reins of the Apple II areas on the Genie (then GEnie) online service, Genie's A2 and A2Pro have been _the_ place to be online for Apple II support. Even the coming of the Internet could not slow down the dedicated staff and users of the A2 RoundTables. But Genie itself could. While General Electric was never the benevolent parent that would have allowed GEnie to compete with the big boys of the online service world, the service was small, but thriving, and alive with activity. In fact, much of its charm was the fact that it was small and unique and different from the huge online services it competed with. Just as using an Apple II is esoteric now, using GEnie was esoteric then, and there is a certain appeal in that. Then General Electric sold GEnie, and it became Genie. The new owners also chose to make it the most expensive online service in the world. Many chose to leave, many stayed, and few new users arrived. Over time, many more left than stayed. The A2 faithful did not take the situation lightly. After all, Apple II users are survivors if nothing else, and survivors find what they need to survive. A new home for the A2 faithful was sought--one that would work faster, be cheaper, and more accessible to the world--and eventually found: Delphi. Over time, Delphi A2 started catching up to Genie A2, both in terms of quality and quantity of content. In early August, Delphi A2, potentially _the_ hotspot for Apple II activity, got so warm it exploded with activity. The combination of the availability of two offline readers for the Apple IIgs, KansasFest 1997, and free Delphi access via the World Wide Web made for leaps and bounds of growth. At the same time, Genie's management management made it clear that they're planning big changes for the online service. In fact, they also made it clear that these changes were coming September 1st (see last month's _GenieLamp A2_ for details). Unfortunately, they never made it clear just what these changes would be (although it was clear that all offline readers, which the production of _GenieLamp A2_ is dependent on, would break and break spectacularly). Fortunately (or not, depending on your perspective), these changes have still not happened. The combination of Genie's announcements and Delphi's growth have led to even more Genie A2 faithful moving to a new home on Delphi, and with them has gone much of the activity of the A2 RoundTable on Genie. Seeing what's happened on Genie, my first-ever online service, has been quite Painful. Many friends I've known for years have left. New friends wandering in are rare. I've thought about Giving Up, more than I'd like to admit. I've made a decision. The October 1997 issue of _GenieLamp A2_ will be the last. It's a difficult decision, and it feels like Giving Up, but the Pain of seeing what's happened to Genie the last year and a half has been too much. But this is not Giving Up. What will be done to fill the void caused by the end of the 'Lamp will be to start a similar publication on Delphi. Check the II Scribe Forum on Delphi for further information. I'm not Giving Up because of the Pain; I'm moving on so I can still see the light. Finally, a quick word about the future: KansasFest 1998 is scheduled for July 22-26 1998 at Avila College in Kansas City, Missouri. Just because it wouldn't be a _GenieLamp A2_ editorial without a KFest Blatant Plug. -- Ryan Genie Mail: A2LAMP Internet: a2lamp@genie.com __________________________________________________________ | | | REPRINTING GENIELAMP | | | | If you want to reprint any part of GenieLamp, or | | post it to a bulletin board, please see the very end | | of this file for instructions and limitations. | |__________________________________________________________| ASCII ART BEGINS _____ _ _ ___ ___ / ____| (_) | | / _ \|__ \ | | __ ___ _ __ _ ___| | __ _ _ __ ___ _ __ | |_| | ) | | | |_ |/ _ \ '_ \| |/ _ \ | / _` | '_ ` _ \| '_ \ | _ | / / | |__| | __/ | | | | __/ |___| (_| | | | | | | |_) | | | | |/ /_ \_____|\___|_| |_|_|\___|______\__,_|_| |_| |_| .__/ |_| |_|____| | | |_| ASCII ART ENDS [EOA] [HEY]////////////////////////////// HEY MISTER POSTMAN / ///////////////////////////////// Is That A Letter For Me? """""""""""""""""""""""" by Ryan Suenaga [A2LAMP] o BULLETIN BOARD HOT SPOTS o A2 POT-POURRI o HOT TOPICS o WHAT'S NEW o THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE o MESSAGE SPOTLIGHT >>> BULLETIN BOARD HOT SPOTS <<< """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" [*] CAT 1, TOP 29 ....... The Other A2 Flies High [*] CAT 2, TOP 4 ....... High Anxiety over Genie Changes [*] CAT 12, TOP 13 ....... HP vs. Epson--For The II, No Contest [*] CAT 28, TOP 27 ....... Marinetti Hits The Streets >>> A2 POT-POURRI <<< """"""""""""""""""""" DAYS OF GENIE PAST? This was the answer, when I asked Feedback how to """"""""""""""""""" access Genie after August 31st... Hi Udo, Thanks for your note. I am not sure how/or when the changes will go into effect. I have sent your note to Genie Management, as soon as I hear from them, I will write you back. Regards, Pat Genie Client Services (U.HUTH, CAT2, TOP4, MSG:119/M645;1) <<<<< This is the latest answer from FEEDBACK regarding the new Genie: """"" Dear Mr. Huth, I receved the following note from Genie Managemet. No dates for implementation has been set. You will still be able to access Genie, much as you do now. We are expanding the services capabilites, but are not cutting back on any access methods. We are keeping the service as similar as possible to what it currently is so as to not present too great a culture shock as we move to the new servers. We will make the move in such as way as make everything as easy as possible for you the user. We don't do this every day, so a lot of things are very fluid from the design and implementation viewpoints. We are working on a general update letter to be sent soon, please look for it. Regards, Pat Genie Client Services Udo (U.HUTH, CAT2, TOP4, MSG:120/M645;1) >>>>> The upcoming Genie change is on a vastly greater scale than """"" previous changes to the Genie interface. I am not optimistic that the Genie offline readers will be fixable after the changevoer. Hopefully I am wrong, but it would be prudent for everyone to start hedging their bets right now in case the OLR's prove to be difficult or impossible to fix. With regard to joining Delphi: The Apple II community there is growing slowly but visibly. With this change in Genie, it may see a major growth spurt in the near future. My gut feeling is that, because of the library and OLR situations, six months from now the current roles and relative ranking of Delphi and Genie will be reversed. Right now the Delphi library only has a few hundred files in it, but plans are afoot to automate a large-scale upload to make it into something to be proud of like we have here on Genie. Failing that, if A2-Delphi did something as simple as organize a hundred users into uploading a few of their favorite files, things could start hopping overnight. At this time file transfers on Delphi are reliable only if using Delphi's direct-access membership option. Their "content" membership option gives you access via your own internet dial-up through a telnet connection. To say that file transfers via telnet are unreliable vastly understates the case. Having said that, There Are Rumors that Delphi has something in the works to greatly improve file transfer capabilities, but I have no word on what that might be or when it will surface. In no way am I suggesting that people quit Genie and join Delphi. I myself will be here on Genie until the bitter end, whenever that might be. But Genie is becoming a terribly frayed basket to be keeping all of your eggs in. TomZ (A2.TOMZ, CAT2, TOP7, MSG:191/M645;1) >>>>> We do indeed have the entire library backed up, but as Tom said it """"" might take quite a while to get it all uploaded elsewhere (ie. Delphi.) I think what Tim and Tom were referring to is during Genie's changeover the files might be lost, here, at least temporarily. - Tony (wiped out, but home from KFest!) (A2.TONY, CAT2, TOP7, MSG:194/M645;1) NETPRINTER OPTIONS In the NetPrinter control panel I am presented with """""""""""""""""" three options 1.ImageWriter 2.ImageWriter LQ 3.LaserWriter The drivers folder has a driver for the ImageWriter but none for the LQ nor the LaserWriter. Some questions... What determines the options I have for choosing a network printer? Are there third party drivers/options available for network printers? If so, what are they? Speedy rreedy@southeast.net (R.REEDY, CAT8, TOP7, MSG:92/M645;1) >>>>> Indeed, Apple's Net Printer control panel only looks for those """"" three types of printers. As Steve mentioned, I once tried hacking my copy (changing "ImageWriter" to "DeskWriter") and was able to see my printer on the network, however, it confused the heck out of all my GS/OS programs, so it wasn't really usable. :-( However, my little experiment indicates to me that it is possible to get non-Apple networked printers to work with the GS, but I need to look into it further to see what needs to be done. As soon as I clear out some of this backlog of projects, I'll try to get back to it. As I have no other printer on my GS, and changing from AppleTalk to serial is to inconvenient for me to bother (yes, I'm very lazy), I'm as anxious as anybody to get this working. (M.HACKETT, CAT8, TOP7, MSG:95/M645;1) >>> HOT TOPICS <<< """""""""""""""""" DELPHI NOW AND DELPHI FUTURE """""""""""""""""""""""""""" Delphi's A2 Forum is currently exploding with activity. In the past three days alone, there have been more than 200 new messages posted in the A2 forum. In July, A2 jumped to the 30th position in the rankings of top 100 most active forums. If the traffic level stays anywhere near what it has been this past week for the rest of this month, it is quite possible that A2 will be very near the top of the heap. If anyone hasn't checked out Delphi's A2 forum recently, I recommend it. Although I'm sorry to see Genie struggling, and the A2 RT here vulnerable to collapse when the new Genie takes root, I'm not a bit pessimistic. Delphi's A2 Forum is growing by leaps and bounds, and promises to be a wonderful on-line home for the future. Max (M.JONES145, CAT1, TOP29, MSG:385/M645;1) >>>>> If you haven't been on Delphi recently, you haven't really been on """"" Delphi. The message traffic in the A2 forum there is really amazing. A2 is #1 in the rankings of *Computing* forums, based upon numbers of posts. Not bad for a "legacy" computer. (PATZ.PIX, CAT1, TOP29, MSG:387/M645;1) >>>>> Currently, there are no Delphi OLR's for the 8 bit Apple II. I """"" know people are working on various forms of one for ProTERM 3.1, including me, but my plate is pretty darned full as is, and ProTERM scripting isn't my favorite thing to do. As far as ProTERM Mac OLR's go, there's ProTERM Mac Messenger, which is extremely well supported. FWIW, navigating Delphi manually is much less painful than navigating Compuserve, for instance, and for a new user, it may even be easier than Genie. It's not easier for me than Genie, but I've been on this system for about ten years. . . Ryan http://www.keystroke.net/~rsuenaga "There's no shortage of windmills to tilt at."--Logan ANSITerm and CoPilot v2.55 (A2LAMP, CAT1, TOP29, MSG:411/M645;1) >>>>> FWIW, a couple of us are working on developing a simple GEM-like """"" OLR. And I mean simple. This will use SNET access with both PT scripts (for going online) and AWKS scripts (for offline work). Eventually, this could be developed further. I said simple, and I do mean that. At this time, the emphasis is on getting online, going to specific forums, posting messages, reading them, posting email and reading it. In the beginning, a lot of configuration will have to be done by hand, but we will include instructions on how to quickly modify things. Because of a feeling of "lack of time" for some, we may or maynot get an UL and DL module finished. But, if one is used to using SNet, it would be easy to work a simple logon script, then dropping to manual in the DAtabase (library). CHunk (CHUNK.S, CAT1, TOP29, MSG:412/M645;1) HP DESKJET BLATANT PLUG I'm looking to upgrade from my ImageWriter II. """"""""""""""""""""""" From past inquiries to this BB, I've been told the HP Deskjet 300 is a good investment. My Apple dealer suggested the Epson 500. I have Apple II, IBM, and Mac hardware, and a shared printer would do me a great service. The Epson has both serial and parallel interfaces, so I could have two computers attached at once, as well as not needing a converter card for the Apple II. Can anyone recommend to me one over the other? Most, if not all, of my printing is Appleworks-related; do I want a laser or inkjet printer? What is the difference, exactly? -Ken (KEN.GAGNE, CAT12, TOP13, MSG:9/M645;1) >>>>> If you have any intention whatsoever of printing from an Apple II """"" to this Epson printer without getting a parallel card, forget about it. I just checked out the specs on it and it's not an RS 232 compatible serial, but an RS-422 compatible serial, and high speed only. This means that it might work via the 57600 printer port driver, but your chances of getting it to work via the serial port in Prodos 8 are between slim and none, and Slim just got on a bus out of town. There are also no GS/OS printer drivers available for it, so printing from the GS desktop is also a no-go, even if you get a parallel card. I have a Deskjet 310 (older model, been out of production for some time, did a review of it for the final ::sigh:: edition of GS+, pretty similar to the 300), and it works decently with a IIgs. However, to get it to work with a Mac, you'd need to get PowerPrint. > Can anyone recommend to me one over the other? How about a third recommendation: get a Deskjet 340 with Macintosh adapter, a parallel card for your IIgs, and an ABCD auto switching parallel switchbox. This would let you print from MSDOS, OS/2, Windows 3.1X, Windows NT, Windows 95, ProDOS 8, GS/OS, and the MacOS without changing a single cable or flipping a single switch :) > Most, if not all, of my printing is Appleworks-related; do I want a > laser or inkjet printer? What is the difference, exactly? Laser printers are faster, print at higher qualities, and have more expensive initial costs. However, they don't do color. Inkjets have chaper startup costs, very good quality printers, and more expensive continuing costs (i.e. per page, ink for the inkjets cost more than toner for the lasers). They're both pretty good. Ryan (A2LAMP, CAT12, TOP13, MSG:10/M645;1) >>>>> Actually, there are color laser printers but they aren't cheap. You """"" can get an Apple Color LaserWriter 12/660 for about $6000 (yep, that's thousands, not hundreds.) Laser printers are generally much faster than inkjets. I'd say 12 PPM (pages per minute) is the average top speed with lasers, while 4-5 PPM is the average with inkjets. Those are draft (low) quality speeds. Higher quality settings and color will slow down the printing. - Tony (A2.TONY, CAT12, TOP13, MSG:11/M645;1) <<<<< Ryan, thanks for all the recommendations and info! I made two """"" mistakes in my post: first, that previous suggestions in this top leaned toward the Deskjet 340, not 300; and also, my vendor was pushing me toward the Epson 600, not 500. Now you'd mentioned the 500's RS interface is almost entirely incompatible with the Apple II's. Does the same hold true for the 600? Not needing a parallel card would certainly be a benefit. -Ken (KEN.GAGNE, CAT12, TOP13, MSG:12/M645;1) >>>>> > I made two mistakes in my post: first, that previous suggestions """"" > in this top leaned toward the Deskjet 340, not 300; and also, my > vendor was pushing me toward the Epson 600, not 500. Okay; those printers are currently available. > Now you'd mentioned the 500's RS interface is almost entirely > incompatible with the Apple II's. Does the same hold true for the 600? > Not needing a parallel card would certainly be a benefit. The Epson 600 is per their web site (gack; Epson's web site is one of the most un-usable web sites in the history of the universe. . . ) using about the same serial interface as the 500. Bottom line: you'll need either a parallel card or a serial to parallel interface to use it with an Apple IIgs, and even then, it won't do anything but be a paperweight with a GS/OS application, unless someone's willing to write drivers for it. OTOH, the Deskjet 340 is portable, reasonably priced, small, will do color and black and white, and is compatible with the Apple II, Macintosh, and Intel-type machines right out of the box. I recommended one of these to Cindy Adams when she was looking for a portable printer for use with her Powerbook sight unseen because I used one of its predecessors and found it to be a fine printer. I got a chance to use it at KFest this past summer and found it =better= than I ever imagined. I will buy one of these for my own use soon, I was so impressed by it. EVERYONE: If you're going to buy an inkjet printer for use with the Apple IIgs, and you buy anything -but- a Hewlett Packard inkjet, particularly ones listed in the Deskjet stack as known to work with the Apple IIgs, you are setting yourself up for a rather large amount of heartache. We have two wonderful sets of GS/OS drivers for use with these printers as well as a couple of dedicated vendors that produce them, a freeware HyperStudio stack that discusses setting them up, and a wealth of knowledge on how to use them. If you buy an Epson Stylus or Apple Stylewriter (other than the original), you'll be left with no GS/OS drivers and very few (if any) users who have experience with interfacing them in terms of both hardware and software to an Apple IIgs. While Epson and Apple make excellent printers, HP printers are at least as good. I work in a company that exclusively uses HP printers, and I have bought no printer for myself other than HP for the past four years, with absolutely no complaints whatsoever. The preceeding Blatant Plug was brought to you with no financial rewards at stake whatsoever (no, I don't own HP stock, I just love the printers :) Ryan http://www.keystroke.net/~rsuenaga "There's no shortage of windmills to tilt at."--Logan ANSITerm and CoPilot v2.55 (A2LAMP, CAT12, TOP13, MSG:13/M645;1) >>> WHAT'S NEW <<< """""""""""""""""" MARINETTI ARRIVES LATE, BUT READY Just a quick update regarding the """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" release date of Marinetti. Rather than make something up, I should just quote from the Marinetti Home Page at http://www.zip.com.au/~kashum/marinetti/ as it should explain everything... > 19th August 1997 > > I was hoping to have Marinetti released a week or two after KFest '97 > but that hasn't turned out to be the case. Unfortunately, my main ISP, > "Zip Internet Professionals" has been hit with a spate of denial of > service attacks. > > Fortunately, a number of other ISPs and federal agencies are now > involved, and are close to finding the culprit. There is a brief > description of the problem at: > > http://www.zip.com.au/announcements/attack.shtml > > A log of attacks can be found at: > > http://www.zip.com.au/news/technews.shtml > > I have accounts with other ISPs, but I can't really afford their > online charges for testing Marinetti, especially when it is freeware, > so unfortunately we'll have to wait until the scumbag either gives > up, is caught, or preferrably has his bollocks chopped off (appropriate > wording changes if female). > > For this reason, I've also added a URL reminder service for when this > page is updated. Feel free to subscribe at the bottom of this page. > > As far as project completion goes, the documentation and sample > applications are all ready to go. The only thing left to do is add one > particular feature to the TCP logic, and it's out the door. When Zip > comes back online, I only need a few days to finish it up. Regards, Richard (RICHARD.B, CAT28, TOP27, MSG:15/M645;1) >>>>> I talked to a techie at my ISP last night and he said that they do """"" SLIP, so I'm ready for TCP/IP. It turns out that he used to have a IIgs and was VERY amazed when I told him what I need SLIP for. I also just happened to mention SIS too. Apple II Forever! Cindy (CINDY.A, CAT28, TOP27, MSG:17/M645;1) >>>>> Out of curiosity, I looked in my dictionary to see if the word """"" "Marinetti" was in there, and it wasn't. So, until I can check an encyclopedia, I'll just have to assume that it's some sort of odd reference to where I live....Marin County, California ;-) Or, if that assumption is incorrect and there's another explanation about the name, I'd be interested in hearing it. Oh...in light of this current discussion, the dictionary is the "American Heritage Dictionary"...so that must explain it. Please enlighten us backward Colonials about what the word means in the King's English. Who knows? Maybe it's a British brand of frozen gourmet kidney pie, or some type of Banger, or even a type of beer that's served at room temperature ;-) Joe (JOE.KOHN, CAT28, TOP27, MSG31/M645;1) >>>>> Webster defines Marinetti as an Italian poet, (Emilio) Filippo """"" Tommaso, 1876-1944. - Tony (A2.TONY, CAT28, TOP27, MSG:32/M645;1) My gosh. I would have never ever imagined that Richard Bennett had an interest in poetry. But, in that case, let me dedicate a lamerick (as opposed to a real limerick) to Richard... There once was a man named Marinetti who was honored at Kfest with confetti he got us on the net but I'll offer a bet that Richard's TCP/IP isn't quite ready. (JOE.KOHN, CAT28, TOP27, MSG:34/M645;1) <<<<< Well, you got the last line wrong Joe... """"" (RICHARD.B, CAT28, TOP27, MSG:38/M645;1) >>>>> If at first you don't succeed... """"" There once was a Cdev named Marinetti that was released once it was ready. It lets IIGSers surf the net and I think it's a safe bet that we'll be breaking out the confetti. (JOE.KOHN, CAT28, TOP27, MSG:41/M645;1) MIKE ON THE STATUS OF GSOFT Just to fill in the gaps, here's the current """"""""""""""""""""""""""" status of GSoft: Everything is done for the alpha software except parameter passing for records and pointers, some clean-up for records and pointers, and the tool interface (which requires support of record and pointer parameters.) After that, I'll put together beta packages and brief documentation. Watch for those here. I'll be beta testing as I finish the manuals (about 1000 pages all together, I expect) and will release once the manuals are done, the bug reports become few or non-existant from beta testers, and I have a chance to review the alpha version of the language for possible additions. That's all going to take some time, and this isn't where my money comes from. That's why it's hard to pin me down to a schedule. If I could work on it full time, I'd say the end of September, but I can't. I'll probably just spend weekends on it. Mike Westerfield (BYTEWORKS, CAT31, TOP19, MSG:29/M645;1) >>>>> Do we know how much GSoft will cost? I'd like to place my order """"" ASAP, so I won't forget to when it becomes available. :) -Ken (KEN.GAGNE, CAT31, TOP19, MSG:30/M645;1) >>>>> Mike's handout at KFest had it priced at $60 """"" Also mentioned were: Learn to Program in GSoft BASIC $50 Toolbox Programming in GSoft BASIC $75 According to Mike, The Byte Works will not be taking any advance payment for these items. We will have to wait until they are ready for release. Development of GSoft will take place as time permits. Based on his other work (HyperLogo support for HyperStudio Mac and Windows), it is likely that GSoft would be released at the end of this year. But of course, Mike has the final say :) (E.WAGNER10, CAT31, TOP19, MSG:31/M645;1) <<<<< First, let me point out that even pricing is not final. It won't be """"" until I've mastered the disks and have a final page count for the manual. That said, the prices Erick posted are the ones that we've been kicking around. I don't think they will be higher. As Erick said, I'm not taking orders. I'm nervous enough about talking about the product before it's finished; there's no way I'm going to start taking orders before shipping is imminent. I'll try and keep all of you informed, but I don't want to make things sound more firm than they are at this point. Mike Westerfield (BYTEWORKS, CAT31, TOP19, MSG:32/M645;1) GNO/ME: THE REBIRTH The following message was posted on Delphi. It is """"""""""""""""""" being reposted here by request. 677 11-AUG 14:04 General Programming RE: GNO/ME (Re: Msg 431) From: GLYNREADE To: ALL X-Sender: bazyar@hypermall.com Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 20:55:17 -0600 To: gdr@myrias.com Subject: The End (and new Beginning) of GNO/ME As the man behind Procyon Enterpsises Inc., a long-time Apple IIGS developer and one of the last commercial developers for the platform, I regret to announce the end to sales of my first product, the GNO Multitasking Environment (GNO/ME). With my last distributor, EGO Systems, closing its doors, I cannot justify the time and expense of continuing to produce the software. I also didn't feel it was fair to the customers to continue to charge them for the product, when I would be unable to support them in the manner I would like, due to my intense involvement in my new ISP business. However, instead of simply stopping sales of GNO and letting the software wander into oblivion, I am placing GNO into "freeware" status, and I am also making available all source code to the 2.0.4 version to the public and the development community. I will still sell printed manuals to anyone who wants one, for $20 or so, but this is just to cover printing and shipping costs. Purchasing a manual will not entitle the buyer to support from me of GNO/ME. Anyone who paid the normal $89 price to EGO Systems (or to me directly) for GNO *will* continue to receive support from me, and I will rely partly on the help of the "GNO-Devel" list for assistance in this support. Speaking of that, the GNO-Devel list is headed by Devin Reade, and its members are programmers who have the time and devotion to continuing to develop the GNO system. To their capable hands I leave the sotware. The first task of this group is to put together a GNO distribution based on the latest ORCA/C and ORCA/C libraries. Devin will post followup info on csa2g and any inquiries should be directred to him at for the moment. Thank you all for your support in the past of my company and myself, and best wishes to you all for the future! Regards, Jawaid Bazyar President, Procyon Enterprises Inc. President, Interlink Advertising Services Inc. [I would appreciate it if someone would post this message to Genie. -- Devin] (A2.CHARLIE, CAT40, TOP12, MSG:100/M645;1) >>> THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE <<< """"""""""""""""""""""""""""" KFEST '98 DATES RE: KFest '98 dates (Everyone) """"""""""""""" Wow!! What a conference we had last night. Thanks to Dave's simulbot, we had KFesters in Genie's A2, Delphi A2, and Delphi A2Pro. But just in case you were one of the few people that missed it, I announced the dates for KFest '98 - Ten Years After. :) And since I'm sometimes a nice person, I will share them here, although I'm tempted to hold off another few days just to build up the tension. :) July 22-26, 1998 Whew!! Now you know and you can start planning. We will be giving out more details as the time gets closer, but for now, mark your calendar, tell your boss, tell your significant other, and plan on being there. Cindy cindyadams@delphi.com - - - - GO COM POW or GO COM A2 Posted by ProTERM Mac Messenger (CINDY.A, CAT2, TOP46, MSG:7/M645;1) >>> MESSAGE SPOTLIGHT <<< """"""""""""""""""""""""" Category 28, Topic 19 Message 315 Sat Aug 30, 1997 G.SCHREURS1 [Greg] at 08:12 EDT If you are having trouble with SPAM, try this URL: http://www.iemmc.org/ This organzation claims to be the official organization of SPAMMERS who want to be responsible. They will put your name on some filter list that seems to be used by the majority of the SPAM Kings. THIS WORKED WONDERS FOR ME at the office. My spam there dropped 80 to 90%. I went from 10 or 15 per day down to one or two. I was desperate so I tried this and it WORKED! The only SPAM I have left at work is from the REAL slime balls of spam and most of those are easily deleted now. I still don't get any SPAM here on Genie or on Delphi and I have used both those accounts for mail lists, internet mail and some very occasional cruising. I guess there is just no explaining SPAM. -=+ Greg Schreurs +=- [*][*][*] While on Genie, do you spend most of your time downloading files? If so, you may be missing out some excellent information in the Bulletin Board area. The messages listed above only scratch the surface of what's available and waiting for you in the bulletin board area. If you are serious about your Apple II, the GenieLamp staff strongly urge you to give the bulletin board area a try. There are literally thousands of messages posted from people like you from all over the world. [EOA] [PDQ]////////////////////////////// PD_QUICKVIEW / ///////////////////////////////// Yours For The Asking """""""""""""""""""" by Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. [A2LAMP] Program Name: Marinetti Filename: MARINETTI.BXY Program Number: 30633 File Size: 44,800 bytes Program Type: Control Panel (CDev) Authors: Richard Bennett Version Reviewed: 1.0b1 (15 Sep 1997) File Type: freeware with restrictions Requirements: Apple IIgs runnning System 6.0.1; 50k of boot volume disk space; 30K of free RAM; modem; Internet Service Provider with SLIP dial-up connection AT LAST, THE FUTURE IS HERE _Marinetti_ was the name of an Italian poet """"""""""""""""""""""""""" of the earlier part of this century, but it's also the name of the most exciting piece of new software that's come to the Apple IIgs in years: a Control Panel that will bring the venerable IIgs up to speed with the rest of the computing world, providing TCP/IP (Transmission Control Protocol/Internet Protocol--say "Tee Sea Pea Eye Pea") compatibility for the first time. Demonstrated to the public for the first time by its author, Australian Richard Bennett, at KansasFest 1997, _Marinetti_ is available now, in a public beta form, from Genie A2, Delphi A2, and the _Marinetti_ home page (http://www.zip.com.au/~kashum/_Marinetti_). It is freeware, but with certain restrictions regarding its distribution. It also must be registered with the author--in its unregistered form, a rather inconvenient dialog box reminding the user of the need to register pops up on a very frequent basis. The _Marinetti_ archive itself comes with the Control Panel, some short but vital documentation, and _Telnet_, a simple telnet application that will work in concert with _Marinetti_. Also required are an Apple IIgs running System 6.0.1, a rather small amount of free boot drive space and RAM, a modem, and an account on an Internet Service Provider which allows SLIP (Serial Line Interface Protocol) dial up connections. Those of you only with access to PPP (Point-to-Point Protocol) dial up connections will need to wait until Richard incorporates support for that into _Marinetti_. Once the registration process is complete, the _Marinetti_ Control Panel is simple but elegant in design. In fact, it incorporates the functions of two separate Control Panels on the Macintosh (_InterSlip_ and _TCP/IP_) into one package. The user needs to supply a set of instructions (commonly called a "script") for starting and terminating a connection with their ISP. These scripts instruct _Marinetti_ to dial the phone number of the ISP, transmit the user's username and password, and capture the IP address assigned to the user. Unfortunately, unlike similar programs on the Macintosh, _Marinetti_ does not have an "auto-record" mode (similar to that used with _ProTERM_ or _Spectrum_ to have the program "learn" your logons), but the scripting language is very simple and fully documented. [*][*][*] . __ (^) <^> /~ ~\ \-=======_/"\_======-/ \) PD_Q RATING "\. 1 ./" """"""""""" "\._ _ _./" . __ (_____) . __ (^) <^> /~ ~\ (^) <^> /~ ~\ \-=======_/"\_======-/ \) \-=======_/"\_======-/ \) "\. 2 ./" "\. 3 ./" "\._ _ _./" "\._ _ _./" (_____) (_____) . __ . __ (^) <^> /~ ~\ (^) <^> /~ ~\ \-=======_/"\_======-/ \) \-=======_/"\_======-/ \) "\. 4 ./" "\. 5 ./" "\._ _ _./" "\._ _ _./" (_____) (_____) FIVE LAMPS (1-5) PD_Q COMMENTS After figuring out and inputting my scripts, I moved the """"""""""""" cursor on the screen to the "Connect" button and clicked. In a few moments I heard the customary screeching and whistling of my USR Courier modem. Shortly thereafter, I realized my Apple IIgs had successfully connected to my ISP via a SLIP connection--finally, the venerable Apple IIgs was directly connected to the Internet! I started the provided _Telnet_ application, supplied the IP address of Delphi, and soon was in the A2 Forum Conference room, chatting with other Apple II fanatics. They may not have realized it, but I was totally exhilarated--at long last, an error-free TCP/IP connection had me chatting with my long-time friends in a virtual conference room, but instead of using a Macintosh, I was using an Apple IIgs. Marinetti did crash on me a number of times, but one must consider that this is still pre-release software and the bugs are continuing to be worked out. Additionally, while using the supplied Telnet application, one must enter the destination address in its numeric form (such as 199.93.4.68) instead of its alphanumeric alias (delphi.com)--obviously the alphanumeric name is easier to remember. There are currently just a few applications available supporting _Marinetti_, the first of which is the simple _Telnet_ program that came with the _Marinetti_ archive. It works, and offers the intriguing possibilities of multiple concurrent telnet sessions, but offers no file transfer, chat line, or terminal emulation capabilities. It is a simple application meant to get us through the period of time before the current trickle of _Marinetti_-savvy applications becomes a flood. Already, Ewen Wannop, author of _Spectrum_, has produced an XCMD, known as _TopCat_, which allows _Spectrum 2.1_ to serve as a telnet client (although without support for file transfer or terminal emulation). While the _Spectrum Internet Suite_ World Wide Web browser does not currently work with _Marinetti_, there is hope it will be modified to do such. In the meantime, _SIS_ author Geoff Weiss has kept himself busy offering _Marinetti_-savvy applications that provide the Whois, Finger, and Ping functions. Many more applications are needed, including Internet Relay Chat, File Transfer Protocol, and Electronic Mail clients. Weekend programmers experienced in Applesoft BASIC eagerly await the pending release of _GSoft_ BASIC from Byteworks, which will provide a simple-yet-powerful interface to _Marinetti_. While we await these applications--and others that only the imagination limits--we can do so secure in the knowledge that the future has arrived for users of the most powerful of the Apple II line. The poet _Marinetti_ may have died in 1944, but the Control Panel _Marinetti_ (and its author, Richard Bennett) will make sure the Apple II stays alive well into the next millennium. RATING SYSTEM """"""""""""" 5 LAMPS.........What? You haven't downloaded this program YET? 4 LAMPS.........Innovative or feature rich, take a look! 3 LAMPS.........Good execution, stable program. 2 LAMPS.........Gets the job done. 1 LAMP..........A marginal download. 0 ..............GenieLamp Turkey Award! [EOA] [BAN]////////////////////////////// FILE BANDWAGON / ///////////////////////////////// Top 10 Files for July """"""""""""""""""""" by Douglas Cuff [D.CUFF] This feature lists the ten most popular files for the month. To give files a chance to seek their own levels, no files will be added to the list until they've been in place at least a month. This month, we look at the files uploaded 1-31 July 1997. This isn't the Academy Awards ceremony, folks; it's more like the People's Choice Awards (both of which are trademarked, by the way). The Top 10 doesn't necessarily tell you what's new and interesting--what files _you_ might find interesting--it simply tells you what files have been downloaded a lot--what other people found interesting! This month, GenieLamp A2 occupies three spots on the list, but we're just counting that one file. Also, two different version of Crock O' Gold count as just one file. We hope this explains why there are 13 files on the Top 10 list. Something else very interesting happened in July: the A2Pro library was merged with the A2Pro library--over 1700 files--and meant that some of the "old" files were new to some people. Two of the newly-merged A2Pro files actually made it into the Top 10 for July! File # Filename Bytes DLs Short description ------ --------------- ------ --- ------------------------------------- 28883 HIERARCHIC.BXY 24192 92 Hierarchic 1.6.3 (official release) 30594 ALMP9707TXT.BXY 52096 45 GenieLamp A2 for July 1997 TXT 30596 SLXSECURITY.BXY 16572 43 SlixSecurity child-protection NDA 30190 COGV11.BXY 232320 42 Crock O' Gold - Delphi Messenger 30606 MARS.SUNSET.BXY 2560 38 A sunset on Mars 28882 CYRUSHIPC2.BXY 1153920 38 A fantastic Paintworks animation 30593 ALMP9707AWP.BXY 57856 37 GenieLamp A2 for July 1997 AWP 30607 COGV13.BXY 234240 35 Offline Reader for Spectrum/Delphi 30619 ANAGRAMHELP.BXY 11776 35 Anagram Helper v1.1 30397 MARCEL.BXY 47488 23 MIME parser, B64, BH4, QP decoder 29522 GSBUG.1.6.BXY 315008 17 GSBug v1.6 Final 30592 ALMP9707.ASC 97040 16 GenieLamp A2 for July 1997 ASCII 30615 EAMON.240.BXY 56744 15 40/80-col. P8 "The Heart of Gold" HIERARCHIC.BXY Hierarchic by Etienne Petitjean and Richard Bennett is a """""""""""""" CDev (formerly an Init) that allows your Apple IIgs to have hierarchical menus. In other words, when you pull down a menu, items listed in that column can have sub-columns. Under "Save As", you could have a sub-menu that allows "Save As Text", "Save as AppleWorks WP", "Save as Teach", and so on. This is v1.6.3 of Hierarchic. Freeware. ALMP9707TXT.BXY, ALMP9707AWP.BXY, and ALMP9707.ASC Three editions of the """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" July issue of GenieLamp A2 (edited by Ryan Suenaga) grace our Top 10 list this month--text file, AppleWorks word processor file, and plain, unpacked text for other platforms. All editions feature the same articles--a review of Hyper Quarterly, and a focus on KansasFest in Hey Mister Postman and in the second annual appearance of the Accidental Tourist at KansasFest. Freeware. SLXSECURITY.BXY SlixSecurity by Bret "Slixter" Victor a desk """"""""""""""" accessory/Finder extension that allows you to protect your Apple IIgs with a password and restricts unsuccessful users to one subdirectory on your hard drive. You can optionally prevent copying and renaming within that subdirectory, control whether or not the trash can, desk accessories, or Finder extras are available. Great for parents whose kids know not what they do when they select "Format". Shareware ($10) COGV11.BXY and COGV13.BXY Crock O' Gold by Ewen Wannop (based on scripts """"""""""""""""""""""""" by Kit Graham and Gary Utter) is an offline message reader for Spectrum v2.1 and Delphi. (That's D-E-L-P-H-I, not G-E-N-I-E.) It collects messages, lets you read them, gives you a chance to write replies, and handles posting the replies too. It also allows uploading and downloading of files. (Note: These file contains v1.1 and v1.3; v1.4 was the most recent version at press time--file #30637, COG14.BXY. Also, v1.0 appeared in the Top 10 list for May/June.) Freeware. MARS.SUNSET.BXY A 16-color APF format SHR graphic of a sunset as seen """"""""""""""" from the surface of Mars, provided by the Mars Pathfinder. Freeware. CYRUSHIPC2.BXY A detailed animation converted from a .FLI animation by """""""""""""" Cyrus Lee. This large (1200K) file shows the cockpit closing on a spaceship. The point of view changes and the ship lifts off, turns around, and rockets out of the hangar. Freeware. ANAGRAMHELP.BXY Anagram Helper by Doug Cuff is a simple tool/game to help """"""""""""""" solve anagrams. It comes with 20+ anagrams for you to unscramble. If you enjoy the syndicated "Jumble" puzzle or other word games, you'll like this. Freeware. MARCEL.BXY Marcel by Richard Bennett is an 8-bit application to decode """""""""" such schemes as BinHex and Mime. Note that this is still in beta form, which means unfinished and not fully tested. This file recently arrived in A2 from A2Pro. Freeware. GSBUG.1.6.BXY GSBug v1.6 is a debugging tool in an Init, and it comes """"""""""""" with a tutorial to teach you how to use it. This archive contains other goodies such as five debugging Classic Desk Accessories and Init Restarter v2.0.1, which is useful for non-programmers and programmers alike. This file recently arrived in A2 from A2Pro. You can download and use this archive freely, it's still copyrighted Apple Computer software and you must not distribute it. EAMON.240.BXY Eamon is a text-adventure system, and this particular """"""""""""" module, "The Heart of Gold" by Frank Kunze is loosely based on _The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy_ by Douglas Adams. Rated 6.5 out of 10. Freeware. [EOA] [RWA]////////////////////////////// THE REAL WORLD APPLE / ///////////////////////////////// Connecting to the World Outside """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" by Peter C. Brickell [P.BRICKELL] >>> PART 6: THE ANNUNCIATORS - ACT 2 <<< """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" SCALING UP Last time we looked at the way the Apple II can send a tiny """""""""" signal out into the real world by means of the annunciator lines on the 16-pin game port. But before we use this small signal it must be amplified to a useful level for operating an electrical device. The signal must also be electrically isolated from this device to protect the computer and the user in case of a component failure. As I mentioned last time, I am going to describe how to build such an isolating and amplifying circuit using a project from Vernier Software as a basis. Such a circuit can be found in the Optically Isolated Circuits project in "How to Build a Better Mousetrap" or in the Smart Battery Charger project in "Chaos in the Laboratory". I have provided Vernier's address at the end of this article for those who wish to get a copy of these books. In this installment I will look in general at the components that are needed and what they do in the interface circuit. In the next article, I will go into more detail on specific components and how to connect them. OVERVIEW The circuit that I am about to describe fulfills all the """""""" required functions of an interface circuit between the Apple II's annunciator line signals, and the demands of a real world electrical device. However, this circuit can only operate devices which use fairly low voltage direct current (DC). It can not drive a household 120 VAC device and should never be used for such directly. In the next installment I will discuss some additional interfacing devices which are required to run high voltage AC devices. For now, the limits of this circuit are dictated by the rating of the transistors used in the circuit. To be on the safe side, one should not use it to operate anything using more than 12 volts DC. This provides a good margin of safety for all the components. The circuit provides 3 levels of voltage and current amplification and one stage of isolation. The circuit is called an Optically Isolated Switch. The name comes from the fact that the transmission of the on/off signal from the game port to the real world occurs by means of a beam of light at one stage, with no direct electrical connection between the two sides of the circuit (low power and high power). The actual device for this optical transmission is an optoisolator chip. It is the optoisolator which provides the electrical isolation of the circuit. The amplification is accomplished using one TTL chip and two transistors. Let's see how this is layed out. Follow along with a Vernier book if you have one at hand. THE NITTY-GRITTY OF AN OPTICALLY ISOLATED CIRCUIT To start with, the """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" on/off signal from the game port is fed to an inverter IC. The function of this chip is to provide enough current to operate the optoisolator. The game port signal should not even be used to run the tiny light emitting diode (LED) in the optoisolator. It is safer (for the computer at least) to use the inverter between the two. The inverter is capable of providing more current than the game port itself. When the game port annunciator turns on, it causes the inverter to conduct electricity between two of its pins. These pins are wired in such a way as to complete the circuit to the optoisolator's LED when the inverter is switched on. Put simply, the annunciator turns on the inverter, which in turn switches on the LED in the optoisolator. The optoisolator is simply an LED and a phototransistor assembled in one chip. When the LED lights up on one side of the circuit, it illuminates a phototransistor on the other side. The phototransistor will only conduct electricity when light is striking it. In this way it functions as a remote on/off switch operated only by light. There is no electrical connection at all between the LED and the phototransistor - only a beam of light connects them. This is how the chip provides a very high degree of electrical isolation between the low power and high power sides. The phototransistor in the optoisolator is still a very low power device and so requires a lot of amplification before real work can be done with its signal. It is limited to a few milliamps of current at most. When it turns on in response to light from the LED shining on it, this small current is fed to the base connection of a small signal transistor. The signal transistor is similar to the phototransistor in the optoisolator except that it is turned on by a small electrical signal at its base connection, rather than by light shining on it. When this small electrical current is present at the base, the transistor conducts a larger current between its two other connections (collector and emitter). So in this way, a small electrical current switches on a much larger electrical current. The signal transistor used in this circuit is capable of switching currents of several hundred milliamps with only a few milliamps being fed to its base from the phototransistor. This few hundred milliamps is still a relatively small current, but is enough to switch a full size LED on and off or to turn on a much larger transistor - a power transistor. This is what we do with it. The power transistor works in exactly the same way as the signal transistor except that it requires a larger current at its base to switch on. This current comes from the output of the signal transistor. The power transistor can, in turn, conduct a much larger current between its collector and emitter connections. The one used in this circuit is rated for up to 5 amps. Now this is enough current to run some real world devices. For example a power transistor can be used to switch on a mechanical relay switch, a DC motor, a horn, a DC light bulb, or an electromagnet. Now the possibilities for your Apple's tiny annunciator output begin to open up! So to review, here is the sequence of events which occur at the speed of light in our optically isolated switch. 1) Your program turns on the Apple's annunciator output. 2) The annunciator turns on the inverter chip. 3) The inverter switches on the optoisolator's LED. 4) The optoisolator's LED turns on the optoisolator's phototransistor. 5) The phototransistor switches on the signal transistor. 6) The signal transistor turns on the power transistor. 7) The power transistor turns on a real world DC device of your choosing. .....and the hip bone is connected to the thigh bone and the ..... Oops, sorry I got carried away! Seriously, this rather lengthy series of steps allows your line of programming to switch something in your world on or off. Better yet, it allows a few lines of your program to have the Apple decide for you when to switch something on or off! Now you have the basis of real computer interfacing. All this is possible without the need for expensive cards or programs for your Apple. Even with new parts from a retail electronics store, an optically isolated circuit can be built for under $20. If you have access to electronics discount, mail order, or surplus stores your optically isolated circuit can be built for as little as $5. By putting four identical circuits on one circuit board, you can switch four DC devices on and off simultaneously, since the Apple has four independent annunciator lines. Pretty impressive stuff! Once again though, please remember that this circuit is limited to low voltage direct current systems. Never connect this type of circuit directly to 120 volt house alternating current. Destruction of the circuit and your computer (and possibly you!) would be the result. So now you have the secret of making your Apple do some real work for you. Next time I will be getting into some details of particular parts that are used in the circuits and the crucial things you need to know for wiring them up. For those who may be interested in the Vernier interfacing books that I have frequently referred to, here is their information: Vernier Software 8565 S.W. Beaverton-Hillsdale Hwy. Portland, OR 97225-2429 U.S.A. (503) 297-5317 http://www.teleport.com/~vernier Until next time, here's wishing you more pleasant Apple interfacing dreams! //////////////////////////////////////// Genie_QWIK_QUOTE //// / "Press any key... no, no, no, NOT THAT ONE!" / //////////////////////////////////////////// J.SHAVER //////// [EOA] [LOG]////////////////////////////// LOG OFF / ///////////////////////////////// GenieLamp Information """"""""""""""""""""" o COMMENTS: Contacting GenieLamp o GenieLamp STAFF: Who Are We? GenieLamp Information GenieLamp A2 is published on the first of every """"""""""""""""""""" month in library 55 of Genie's A2 RoundTable (page 45;3). GenieLamp is also distributed on CrossNet and commercial BBS systems worldwide. o To reach GenieLamp on Internet send mail to genielamp@genie.com or to reach GenieLamp _A2_, send mail to a2lamp@genie.com o Back issues of GenieLamp A2 are available in the A2 RoundTable Library #55 on page 645 (m645;3). o We welcome and respond to all E-mail. 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